Elizabeth Warren: 'End Electoral College'

[22lcidw]

Nonsense. They tried to delegitimize the 2000 election. As I pointed out, Katherine Harris refused to accept returns filed after a week following the election, even though she didn’t have to. Then there were the mobs of GOP operatives, paid to disrupt the recounts. Hoping to at least stall the recounts if not end them entirely.

The whole thing was a partisan farce. They were making it up as they went along

The FL supreme court? You betcha they did -- they did everything they could to get Gore the win.
Too bad for the rule of law, eh?

Yep, they went into the bowels of the three deep blue counties to find every vote they could. They even called Florida for Bush earlier in the evening as the central time zone heavily Republican panhandle was still voting. So thousands did not vote.

And by “earlier in the evening,” you mean 10 minutes before the polls closed.

I believed it to be longer. And those 10 minutes as you typed are a lot of vote. After all, you make sure in those bowel areas that you get court orders to keep the polls open as you hunt down every vote you can cheat on.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

All those things are orthogonal with each other.

How many elections has Wyoming decided? Cali's 55 votes represent 20% of the needed 270. Wyoming = 1%. LOL. The bigger question is why have states at all? What sayeth you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

#5) Photo ID to vote.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hillary should have spent more time in those states.

Bingo.

Clinton took those states for granted. She never even visited Wisconsin. Not even once.

So those states responded accordingly with a big "FUCK YOU" to Hillary.

Clinton phoned in her campaign. As much as I hate Trump, he expended a hundred times more energy on the campaign than Clinton did. Easily a hundred times more energy.

Trump worked hard to win. Clinton coasted on assumptions.

As noted, there are many things that g5000 and I disagree on and this is one of them

There are several major problems with the idea that Clinton’s Electoral College tactics cost her the election. For one thing, winning Wisconsin and Michigan — states that Clinton is rightly accused of ignoring — would not have sufficed to win her the Electoral College. She’d also have needed Pennsylvania, Florida or another state where she campaigned extensively. For another, Clinton spent almost twice as much money as Trump on her campaign in total. So even if she devoted a smaller share of her budget to a particular state or a particular activity, it may nonetheless have amounted to more resources overall (5 percent of a $969 million budget is more than 8 percent of a $531 million one).

The election came down to Comey. That letter days before the election was not only bogus but the biggest October Surprise in history

Comey certainly did a lot of damage to Clinton. I do not disagree.

However, even with all the press coverage given to Clinton, it was obvious that while she might have been spending more than Trump, she was not making as many public appearances. She was not drawing the same crowds as Trump.

I bet if someone tallied all their public appearances, Trump would tally far, far higher than Clinton. Clinton was almost reclusive.

This was about energy, and Clinton didn't have it.

Vodka takes a toll on the old gal.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

Uh-huh....You'd be singing a different tune if Hillary had won.
Stop being a hypocrite, it's bad enough with psycho-boy in office:



Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

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[Rustic]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

All those things are orthogonal with each other.

Lol
Getting rid of the electoral college means rural America may as well not even participate in the vote.
Rural America would lose every single presidential election with a pure popular vote.
States like California Florida Texas in New York would rule Every corner of America ... fact

 

[Rustic]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

Uh-huh....You'd be singing a different tune if Hillary had won.
Stop being a hypocrite, it's bad enough with psycho-boy in office:



Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

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11:45 PM - Nov 6, 2012
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Donald J. Trump on Twitter
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LOL! Love making you Trumpanzees look like the idiots you are.
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Lol
Well, he was wrong...

A pure popular vote = mob rule

 

[Cecilie1200]

Won't happen.
Thread is another exercise in futility.

I have a feeling if the shoe were on the other foot, Republicans would be looking at this differently.

I have a feeling you only think that because YOUR principles are selfish and subjective, and you assume everyone is like you. Don't project.

Okay, maybe I'm wrong.

More than maybe. It's not like Democrats haven't won in recent history, and I have yet to see concerted efforts among Republicans to invalidate and delegitimize those elections. Disagree with and oppose policies, sure. Delegitimize, no.

Really? Poliquin just did in Maine.

Oh, WELL, if you can pull an obscure regional election out of your ass, that CERTAINLY compares to repeated attempts to invalidate Presidential elections. Because a brand-new state election law is TOTALLY comparable to an integral part of the US Constitution.

Do you actually wonder why people hold you in contempt, or are you at least honest with yourself about that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

All those things are orthogonal with each other.

You need to recheck your math.

 

[Pogo]

I believe the EC should stay, for good reason.

The race for the Presidency is like a World Series. It's not a single match. It's a race of endurance. It should be as grueling as possible. Our President is the leader of the Free World and will be tested every single day on the job in a limitless number of ways.

And we need to know that person has heard EVERY voice in America, not just the same voices in all our urban centers. They need to hear the farmers and the miners and the traders and the poor and the rich and the blue collars and the white collars and every race and creed.

And that is nowhere NEAR the case now or in any of our lifetimes.

