DONE - GOING TO JAIL! -- Official: Some Clinton emails 'too damaging' to release'

[SmokeALib]

So what about all the emails that pantsuit already wiped from her server? Is that any different than Nixon shredding documents?

 

[billyerock1991]

your implication here is you're trying to imply, in a sarcastic way, by saying to us are you saying she never received classified emails ... we know she received classified emails ... we've never said she didn't ... what we are saying is her private server never received classified emails marked classified

Why is it relevant what they were marked?

... because the way classified emails are set up... that's what you keep missing ... your whole debate here is based on after the fact .... after she received the emails the government decided to make them classified ... what we are saying is you can't hold some one responsible for something that was doe after the fact

Let's clarify......are you saying that the particular information was not considered to be sensitive and needing protection until recently, or that there were no markings on the particular format/messages involved? The question is NOT "when" the material was classified, but "when should it have been" marked classified?

I'm saying that there were no markings on the particular format/message involved

Which is entirely irrelevant as to whether she committed a crime or not.

I not 100% sure ... if she is receiving a classified document on her private server was consider illegal ... when you read the law it doesn't say you can't ... what I understand it to mean is, if her server is hacked and its not a government protected server then she can be held responsible ... the fact that it was never hacked, I believe, the law that was written at the time, never said its a crime for you to store it there ... it says to me its only a crime if you don't protect that email

 

[billyerock1991]

thats my understanding

 

[billyerock1991]

So what about all the emails that pantsuit already wiped from her server? Is that any different than Nixon shredding documents?

if you pay attention, and by your post here it says you haven't paid any attention ... the FBI said that her server was never wiped ... what hillary did was erase her private emails... all the rest that was on the server that wasn't consider private was kept ... what the FBI did was to recover her erased emails ... so get your terminology correct here

 

[Care4all]

So what about all the emails that pantsuit already wiped from her server? Is that any different than Nixon shredding documents?

YOU ARE WAY BEHIND on the Story, back in September of last year it was determined that absolutely NOTHING was WIPED from her server, she simply deleted her email that was considered private emails from her computer, but they were NOT WIPED FROM HER SERVER.

The FBI HAS HAD EVERYTHING ever said and done on her server,

nothing was wiped clean.

 

[billyerock1991]

So what about all the emails that pantsuit already wiped from her server? Is that any different than Nixon shredding documents?

YOU ARE WAY BEHIND on the Story, back in September of last year it was determined that absolutely NOTHING was WIPED from her server, she simply deleted her email that was considered private emails from her computer, but they were NOT WIPED FROM HER SERVER.

The FBI HAS HAD EVERYTHING ever said and done on her server,

nothing was wiped clean.

why is it they keep missing that

 

[Iceweasel]

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email
Hillary Clinton’s acolytes are racing to dismiss the latest allegations that classified material was cut and pasted into her emails, but this isn’t some mere oversight that can be hand-waved away with a shrug and a sad trombone honk. One doesn’t spill classified material into an unclassified system accidentally or through mere negligence. What these new revelations show—if they are true—is conduct that was conscious, intentional, and felonious as all get-out.

In basic and open-source terms, there is no one big computer system where innocuous, unclassified material shares space with classified material. They are kept on physically separate computer systems: there is the unclassified system, and there are several classified systems. They don’t connect, unless someone chooses to intentionally connect them.

When there is spillage of classified material into unclassified systems, all hell breaks loose. Well, at least it does when it’s not a friend of the administration doing the spilling.

Filching Information from a Secure Facility
Let’s take a look at what it would take to make this happen. Hillary Clinton refused to use a secure system. She wanted to use her own system because she could control it and unlawfully shield it from the prying eyes of the American people and their representatives. Her minions therefore had to deliberately act to circumvent the rules and procedures put in place to prevent people from doing exactly what Clinton wanted done.

First, someone would have to enter a secure facility—usually called a SCIF—to access a classified document on one of the secure systems. These terminals are behind locked doors with access controls and multiple security measures. You have to have the clearance to enter, and you leave your Android, iPad, laptop, and everything else with a chip outside.

These terminals are behind locked doors with access controls and multiple security measures.
Inside, you access the terminal and review the document you are working with. There are myriad warnings that you are viewing classified material. It is no surprise. So, Hillary’s minion would be knowingly examining classified information when he or she decided to break the law and send it to Hillary’s unclassified, private email server.

There are several ways one could move the classified material, each almost too horrific to contemplate to anyone who has worked with sensitive materials. You need to understand that even discussing this gives professionals the shakes. There are a lot of serious things in the national defense world, but nothing is taken more seriously than classified material. People can and do go to jail for screwing up. Well, at least the little people do.

How to Get the Secure Information Out
One way would be to download it to a portable medium, like a thumb drive. Leaving aside that you can’t bring a thumb drive anywhere near a SCIF, the USB ports on the computers are likely deactivated. You would need a technician to somehow work around that, which is in itself horrifying. The easier way would be to print the material out so you could take it somewhere else and either type or scan it into a new file on an unclassified system.

