Economics 101

[JakeStarkey]

Welfare is not a negative income tax, and since you don't know that, you show us how you are ignorant on important matters.

Oh you poor little dimwit. It is the exact same thing. Both are “guaranteed” incomes from the government.

No, they are not, you goofus. But go ahead and show us how. Understand ahead of time you will fail.

 

[JakeStarkey]

He is not an idiot, just a punk of the alt right. He wants a fascist dictatorship.

Well that would be one heck of a trick snowflake, considering that fascism is exclusively left-wing. It is totalitarianism. And one cannot have right-wing totalitarianism. It’s as idiotic as saying “libertarian communism”

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Once again the goofus reveals his ignorance of fascism, which like all Progressivist programs, has a right and left wing variant.

P@triot does not understand he is at war with the modern state and its practices, which Dem and GOP and Obama and Trump both practice or have practiced.

 

[rshermn]

Milton Friedman should have been tried for crimes against humanity.

Spoken like a true fascist! Anyone who advocates for liberty should be executed!

Spoken like a true con troll, or said another way, idiot. First you call Dragonlady a socialist, then you call her a fascist. Now, any person with a brain and a little basic education knows the two are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Bwahahaha! They are on the exact same side of the spectrum, you high school dropout.

“fascism and communism are merely variants of the same totalitarianism which central control of all economic activity tends to produce, this has become almost a commonplace.”

That was F.A. Hayek in “The Road to Serfdom” who held 3 advanced degrees (PhD’s in political science, economics, and law) and studied fascism while living through it during WWII. It’s ok - none of us expect a high school dropout to have read The Road to Serfdom. Here is a chart to help dumb it down a little (it will still be far above your level but maybe the pictures will make it so that someone can explain it to you).

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Excerpt From The Road to Serfdom
F. A. Hayek This material may be protected by copyright.

Damn. You find the most ignorant sources, me boy. You are extremely wrong.
Fascism is what Nazi Germany was founded on.
Socialism is what communism was founded on. Two opposing systems. Sorry you are so ignorant.

Here is the thing, me boy. You may be a high school drop out, simply posting drivel. I am not. I have a degree in Economics. And what you are trying to say is stupid as possible.

Here:

"For decades, the two terms have been used to identify two opposing political, social and economic theories that have dramatically marked human history during the XX century. To date, fascism and socialism as such no longer exist (besides in some rare cases), and have been replaced by “neo-fascism” and “neo-socialism”. Yet, modern thinking remains strictly intertwined with the originating paradigms.

Let us proceed with order: to understand the differences (and the similarities) between fascism and socialism, we necessarily need a clear idea of the main features pertaining to both theories.

Fascism:
Fascism is a far-right nationalistic movement first born in Italy at the beginning of the 20th century[1]. According to one of its main exponents – Benito Mussolini – the fascist philosophy is based on three main pillars[2]:

1. “Everything in the state”
2. “Nothing outside the state”
3. “Nothing against the state”

A fascist government is supreme, and all institutions must conform to the willing of the ruling authority. Moreover, opposition is not tolerated: the fascist ideology has primacy and supremacy over all other perspectives, and the ultimate goal of a fascist country is to rule the world and spread the “superior ideology” everywhere.

• Fascism exalts nation and race over the individual
• Centralized, authoritarian, and often dictatorial government
• Strong and charismatic leader
• Strict governmental control over opposition, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly
• Severe social regulations
• Crucial role of heroes
• Strong attachment to moral, nationalistic values
• Glory of the state over the individual
• The individual is required to put the interest of the state before his personal goals/needs
• Unique economy
• Strong governmental involvement in economy an production
• The State has strong influence over investment and industries
• In order to receive the support of the government, businesses need to promise that their main interest is the enhancement of the country
• Opposed to free market economy
• In some instances, international trade is opposed (because of the primacy of the nationalist feeling

For instance:

• The British National Party is strongly influenced by Fascist ideals – made clear by the anti-immigration tendencies
• Many suggest that Trump’s policies have fascist connotations, in particular as far as immigration stance and national superiority are concerned