The whole completely-bullshit concepts of "red states" and "blue states" ---- concepts which would simply not exist if not for the distortion of the WTA-EC --- means that no candidate will bother with the Massachusettses or the Alabamas, because everybody already knows those are predetermined (<< that alone makes the entire electoral process a sham). And forget altogether about Alaska and Hawaii, who will never get a visit from anybody under the gentlemen's agreement.

In practice all the attention goes to the so-called "battleground" states (equally bullshitious concept) to the exclusion of the vast majority of the nation, already taken for granted by the respective camps. My own "battleground" state went to Congress and lied through its teeth dumping all 15 of its electoral votes to one candidate even though nobody got as much as 50% of the state vote. That's complete bullshit. All states but two have caved to the WTA idiocy (and those two just do a smaller version of the same thing), and many (most?) have actually passed laws dictating how their electors may vote, which further degrades the legitimacy of the entire exercise.

James Madison could see that already in his own lifetime and wanted to abolish it.

Besides shutting out all those voters from contact and tossing all those millions of votes immediately in the shitcan, this perverse system depresses national voter turnout (because for most voters what's the point); makes us all dependent on polls to determine whether it's worth leaving the house on election day at all; shuts out any possibility of a third party and ensures that the Duopoly continues to perpetuate itself, forever.

How a case can be made for that is way beyond my pay grade.

 

[Cecilie1200]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

All those things are orthogonal with each other.

"I don't think it's fair, so that means it's BAD!!!! WAAAAAHHHHH!!!"

Memo to you: the world isn't kindergarten. Grow the fuck up.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

Uh-huh....You'd be singing a different tune if Hillary had won.
Stop being a hypocrite, it's bad enough with psycho-boy in office:



Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

108K
11:45 PM - Nov 6, 2012
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Donald J. Trump on Twitter
,
LOL! Love making you Trumpanzees look like the idiots you are.
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.
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Lol
Well, he was wrong...

A pure popular vote = mob rule

Vladimir Putin would agree with you.

Goddamn, you people know how to step in your own shit.
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Your sheer stupidity is ushering in an authoritarian government, Donald Trump loves you.
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[OldLady]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

multiple threads on this already, Einstein.

 

[DGS49]

Don't assume that because HRC "won" the "popular vote," that she would have won the 2016 election had it been decided by popular vote. This is so stupid that the Democrats believe it as gospel.

Had the 2016 election been planned and executed on the basis of popular vote (both primaries and general election), it is very unlikely that either of the two actual candidates would have won their primaries. In all probability, the primary would have been held, nation-wide on a single day, thus eliminating all of the juking and jiving of the primaries, caucuses, and other anti-democratic shenanigans.

The candidates would have focused their efforts on the most populous states in the country, but consider this: Republicans in places like California, Illinois, Massachusetts, and D.C. have largely given up on politics because the Democrat dominance is so total that their votes don't mean anything. In California in 2016 the only election of consequence was the Senate election, where two Democrats ran against one another. At the very least, many hundreds of thousands of Republican Californians simply stayed home.

If there were a Constitutional Amendment passed tomorrow making 2020 a Popular Vote election, Trump would win in a landslide, particularly if steps are taken in the meantime to REDUCE the rampant voter fraud that characterized 2016 and 2020.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

theirs a reason millions have fled blue states that are pretty much dragged left by large metropolitan areas
take away nyc la and san fran

Hillary lost the "popular" vote

we already have the popular vote anyway
most states throw all their electoral college votes to the winner of that states popular vote


The left does not respect any vote that doesn't go their way ...they can lie all they want ....anytime a leftard says hes for the popular national vote cause democracy
is either lying or stupid

look at California 1994 attempt to curb taxpayer services like food ,medical, and schools for illegals
look at France voting NON the first time
look at Brexit

majority rule votes do not matter to the left.
only when it suits their agenda do they pull out the BUT MOB Rule DEMOCRACY IS TRUE DEMOCRACY

TODAY the lil totalitarian retards don't believe in any form of democracy
they really don't

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I always thought america was a democracy

That's the result of a public education.

Kinda scary that so many don't understand our own system yet they vote!

STATES elect the president. The individuals of each STATE determine who the STATE votes for.

It's all part of our checks and balances.

You people, with your simplistic understanding of our system is dangerous to the republic.

 

[OldLady]

You make it sound like going to the moon. Oh, wait....
The Constitution has already been amended 27 times. Well, 17 if you take out the Bill of Rights. It is certainly not impossible.

Yes, impossible. Thirty-eight states would have to ratify the amendment effectively rendering their states mute regarding who is runs the country. Do you really think that's possible?

My understanding was that it was the Democratic and Republican parties that choose the electors, not the states.

 

[NoVote]

The leftards only want popular vote, because there are more leftards, if you count illegals in sucktuary states like cacklafornicate and new dork. In 2020, when they lose the popular vote, they will be screaming for something else.

 

[Timmy]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

How so ? We can eliminate winner take all state electoral college vote stealing .

 

[Markle]

Frankly, I don't understand why someone thought another thread, about the Electoral College, was somehow relevant. It is great for far left Progressives to rail about, they know it is impossible but their base has no clue.

More relevant would be to repeal the 17th Amendment. That would restore order and return a say to the states in how our country is run.