You would need a technician to somehow work around that, which is in itself horrifying.
Of course, printing classified material and taking it out of the SCIF are themselves huge violations even before you get to not only reproducing it but introducing it to an unclassified system. So now the minion has contaminated the unclassified system, but there are still more steps to take and rules to break.

The minion could type text into the email, but that seems unlikely. More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

Enemy Intelligence Cackles In Glee
In any case, this is not hard to show. You take the text of the suspect emails and compare them to the relevant classified documents, and if they are identical or substantially the same, you have a breach. Let’s be really clear, because Clinton has tried to be anything but: classified material does not somehow become unclassified simply because it is no longer marked due to minions cutting and pasting the text out from between the classification markings. That is not a thing.

Classified material does not somehow become unclassified simply because it is no longer marked.
So, Hillary gets the email, reads it outside of a SCIF, and, unless she is transcendently stupid, sees that it is sensitive material. Now, she did fail the District of Columbia bar examination, so she is no rocket scientist, but it is utterly implausible she did not understand that this material should not ever be on a server that some start-up runs out of a bathroom in Denver.

It’s equally implausible that enemy intelligence agencies also failed to recognize the nature of this material. There’s no reasonable doubt that they pillaged through it in real time.

18 United States Code Section 1924 reads:

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term ‘classified information of the United States’ means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

If these new revelations are true, then it appears Hillary Clinton systematically conspired with her minions to transmit classified information from secure systems to her unsecure server. It’s not merely hard to see how she is not guilty of multiple violations of Section 1924. It’s impossible.

Ok, take a deep breath, and clear your brain of any bias.

Then read this article and all the right wing articles you have read, again.

Are there any FACTS in these articles like the one above about the Hillary case in your articles or are THEY ALL JUST partisan SPECULATIONS and bull crud?

this guy in the right wing rag OPINION PIECE above, on his entire article speculates that someone in the State Department, went in to the top secret server, and took top secret information off of it and then put this top secret information on to the .gov email system which is unclassified....this is ALL OP speculating without thought or anything resembling thought or facts.,,,and the story this guy MADE UP, and Briebart also made a similar story, and Newsmax also made a similar story, has nothing at all to do with the FACTS that are known.

One being that ALL OFFICIALS and ALL research done by officials in her case, have SPECIFICALLY STATED that NONE of the emails Hillary Clinton received or sent, had been classified top secret, at the time she received them.... they even double checked dates..... as example when it was said she had top secret information on 2 emails, that was reported by the IG to the intelligence community, and started the FBI investigation on her server which required the FBI to secure her server in govt protection.... The IG turned over these supposed top secret emails, believing that these emails were Top Secret emails, AT THE TIME they were sent and received....especially one of them....everyone was in an uproar about it....

BUT, when they researched the email which they were certain was on their TOP SECRET SYSTEM, they found out that it was NOT made TOP SECRET and put on their TOP SECRET system until days after the email was received by her... They found out, it was NOT taken from their top secret system because it was not even on their top secret system until days or weeks later, they apparently DATE when things go in to their TS system and become TOP SECRET.

So it turned out that the TOP SECRET info that the intelligence community believed was retrieved from their TOP SECRET server, was actually information that was gathered from PUBLIC SOURCES and NOT their TOP SECRET SYSTEM.

Government officials have stated on the record several times now, that the emails received and sent to Hillary that are top secret now, were NOT CLASSIFIED Top Secret at the time she received them....

Got that? Not just that they were not "marked", but they were NOT TOP SECRET at the time she received this info....

So then your right wing rags went in to a frenzy saying that Hillary and others with top secret clearance should have known better and should have classified this info THEMSELVES.....remember all of those articles in the right wing media harping on that...? At least 20 of those articles have been regurgitated on this site with thread after thread on it....

NOW TAKE A FEW MORE DEEP BREATHS.

The officials are saying that NONE of her emails were Top Secret at the time she received them...WHAT EXACTLY does that mean?

WHAT this means is that NONE of the emails in the 7 NOW top secret email chains that are NOW being classified as TOP SECRET,

drum role.............

WERE NOT ON THE GOVERNMENT'S TOP SECRET SERVER at the time they were sent and received.

Sooooooo, what does this mean in the big picture?

THIS MEANS................drum roll again..............

NO ONE, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE

COULD HAVE TAKEN AND COPIED THEM OFF OF THE govt's TOP SECRET server when the emails were sent to her...

BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ON THEIR TOP SECRET SERVER at the time the emails were sent....

THERE was NOTHING to "Steal" from the Top Secret Sever system, as the author of this piece of crap article that makes up this entire story that you all bought in to.

So this ENTIRE ARTICLE is just partisan HYPE and BULL CRAP..... and can not be true in any way.

You do get that now don't you?

LOL, go tell the FBI, Toots. Tell them it's all a vast right wing conspiracy. And I didn't see your spin on how she did get classified intel.

 

[billyerock1991]

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email
Hillary Clinton’s acolytes are racing to dismiss the latest allegations that classified material was cut and pasted into her emails, but this isn’t some mere oversight that can be hand-waved away with a shrug and a sad trombone honk. One doesn’t spill classified material into an unclassified system accidentally or through mere negligence. What these new revelations show—if they are true—is conduct that was conscious, intentional, and felonious as all get-out.