Socialism:
Socialism is often collocated in the opposite end of the spectrum compared to fascism; if fascism pertains to the group of far-rights movements, socialism is, then, located to the far-left[4]:

• Socialism is an economic and social theory advocating for social ownership, and democratic control of the means of production
• Strong governmental involvement in production and redistribution of goods and wealth
• Abolition of private property
• Means of production are controlled and owned by the state
• None (besides the state) has personal control over resources
• Production is directly and solely for use
• Emphasis on equality rather than achievement
• Primacy of the community over the individual

Moreover, there are many variants of socialism, such as:

• Religious socialism
• Democratic socialism
• Liberal socialism
• Progressive socialism
• Communism (when socialism is exasperated)

Socialism is, to date, more widespread than fascism. Moreover, socialism can exist within countries as main overall economic and social system, but can be also present within segments of a country, such as in education, health care, and corporation systems. If a country has not declared itself as socialist in the national constitution, it cannot be labelled as socialist by third parties. To date, a number of countries have chosen to define themselves socialist nations:

• Republic of India
• Republic of Angola
• Portuguese Republic
• Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka
• People’s Democratic Republic of Algeria

…among others…

Where is the difference?
Clearly, fascism and socialism differ on many fundamental aspects.

• Far-right vs far-left
• Primacy of the nation vs protection of everyone’s rights
• Private property vs public/social ownership

The socialist paradigm is based on the assumption that private property and free market inevitably lead to social and economic inequality. As such, the state has the moral and social duty to intervene to protect workers’ rights and to ensure that wealth is equally and harmoniously distributed. Socialist societies prevent economic competition within the country and with other countries.

Despite the large degree of variance existing within the socialist world, all policies implemented by all variants of socialism are based on the pivotal economic and social goals mentioned earlier. The idea of nation, race, and superiority are absent from the socialist thinking.

Fascism, instead, does not call for social equality nor cares about the equal redistribution of wealth and income. A fascist economy aims at the strengthening of the nation, at the propagation of nationalistic principles, and at the enhancement of national superiority.

Even if fascist economic policies often lead to economic growth – from which all segments of society can benefit – social equality is not among the goals of the fascist paradigm.

Socialism and fascism are based on opposite principles and values, however."
Difference between socialism and fascism | Difference Between

Jesus, you are ignorant. Saying socialism and fascism are alike is about as stupid as you can get.

 

[Picaro]

The US can do the same thing by trimming 10% of the DOD and still protect the free world.

We can’t even properly protect the free world now because of the damage the Dumbocrats have done to our nation. We need at least a 10% increase to our defense budget.

However, what we can do, is cut 100% of the unconstitutional “welfare” bullshit. That would save us over $1 trillion per year. We could fund everything and still pay off the national debt in less than 25 years.

Ah, the Republicans love to talk about paying off the national debt, and yet, they never have. At present Republicans have all three branches of government, and they still blame the only party that has paid off the debt, for their failure.

What poster is defending the GOP? I keep seeing posts about it, but never actually see many posts defending the GOP. I see a lot more bashing them from moderates and rightists, and I also note no progs or Hillaryites ever have a disparaging word about the rampant criminality and treason of the Democratic Party regime. Is that an indication that most of you support them in their actions? I think it does, and why we should deport registered Democrats to some country where they will be happy, like Red China, or maybe South Africa, or Somalia.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The US can do the same thing by trimming 10% of the DOD and still protect the free world.

We can’t even properly protect the free world now because of the damage the Dumbocrats have done to our nation. We need at least a 10% increase to our defense budget.

However, what we can do, is cut 100% of the unconstitutional “welfare” bullshit. That would save us over $1 trillion per year. We could fund everything and still pay off the national debt in less than 25 years.

Ah, the Republicans love to talk about paying off the national debt, and yet, they never have. At present Republicans have all three branches of government, and they still blame the only party that has paid off the debt, for their failure.