In basic and open-source terms, there is no one big computer system where innocuous, unclassified material shares space with classified material. They are kept on physically separate computer systems: there is the unclassified system, and there are several classified systems. They don’t connect, unless someone chooses to intentionally connect them.

When there is spillage of classified material into unclassified systems, all hell breaks loose. Well, at least it does when it’s not a friend of the administration doing the spilling.

Filching Information from a Secure Facility
Let’s take a look at what it would take to make this happen. Hillary Clinton refused to use a secure system. She wanted to use her own system because she could control it and unlawfully shield it from the prying eyes of the American people and their representatives. Her minions therefore had to deliberately act to circumvent the rules and procedures put in place to prevent people from doing exactly what Clinton wanted done.

First, someone would have to enter a secure facility—usually called a SCIF—to access a classified document on one of the secure systems. These terminals are behind locked doors with access controls and multiple security measures. You have to have the clearance to enter, and you leave your Android, iPad, laptop, and everything else with a chip outside.

These terminals are behind locked doors with access controls and multiple security measures.
Inside, you access the terminal and review the document you are working with. There are myriad warnings that you are viewing classified material. It is no surprise. So, Hillary’s minion would be knowingly examining classified information when he or she decided to break the law and send it to Hillary’s unclassified, private email server.

There are several ways one could move the classified material, each almost too horrific to contemplate to anyone who has worked with sensitive materials. You need to understand that even discussing this gives professionals the shakes. There are a lot of serious things in the national defense world, but nothing is taken more seriously than classified material. People can and do go to jail for screwing up. Well, at least the little people do.

How to Get the Secure Information Out
One way would be to download it to a portable medium, like a thumb drive. Leaving aside that you can’t bring a thumb drive anywhere near a SCIF, the USB ports on the computers are likely deactivated. You would need a technician to somehow work around that, which is in itself horrifying. The easier way would be to print the material out so you could take it somewhere else and either type or scan it into a new file on an unclassified system.

You would need a technician to somehow work around that, which is in itself horrifying.
Of course, printing classified material and taking it out of the SCIF are themselves huge violations even before you get to not only reproducing it but introducing it to an unclassified system. So now the minion has contaminated the unclassified system, but there are still more steps to take and rules to break.

The minion could type text into the email, but that seems unlikely. More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

Enemy Intelligence Cackles In Glee
In any case, this is not hard to show. You take the text of the suspect emails and compare them to the relevant classified documents, and if they are identical or substantially the same, you have a breach. Let’s be really clear, because Clinton has tried to be anything but: classified material does not somehow become unclassified simply because it is no longer marked due to minions cutting and pasting the text out from between the classification markings. That is not a thing.

Classified material does not somehow become unclassified simply because it is no longer marked.
So, Hillary gets the email, reads it outside of a SCIF, and, unless she is transcendently stupid, sees that it is sensitive material. Now, she did fail the District of Columbia bar examination, so she is no rocket scientist, but it is utterly implausible she did not understand that this material should not ever be on a server that some start-up runs out of a bathroom in Denver.

It’s equally implausible that enemy intelligence agencies also failed to recognize the nature of this material. There’s no reasonable doubt that they pillaged through it in real time.

18 United States Code Section 1924 reads:

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term ‘classified information of the United States’ means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

If these new revelations are true, then it appears Hillary Clinton systematically conspired with her minions to transmit classified information from secure systems to her unsecure server. It’s not merely hard to see how she is not guilty of multiple violations of Section 1924. It’s impossible.

Ok, take a deep breath, and clear your brain of any bias.

Then read this article and all the right wing articles you have read, again.

Are there any FACTS in these articles like the one above about the Hillary case in your articles or are THEY ALL JUST partisan SPECULATIONS and bull crud?

this guy in the right wing rag OPINION PIECE above, on his entire article speculates that someone in the State Department, went in to the top secret server, and took top secret information off of it and then put this top secret information on to the .gov email system which is unclassified....this is ALL OP speculating without thought or anything resembling thought or facts.,,,and the story this guy MADE UP, and Briebart also made a similar story, and Newsmax also made a similar story, has nothing at all to do with the FACTS that are known.

One being that ALL OFFICIALS and ALL research done by officials in her case, have SPECIFICALLY STATED that NONE of the emails Hillary Clinton received or sent, had been classified top secret, at the time she received them.... they even double checked dates..... as example when it was said she had top secret information on 2 emails, that was reported by the IG to the intelligence community, and started the FBI investigation on her server which required the FBI to secure her server in govt protection.... The IG turned over these supposed top secret emails, believing that these emails were Top Secret emails, AT THE TIME they were sent and received....especially one of them....everyone was in an uproar about it....

BUT, when they researched the email which they were certain was on their TOP SECRET SYSTEM, they found out that it was NOT made TOP SECRET and put on their TOP SECRET system until days after the email was received by her... They found out, it was NOT taken from their top secret system because it was not even on their top secret system until days or weeks later, they apparently DATE when things go in to their TS system and become TOP SECRET.

So it turned out that the TOP SECRET info that the intelligence community believed was retrieved from their TOP SECRET server, was actually information that was gathered from PUBLIC SOURCES and NOT their TOP SECRET SYSTEM.

Government officials have stated on the record several times now, that the emails received and sent to Hillary that are top secret now, were NOT CLASSIFIED Top Secret at the time she received them....

Got that? Not just that they were not "marked", but they were NOT TOP SECRET at the time she received this info....

So then your right wing rags went in to a frenzy saying that Hillary and others with top secret clearance should have known better and should have classified this info THEMSELVES.....remember all of those articles in the right wing media harping on that...? At least 20 of those articles have been regurgitated on this site with thread after thread on it....

NOW TAKE A FEW MORE DEEP BREATHS.

The officials are saying that NONE of her emails were Top Secret at the time she received them...WHAT EXACTLY does that mean?

WHAT this means is that NONE of the emails in the 7 NOW top secret email chains that are NOW being classified as TOP SECRET,

drum role.............

WERE NOT ON THE GOVERNMENT'S TOP SECRET SERVER at the time they were sent and received.

Sooooooo, what does this mean in the big picture?

THIS MEANS................drum roll again..............

NO ONE, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE

COULD HAVE TAKEN AND COPIED THEM OFF OF THE govt's TOP SECRET server when the emails were sent to her...

BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ON THEIR TOP SECRET SERVER at the time the emails were sent....

THERE was NOTHING to "Steal" from the Top Secret Sever system, as the author of this piece of crap article that makes up this entire story that you all bought in to.

So this ENTIRE ARTICLE is just partisan HYPE and BULL CRAP..... and can not be true in any way.

You do get that now don't you?

LOL, go tell the FBI, Toots. Tell them it's all a vast right wing conspiracy. And I didn't see your spin on how she did get classified intel.

its not the issue ... its how she protected the classified intel

 

[g5000]

First things first. Arrest Colin Powell, THEN Hillary Clinton.

I think it would be a real hoot to read Bush Administration emails.

Let's go!

 

[Jackson]

Furthermore, even sge admitted the non-disclosure form made markings moot - she was to treat all documents / info as 'classified', which she did not do. It also stated she should/would know the difference between the classifications of information. Since she had over 1,000 classified documents on her server, 22 being TS, I would say she failed miserably at that ... or just got caught.

FINALLY, after leaving the State Dept to return to the private sector, she was supposed to have turned in ALL classified documents - was not allowed to keep ANY of them. You have to be 'read out of' certain TS programs, and thy explain you may not talk about it, write about it, and you sure can't have any documents about it from that point on. Hillary had 22 such pieces of info on her personal server.

So having over 1,000 pieces of classified on her server is a crime.

again, please cite another case of someone who was indicted for doing the same thing.

Thanks.

Is that the measuring stick that the prosecutor should use to determine if someone should be held to the letter of the law? What if there was no other that had that had broken the rules to beyond Top Secret materials to the degree Clinton had? Just let them go? That isn't how it works. There is a law standing and if it broken, the decision to whether it is a misdemeanor or felony is made and then prosecuted.

 

[hadit]

Furthermore, even sge admitted the non-disclosure form made markings moot - she was to treat all documents / info as 'classified', which she did not do. It also stated she should/would know the difference between the classifications of information. Since she had over 1,000 classified documents on her server, 22 being TS, I would say she failed miserably at that ... or just got caught.

FINALLY, after leaving the State Dept to return to the private sector, she was supposed to have turned in ALL classified documents - was not allowed to keep ANY of them. You have to be 'read out of' certain TS programs, and thy explain you may not talk about it, write about it, and you sure can't have any documents about it from that point on. Hillary had 22 such pieces of info on her personal server.

So having over 1,000 pieces of classified on her server is a crime.

again, please cite another case of someone who was indicted for doing the same thing.

Thanks.

What are you defining as "the same thing?" Do you mean mishandling classified information? Or using a personal server for classified information? How specific do you mean?

There is no evidence of mishandles classified information by Hillary Clinton. Nothing she sent or recieved was marked classified at the time it was sent or received by Secretary Clinton.

Why aren't ya'll asking for Colin Powell's private server?

Irrelevant. She was Sec State and is expected to know if information is classified or not and to take appropriate actions. Are you saying that she failed in that responsibility? If so, why is anyone then saying that she should be trusted with even greater responsibility?

 

[hadit]

So Hillary never got any classified emails? I said I did provide the info and I said you can't read. How many times do you need to prove you're an idiot?

She did not send or receive anything marked classified. The emails were classified after she sent or received them.

Just keep admitting you can't provide evidence that she sent or received material marked classified.

LOL. So she never got any? What a tard.

thats correct ... she never received any emails that said classified to her private server ... how hard is that for you to understand

I know what she said but the fact is that she did get classified emails. Lies work for you, not me.

again, nobody is saying she didn't get classified emails ... what we are saying and have been saying to you numb skulls here, is she never sent or received any classified emails on her private server... thats what you keep missing here

Dude, she ONLY used her private email address. How in the name of heck does one get classified emails, but NOT get classified emails on one's private server if the ONLY email address one uses is one's private address?