What poster is defending the GOP? I keep seeing posts about it, but never actually see many posts defending the GOP. I see a lot more bashing them from moderates and rightists, and I also note no progs or Hillaryites ever have a disparaging word about the rampant criminality and treason of the Democratic Party regime. Is that an indication that most of you support them in their actions? I think it does, and why we should deport registered Democrats to some country where they will be happy, like Red China, or maybe South Africa, or Somalia.

Really?

 

[P@triot]

You are extremely wrong.
Fascism is what Nazi Germany was founded on. Socialism is what communism was founded on. Two opposing systems. Sorry you are so ignorant.

Ahahahahahahahah! Nazi was short for National Socialists you dimwit. You literally just admitted that fascism is exclusively left-wing (just as I said, just as Dr. F.A. Hayek said) without even knowing it.

That is how astoundingly ignorant you are. You didn’t even know what Nazi stood for (which is common knowledge).

 

[P@triot]

Where is the difference?
Clearly, fascism and socialism differ on many fundamental aspects.

• Far-right vs far-left
• Primacy of the nation vs protection of everyone’s rights
• Private property vs public/social ownership

You poor little guy...this is really embarrassing for you:

The National Socialist regime’s crimes against humanity, especially its attempt to exterminate the Jewish people, are well-known today. Fewer, however, recognize that the Nazi movement also embraced some indisputably socialist ideas. The 25-oint program adopted by the Nazis in 1920, for example, demanded the nationalization of key industries and the expansion of old-age welfare. Nazi leaders also used consistently negative language about capitalism, which they invariably portrayed as being controlled by “Jewish bankers.”

Just out of curiosity - what grade did you drop out of school?

The forgotten story of the German economic ‘miracle’ | Acton Institute

 

[P@triot]

Where is the difference?
Clearly, fascism and socialism differ on many fundamental aspects.

• Far-right vs far-left
• Primacy of the nation vs protection of everyone’s rights
• Private property vs public/social ownership

You poor little guy...this is really embarrassing for you:

Adolf Hitler’s own economic views are best described as eclectic. While proclaiming that “we are socialists” and that “we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system,” Hitler stressed on other occasions that the destruction of private property was a mistake. What is clear, however, is that he believed that the economy, like everything else, was subordinate to the demands of a totalitarian state.

You can’t have right-wing “totalitarianism”. The further right you go, government gets smaller and less powerful until it ceases to exist at all (anarchy). It would take a monumental idiot to declare that fascism is to the right of libertarianism when there was no liberty/dissension in fascism while libertarianism fully embraces that.

Just out of curiosity - what grade did you drop out of school?

The forgotten story of the German economic ‘miracle’ | Acton Institute

 

[P@triot]

Here is the thing, me boy. You may be a high school drop out, simply posting drivel. I am not. I have a degree in Economics. And what you are trying to say is stupid as possible.

The only thing you have a degree in is spreading misinformation. And you certainly do not have a degree in Political Science (by your own admission) while Dr. Hayek held a PhD in it.

 

[regent]

Even FDR’s own Secretary of the Treasury - who was the architect of the entire “New Deal” - openly admitted that it failed.

Another lie. No sec of treasury was the architect of the new deal. Dipshit. Do you always lie??? Of course you do.

It so easy to prove to everyone that you even lie about lying.

He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal

Boom! Now tell us all how Wikipedia is a “con troll” source.



Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia

Are you really working that hard at proving yourself to be stupid. I understand Morganthau worked on the FDR plan. But you did not say that. You said he was the ARCHITECT of it. He was not. And you link, if you could read, does not say he was. Really, remedial reading may be available to even you, a congenital idiot.

Morgenthau was a neighbor of FDR's and his expertise was agriculture. And he was one of the few that would stand up to FDR, and of course he was not the architect of New Deal.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are extremely wrong.
Fascism is what Nazi Germany was founded on. Socialism is what communism was founded on. Two opposing systems. Sorry you are so ignorant.