 

[hadit]

your implication here is you're trying to imply, in a sarcastic way, by saying to us are you saying she never received classified emails ... we know she received classified emails ... we've never said she didn't ... what we are saying is her private server never received classified emails marked classified

Why is it relevant what they were marked?

... because the way classified emails are set up... that's what you keep missing ... your whole debate here is based on after the fact .... after she received the emails the government decided to make them classified ... what we are saying is you can't hold some one responsible for something that was doe after the fact

Let's clarify......are you saying that the particular information was not considered to be sensitive and needing protection until recently, or that there were no markings on the particular format/messages involved? The question is NOT "when" the material was classified, but "when should it have been" marked classified?

I'm saying that there were no markings on the particular format/message involved

Which is entirely irrelevant as to whether she committed a crime or not.

I not 100% sure ... if she is receiving a classified document on her private server was consider illegal ... when you read the law it doesn't say you can't ... what I understand it to mean is, if her server is hacked and its not a government protected server then she can be held responsible ... the fact that it was never hacked, I believe, the law that was written at the time, never said its a crime for you to store it there ... it says to me its only a crime if you don't protect that email

It doesn't have to be a crime to be monumentally stupid. She was Sec State, and supposed to know how to identify and properly handle classified information. If she was unable/unwilling to do so, she is incompetent to handle such and should NOT be rewarded with greater responsibility.

 

[Iceweasel]

She did not send or receive anything marked classified. The emails were classified after she sent or received them.

Just keep admitting you can't provide evidence that she sent or received material marked classified.

LOL. So she never got any? What a tard.

thats correct ... she never received any emails that said classified to her private server ... how hard is that for you to understand

I know what she said but the fact is that she did get classified emails. Lies work for you, not me.

again, nobody is saying she didn't get classified emails ... what we are saying and have been saying to you numb skulls here, is she never sent or received any classified emails on her private server... thats what you keep missing here

Dude, she ONLY used her private email address. How in the name of heck does one get classified emails, but NOT get classified emails on one's private server if the ONLY email address one uses is one's private address?

The reason she used her home brew setup is so she could control the evidence for incoming and outgoing mail. But didn't know they were that good at recovery.

The libs are insane. They would not even be investigating it if there was no issue. Such desperation.

 

[easyt65]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/02/clinton-aide-cheryl-mills-refused-to-speak-to-the-inspector-general-for-the-state-department/

Hillary Clinton Aide Cheryl Mills Refused to Speak to State Department Inspector General

1. “A report published by the State Department’s IG last month noted the department’s terrible record of responding to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. Of the 240 FOIA requests related to Secretary Clinton, 177 are still outstanding.

The IG’s report also noted one instance where an FOIA request came in seeking information on Hillary Clinton’s email accounts. The request was forwarded to Mills in late 2012. As Clinton’s Chief of Staff, Mills was fully aware of her boss’s email setup but apparently chose not to inform her subordinates about the private server. Six months later, a response went out stating, “no records responsive to your request were located.”

When the Inspector General attempted to ask Mills about this apparent oversight on her part, she refused. In a letter sent by Sen. Chuck Grassley, chariman of the Judiciary Committee which has jurisdiction over FOIA, to Secretary of State John Kerry, Grassley writes, “According to the briefing provided by State IG, when State IG attorneys investigating this matter approached Ms. Mills, she, through her attorney, refused to speak with them.”


Mills, working for Hillary, apparently ‘failed to comply’ with FOIA requests and then refused to talk to the State Dept IG over the matter.


2. In addition, Josh Dorosin, the State Department lawyer who sent out the inaccurate response in 2013, did speak with IG investigators but told them he had no recollection of the matter.

- FOIA LIE followed by ‘I do not remember


In order to clarify the record, Grassley is seeking all email correspondence between Cheryl Mills, Hillary Clinton, Patrick Kennedy, Dorosin, and two other department staffers who handled the request. The letter includes a deadline for response of February 10th.


The issue could be significant because it suggests a possible motive for Clinton’s use of a private server. Clinton has claimed she set up the server merely for convenience, as a way to keep her work and private messages on one account. However, the arrangement also had the side effect of keeping her email out of the reach of FOIA requests like the one the department received in 2012.

Mills’s apparent failure to inform others in the State Department of the arrangement suggests it was being kept secret beyond her top aides. An email released last September suggests that even IT staff at the State Department was unaware of the arrangement. Clinton’s private IT expert, Bryan Pagliano, announced he was prepared to plead the 5th rather than explain his involvement in the setup.

 

[Care4all]

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email
Hillary Clinton’s acolytes are racing to dismiss the latest allegations that classified material was cut and pasted into her emails, but this isn’t some mere oversight that can be hand-waved away with a shrug and a sad trombone honk. One doesn’t spill classified material into an unclassified system accidentally or through mere negligence. What these new revelations show—if they are true—is conduct that was conscious, intentional, and felonious as all get-out.

In basic and open-source terms, there is no one big computer system where innocuous, unclassified material shares space with classified material. They are kept on physically separate computer systems: there is the unclassified system, and there are several classified systems. They don’t connect, unless someone chooses to intentionally connect them.

When there is spillage of classified material into unclassified systems, all hell breaks loose. Well, at least it does when it’s not a friend of the administration doing the spilling.

Filching Information from a Secure Facility
Let’s take a look at what it would take to make this happen. Hillary Clinton refused to use a secure system. She wanted to use her own system because she could control it and unlawfully shield it from the prying eyes of the American people and their representatives. Her minions therefore had to deliberately act to circumvent the rules and procedures put in place to prevent people from doing exactly what Clinton wanted done.

First, someone would have to enter a secure facility—usually called a SCIF—to access a classified document on one of the secure systems. These terminals are behind locked doors with access controls and multiple security measures. You have to have the clearance to enter, and you leave your Android, iPad, laptop, and everything else with a chip outside.

These terminals are behind locked doors with access controls and multiple security measures.
Inside, you access the terminal and review the document you are working with. There are myriad warnings that you are viewing classified material. It is no surprise. So, Hillary’s minion would be knowingly examining classified information when he or she decided to break the law and send it to Hillary’s unclassified, private email server.

There are several ways one could move the classified material, each almost too horrific to contemplate to anyone who has worked with sensitive materials. You need to understand that even discussing this gives professionals the shakes. There are a lot of serious things in the national defense world, but nothing is taken more seriously than classified material. People can and do go to jail for screwing up. Well, at least the little people do.

How to Get the Secure Information Out
One way would be to download it to a portable medium, like a thumb drive. Leaving aside that you can’t bring a thumb drive anywhere near a SCIF, the USB ports on the computers are likely deactivated. You would need a technician to somehow work around that, which is in itself horrifying. The easier way would be to print the material out so you could take it somewhere else and either type or scan it into a new file on an unclassified system.

You would need a technician to somehow work around that, which is in itself horrifying.
Of course, printing classified material and taking it out of the SCIF are themselves huge violations even before you get to not only reproducing it but introducing it to an unclassified system. So now the minion has contaminated the unclassified system, but there are still more steps to take and rules to break.

The minion could type text into the email, but that seems unlikely. More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

Enemy Intelligence Cackles In Glee
In any case, this is not hard to show. You take the text of the suspect emails and compare them to the relevant classified documents, and if they are identical or substantially the same, you have a breach. Let’s be really clear, because Clinton has tried to be anything but: classified material does not somehow become unclassified simply because it is no longer marked due to minions cutting and pasting the text out from between the classification markings. That is not a thing.

Classified material does not somehow become unclassified simply because it is no longer marked.
So, Hillary gets the email, reads it outside of a SCIF, and, unless she is transcendently stupid, sees that it is sensitive material. Now, she did fail the District of Columbia bar examination, so she is no rocket scientist, but it is utterly implausible she did not understand that this material should not ever be on a server that some start-up runs out of a bathroom in Denver.

It’s equally implausible that enemy intelligence agencies also failed to recognize the nature of this material. There’s no reasonable doubt that they pillaged through it in real time.

18 United States Code Section 1924 reads:

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term ‘classified information of the United States’ means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

If these new revelations are true, then it appears Hillary Clinton systematically conspired with her minions to transmit classified information from secure systems to her unsecure server. It’s not merely hard to see how she is not guilty of multiple violations of Section 1924. It’s impossible.

Ok, take a deep breath, and clear your brain of any bias.

Then read this article and all the right wing articles you have read, again.

Are there any FACTS in these articles like the one above about the Hillary case in your articles or are THEY ALL JUST partisan SPECULATIONS and bull crud?

this guy in the right wing rag OPINION PIECE above, on his entire article speculates that someone in the State Department, went in to the top secret server, and took top secret information off of it and then put this top secret information on to the .gov email system which is unclassified....this is ALL OP speculating without thought or anything resembling thought or facts.,,,and the story this guy MADE UP, and Briebart also made a similar story, and Newsmax also made a similar story, has nothing at all to do with the FACTS that are known.

One being that ALL OFFICIALS and ALL research done by officials in her case, have SPECIFICALLY STATED that NONE of the emails Hillary Clinton received or sent, had been classified top secret, at the time she received them.... they even double checked dates..... as example when it was said she had top secret information on 2 emails, that was reported by the IG to the intelligence community, and started the FBI investigation on her server which required the FBI to secure her server in govt protection.... The IG turned over these supposed top secret emails, believing that these emails were Top Secret emails, AT THE TIME they were sent and received....especially one of them....everyone was in an uproar about it....

BUT, when they researched the email which they were certain was on their TOP SECRET SYSTEM, they found out that it was NOT made TOP SECRET and put on their TOP SECRET system until days after the email was received by her... They found out, it was NOT taken from their top secret system because it was not even on their top secret system until days or weeks later, they apparently DATE when things go in to their TS system and become TOP SECRET.

So it turned out that the TOP SECRET info that the intelligence community believed was retrieved from their TOP SECRET server, was actually information that was gathered from PUBLIC SOURCES and NOT their TOP SECRET SYSTEM.