Ahahahahahahahah! Nazi was short for National Socialists you dimwit. You literally just admitted that fascism is exclusively left-wing (just as I said, just as Dr. F.A. Hayek said) without even knowing it.

That is how astoundingly ignorant you are. You didn’t even know what Nazi stood for (which is common knowledge).

You dimwit, it was a party name.

You do not know that Hitler killed all the communists and socialists, but now you do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

P@triot, you do not understand Hayek. And you have Morgenthau doing things he did not do.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are extremely wrong.
Fascism is what Nazi Germany was founded on. Socialism is what communism was founded on. Two opposing systems. Sorry you are so ignorant.

Ahahahahahahahah! Nazi was short for National Socialists you dimwit. You literally just admitted that fascism is exclusively left-wing (just as I said, just as Dr. F.A. Hayek said) without even knowing it.

That is how astoundingly ignorant you are. You didn’t even know what Nazi stood for (which is common knowledge).

You dimwit, it was a party name.

You do not know that Hitler killed all the communists and socialists, but now you do.

Leftists never kill other leftists, eh comrade?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are extremely wrong.
Fascism is what Nazi Germany was founded on. Socialism is what communism was founded on. Two opposing systems. Sorry you are so ignorant.

Ahahahahahahahah! Nazi was short for National Socialists you dimwit. You literally just admitted that fascism is exclusively left-wing (just as I said, just as Dr. F.A. Hayek said) without even knowing it.

That is how astoundingly ignorant you are. You didn’t even know what Nazi stood for (which is common knowledge).

You dimwit, it was a party name.

You do not know that Hitler killed all the communists and socialists, but now you do.

Leftists never kill other leftists, eh comrade?

Hitler made a deal with the Army and the capitalist, comrade: hint, they are not left. Then they killed the lefties.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are extremely wrong.
Fascism is what Nazi Germany was founded on. Socialism is what communism was founded on. Two opposing systems. Sorry you are so ignorant.

Ahahahahahahahah! Nazi was short for National Socialists you dimwit. You literally just admitted that fascism is exclusively left-wing (just as I said, just as Dr. F.A. Hayek said) without even knowing it.

That is how astoundingly ignorant you are. You didn’t even know what Nazi stood for (which is common knowledge).

You dimwit, it was a party name.

You do not know that Hitler killed all the communists and socialists, but now you do.

Leftists never kill other leftists, eh comrade?

Hitler made a deal with the Army and the capitalist, comrade: hint, they are not left. Then they killed the lefties.

Big government Nazi leftists killed big government Commie leftists.

When you get a chance, list Hitler's small government, freedom promoting ideas.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I get a kick when Toddster shows his dumminess.

You do not understand Progressivism at all.

It comes in right, left, and center shades, with capitalistic and communistic or mixed economies, with democratic and totalitarian flavors.

Sonny, we don't live in 1900 anymore.

 

[regent]

Bismarck, in the 1890's, brought socialism to Germany in fear of communism, not Hitler. As for Hitler's socialism most Americans at the time knew that Hitler's socialism was a farce.
Even "Time" magazine published in 1933, "The Nazi insert Socialist in the party's name simply as a lure to discontented workers."

 

[kwc57]

^^^ kwc57???

Are you asking for help to understand something? I've tried so many times and you keep sticking your head up your liberal ass. It's kind of a wasted effort.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I get a kick when Toddster shows his dumminess.

You do not understand Progressivism at all.

It comes in right, left, and center shades, with capitalistic and communistic or mixed economies, with democratic and totalitarian flavors.

Sonny, we don't live in 1900 anymore.

Conservatives want a government so small, we can drown it in the bath tub.
Conservatives want government so small, we can push grandma off a cliff.
We want to privatize everything. Don't you remember?

We don't want government telling business what to do (fascism) or government owning
the means of production (communism). Both philosophies require massive government in order
to sufficiently stifle the freedom that threatens their power.

The opposite of conservatism.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your "conservatives" don't exist, Toddster. Move along.