Government officials have stated on the record several times now, that the emails received and sent to Hillary that are top secret now, were NOT CLASSIFIED Top Secret at the time she received them....

Got that? Not just that they were not "marked", but they were NOT TOP SECRET at the time she received this info....

So then your right wing rags went in to a frenzy saying that Hillary and others with top secret clearance should have known better and should have classified this info THEMSELVES.....remember all of those articles in the right wing media harping on that...? At least 20 of those articles have been regurgitated on this site with thread after thread on it....

NOW TAKE A FEW MORE DEEP BREATHS.

The officials are saying that NONE of her emails were Top Secret at the time she received them...WHAT EXACTLY does that mean?

WHAT this means is that NONE of the emails in the 7 NOW top secret email chains that are NOW being classified as TOP SECRET,

drum role.............

WERE NOT ON THE GOVERNMENT'S TOP SECRET SERVER at the time they were sent and received.

Sooooooo, what does this mean in the big picture?

THIS MEANS................drum roll again..............

NO ONE, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE

COULD HAVE TAKEN AND COPIED THEM OFF OF THE govt's TOP SECRET server when the emails were sent to her...

BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ON THEIR TOP SECRET SERVER at the time the emails were sent....

THERE was NOTHING to "Steal" from the Top Secret Sever system, as the author of this piece of crap article that makes up this entire story that you all bought in to.

So this ENTIRE ARTICLE is just partisan HYPE and BULL CRAP..... and can not be true in any way.

You do get that now don't you?

LOL, go tell the FBI, Toots. Tell them it's all a vast right wing conspiracy. And I didn't see your spin on how she did get classified intel.

what officially has the FBI said on this, anything?

NO, THEY HAVEN'T SAID A THING.

AND

As far as spin saying how she got top SECRET info since we KNOW what was sent to her was NOT classified top SECRET at the time she received it....My guess is her team gathered it from PUBLIC SOURCES, BUT I truly do not know this....we don't have facts on this yet.

But what we do know, is the govt officially stated, nothing she received was classified or classified top SECRET at the time....

That would confirm your article posted is pure crap and nothing less.

 

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John Kerry Used Private Email to Send Classified Material to Hillary Clinton

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/03/kerry-used-private-email-to-send-classified-material-to-clinton/

The State Department admits that current Secretary of State John Kerry used a “non-official account” to send classified material to his predecessor Hillary Clinton, who was using an unsecure, off-the-books private server to handle her email.

So much for Hillary’s claim that she never sent OR RECEIVED anything classified using her private server!

-- This is just as bad for Kerry as it is Hillary!


“We’ve already seen documentation proving that President Obama lied when he claimed to be unaware of Clinton’s homebrew email server – he sent numerous messages to the ClintonEmail.com address. Now we have documented proof that John Kerry knew about her email in 2011, when he was in the Senate… but the State Department under Secretary of State Kerry didn’t admit the existence of Clinton’s server, or any of her hidden emails, until forced to do so by the House Benghazi Committee.”


“Somehow that very important detail gets overlooked in much of the media coverage of Clinton’s email scandal. Her talking points about “voluntary disclosure” and “transparency” could not be more false. All of her email was deliberately hidden from Congress, the courts, and the American people. It required an active conspiracy by numerous State Department officials to hide her correspondence – they continually responded to legal requests for Clinton emails by claiming none existed, when they knew perfectly well that a vast trove of those emails was sitting on her private server.”

Hillary was right - there is a vast conspiracy involved, but it isn't a right-wing one --

CLINTON SERVER CONSPIRACY:
Hillary lied about the number of devices she used and about the existence of her server. Her aides refused to assist in complying with the FOIA, hiding / refusing to release info. One lawyer / aide suddenly has ‘amnesia’, and her Server IT employee is declaring he will take the 5th before saying anything.


Kerry knew about it in 2011 yet never mentioned it when it was discovered.

Obama LIED about not knowing until the 18 e-mails he sent to Hillary’s private server were found.

The State Department initially withheld information before being forced to, primarily because of the FBI investigation. Since then they have declared Hillary did not obey the law by releasing all required State Dept-related documents, as required by the law. Furthermore, they pointed out as well that her being in possession of classified information, when she was supposed to have turned it ALL over – everything, classified or not, when she left is a CRIME.

- Hillary declared she had turned over all official documents and that ‘the only thing left on my personal server are PERSONAL ITEMS’. Now WE NOW KNOW THAT Hillary CONSIDERED OVER 1,000 DOCUMENTS / E-MAILS CONTAINING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION – AS HIGH AS TOP SECRET – AS HER OWN ‘PERSONAL ITEMS / FILES’ (HER WORDS)! FAIL! / LIE! CRIME!


BOTTOM LINE:
** NO WAY OBAMA ALLOWS HILLARY TO BE INDICTED BECAUSE HE HIMSELF WOULD COME UNDER QUESTIONING ABOUT HELPING COVER UP HER SERVER’S EXISTENCE/LYING ABOUT KNOWING ABOUT IT.

 

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btw, it was NOT a secret server, it was planned by gvt workers, which was said all along by Clinton.....

Why right wing media is calling it a Secret Server is just made up crapola, is it not? Didn't over 100 govt officials send and receive Clinton emails at her Clinton.com email address? that was reported, so it was no secret, it was planned.

Also, calling it an UNSECURED SERVER, said by the right wing media rags with nothing supporting such, is LIES and crapola also.

It was a SECURE SERVER, not an UNSECURE SERVER. It just was not secured at the Top Secret level of security, but it was a secure, encrypted, server for her use.....

And lastly, even if Clinton had taken a dot gov email account like you all wanted her to at the State department, the .gov system was an UNCLASSIFIED System, and these supposed top secret email chains would be on that UNCLASSIFIED SYSTEM....the same situation as on her server.

 

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btw, it was NOT a secret server, it was planned by gvt workers, which was said all along by Clinton.....

Why right wing media is calling it a Secret Server is just made up crapola, is it not? Didn't over 100 govt officials send and receive Clinton emails at her Clinton.com email address? that was reported, so it was no secret, it was planned.

Also, calling it an UNSECURED SERVER, said by the right wing media rags with nothing supporting such, is LIES and crapola also.

It was a SECURE SERVER, not an UNSECURE SERVER. It just was not secured at the Top Secret level of security, but it was a secure, encrypted, server for her use.....

And lastly, even if Clinton had taken a dot gov email account like you all wanted her to at the State department, the .gov system was an UNCLASSIFIED System, and these supposed top secret email chains would be on that UNCLASSIFIED SYSTEM....the same situation as on her server.

LINK?!

As the article (and link) I posted - not opinion like your - states is that Hillary's server was kept secret from quite a few people. Obama said he never knew anything about it (which has proven to be a lie.) Hillary's IT Specialist who set up her server is taking the 5th instead of answering any questions about it.

As stated above:
"All of her email was deliberately hidden from Congress, the courts, and the American people. It required an active conspiracy by numerous State Department officials to hide her correspondence – they continually responded to legal requests for Clinton emails by claiming none existed, when they knew perfectly well that a vast trove of those emails was sitting on her private server.”
1. IF they DID know Hillary had a private server then they KNEW the answers to the FOIA request were on that server, and they broke the law / allowed the law to be broken in regards to the FOIA requests Hillary and her aids refused to comply with/respond to.

2. They didn't know the server exists, and Hillary and her aides broke the law by failing to comply with FOIA Requests, and Mills refused to meet with the State Department IG to discuss this.

Which one is it?

And who placed the classified info on Hillary's server?

 

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Former Inspector General: Powerful Democrat Women Standing in Way of Hillary Indictment - Breitbart


THROWING HILLARY AIDES UNDER THE BUS

“Former Inspector General Howard J. Krongard says the current FBI investigation should be focused on how material made it from the classified email system, known as SIPRNet, to Clinton’s unclassified private server. “It can’t just jump from one system to the other. Someone had to move it, copy it. The question is who did that?” Krongard tells the New York Post.

Krongard says Hillary’s top three aides–Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin, and Jake Sullivan–are facing “significant scrutiny” because they sent most of the material that wound up on Clinton’s server. Though it has yet to be determined how classified material wound up crossing from one email system to the other, Krongard suggests staffers emailing Hillary likely summarized what they had read elsewhere. “ (‘Summarizing’ classified info into anUN-classified e-mail on an UN-classified system is STILL ILLEGAL!) “She’s trying to distance herself from the conversion from SIPRNet to [the nonsecure] NIPRNet and to her server, but she’s throwing her staffers under the bus,” Krongard tells the Post.

Cheryl Mills has refused to talk to the State Dept IF for failing to comply with FOIA requests / requirements.

Krongard says the case will never get to an indictment because of 4 loyal women:

1. Loretta Lynch, Obama’s handpicked ‘female Eric Holder’ Atty General

2. Leslie Caldwell – A Hillary Deputy

3. Sally Yates – A Hillary Deputy

4. Valerie Jarrett – Obama’s Top Advisor


Gen. Petraeus faced a misdemeanor plea deal would be reached. Petraeus’ deal gave him two year’s probation and a $100,000 fine, and Krongard thinks Hillary will receive something extremely similar.
- Hillary, to proceed with her Presidential run, though, can accept nothing shy of FULL EXONERATION! ANY finding of wrong-doing on her part hurts her Presidential run. If she doesn't come out of this looking like the 'victim' of an incompetent staff she is in trouble. Seeing has they have already described HER as 'often confused' and 'technologically chanllenged' I don't see how that happens.

Rather than being thrown under a bus, Hillary’s aides more appropriately find themselves standing on railroad tracks with the train bearing down on them…out the engine’s window, Hillary is hanging out of the engine’s window wearing an ‘Engineer’s cap. The last thing they hear is ‘Sorry. Nothing personal. It’s just business.’

Cheryl Mills
Huma Abedin
Jake Sullivan
Bryan Pagliano
* The FBI will be all over them like flies on shite….Someone is going to cut a deal. I can’t believe all of them are willing to go to jail for Hillary.