Enough of this transgender nonsense.

[Lilah]

Obviously not.

How so?

I just gave you an example. Duh!

No, you gave me an example of a person who had a genetic anomaly and didn't know it.

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Anyone that has the operation should be allowed into the bath room of their new gender. .

No one under the age of 18 should be allowed to have such surgery.

We operate on babies, without thier consent. We don't have to wait for 18.

"We operate on babies, without thier consent. We don't have to wait for 18."

This is pretty much the STUPIDEST comment I've read at this forum. Period....on a scale of 1 to 10 that's an 11.

WTF?! You're bizarrely equating a BABY having to be operated on....with a 16 year-old or whatever suddenly deciding they want their dick chopped off?

Wow

It's such a stupid comment I couldn't summon the energy lol.

It's so stupid and so unintentionally funny....
I nearly fucking would have WET my panties....if I was wearing any panties, which I'm not

 

[ChrisL]

Yes they are. They are physical anomalies and genetic diseases.

Wrong, dead wrong. They are other sexes, not diseases
The 6 Most Common Biological Sexes in Humans
.

You really need to read the links I posted. They will teach you a lot about the problems you are discussing. These problems do not include transgenders because transgenders do not have these anomalies. Transgenders are people with healthy and functioning genitals and internal organs, who usually DO look like men or women and have the XX or XY chromosomes. In other words, there is nothing at all physically or genetically wrong with them. What is wrong with them is in their mind, mental illness.

So, the young girl with the male chromosomes and internal testes, who identifies as a female and looks like one, is suffering from mental illness? Should the coach of her swim team be notified?

That's a disease. Damn, read the links I posted. Maybe you will learn something! Or maybe not.

A disease that manifested into a healthy, vibrant young girl?
What is wrong with you?

That's Swyer Syndrome, you moron. Lol.

People with Swyer syndrome have typical female external genitalia. The uterus and fallopian tubes are normally-formed, but the gonads (ovaries or testes) are not functional; affected individuals have undeveloped clumps of tissue called streak gonads. Because of the lack of development of the gonads, Swyer syndrome is also called 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis. The residual gonadal tissue often becomes cancerous, so it is usually removed surgically early in life.

People with Swyer syndrome are typically raised as girls and have a female gender identity. Because they do not have functional ovaries, affected individuals usually begin hormone replacement therapy during adolescence to induce menstruation and development of female secondary sex characteristics such as breast enlargement and uterine growth. Hormone replacement therapy also helps reduce the risk of reduced bone density (osteopenia andosteoporosis). Women with this disorder do not produce eggs (ova), but they may be able to become pregnant with a donated egg or embryo.

Swyer syndrome usually affects only sexual development; such cases are called isolated Swyer syndrome. However, depending on the genetic cause, Swyer syndrome may also occur along with health conditions such as nerve problems (neuropathy) or as part of a syndrome such ascampomelic dysplasia, which causes severe skeletal abnormalities.

 

[ChrisL]

How so?

I just gave you an example. Duh!

No, you gave me an example of a person who had a genetic anomaly and didn't know it.

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

I just posted them!!! OMG. Lol.

 

[Lilah]

Wrong, dead wrong. They are other sexes, not diseases
The 6 Most Common Biological Sexes in Humans
.

You really need to read the links I posted. They will teach you a lot about the problems you are discussing. These problems do not include transgenders because transgenders do not have these anomalies. Transgenders are people with healthy and functioning genitals and internal organs, who usually DO look like men or women and have the XX or XY chromosomes. In other words, there is nothing at all physically or genetically wrong with them. What is wrong with them is in their mind, mental illness.

So, the young girl with the male chromosomes and internal testes, who identifies as a female and looks like one, is suffering from mental illness? Should the coach of her swim team be notified?

That's a disease. Damn, read the links I posted. Maybe you will learn something! Or maybe not.

A disease that manifested into a healthy, vibrant young girl?
What is wrong with you?

That's Swyer Syndrome, you moron. Lol.

People with Swyer syndrome have typical female external genitalia. The uterus and fallopian tubes are normally-formed, but the gonads (ovaries or testes) are not functional; affected individuals have undeveloped clumps of tissue called streak gonads. Because of the lack of development of the gonads, Swyer syndrome is also called 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis. The residual gonadal tissue often becomes cancerous, so it is usually removed surgically early in life.

People with Swyer syndrome are typically raised as girls and have a female gender identity. Because they do not have functional ovaries, affected individuals usually begin hormone replacement therapy during adolescence to induce menstruation and development of female secondary sex characteristics such as breast enlargement and uterine growth. Hormone replacement therapy also helps reduce the risk of reduced bone density (osteopenia andosteoporosis). Women with this disorder do not produce eggs (ova), but they may be able to become pregnant with a donated egg or embryo.

Swyer syndrome usually affects only sexual development; such cases are called isolated Swyer syndrome. However, depending on the genetic cause, Swyer syndrome may also occur along with health conditions such as nerve problems (neuropathy) or as part of a syndrome such ascampomelic dysplasia, which causes severe skeletal abnormalities.

Is it a disease?

 

[ChrisL]

How so?

I just gave you an example. Duh!

No, you gave me an example of a person who had a genetic anomaly and didn't know it.

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

Because it has no brain. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

You really need to read the links I posted. They will teach you a lot about the problems you are discussing. These problems do not include transgenders because transgenders do not have these anomalies. Transgenders are people with healthy and functioning genitals and internal organs, who usually DO look like men or women and have the XX or XY chromosomes. In other words, there is nothing at all physically or genetically wrong with them. What is wrong with them is in their mind, mental illness.

So, the young girl with the male chromosomes and internal testes, who identifies as a female and looks like one, is suffering from mental illness? Should the coach of her swim team be notified?

That's a disease. Damn, read the links I posted. Maybe you will learn something! Or maybe not.

A disease that manifested into a healthy, vibrant young girl?
What is wrong with you?

That's Swyer Syndrome, you moron. Lol.

People with Swyer syndrome have typical female external genitalia. The uterus and fallopian tubes are normally-formed, but the gonads (ovaries or testes) are not functional; affected individuals have undeveloped clumps of tissue called streak gonads. Because of the lack of development of the gonads, Swyer syndrome is also called 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis. The residual gonadal tissue often becomes cancerous, so it is usually removed surgically early in life.

People with Swyer syndrome are typically raised as girls and have a female gender identity. Because they do not have functional ovaries, affected individuals usually begin hormone replacement therapy during adolescence to induce menstruation and development of female secondary sex characteristics such as breast enlargement and uterine growth. Hormone replacement therapy also helps reduce the risk of reduced bone density (osteopenia andosteoporosis). Women with this disorder do not produce eggs (ova), but they may be able to become pregnant with a donated egg or embryo.

Swyer syndrome usually affects only sexual development; such cases are called isolated Swyer syndrome. However, depending on the genetic cause, Swyer syndrome may also occur along with health conditions such as nerve problems (neuropathy) or as part of a syndrome such ascampomelic dysplasia, which causes severe skeletal abnormalities.

Is it a disease?

Yes. Lol. Did you read it?

 

[Lilah]

I just gave you an example. Duh!

No, you gave me an example of a person who had a genetic anomaly and didn't know it.

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

I just posted them!!! OMG. Lol.

Do you feel superior because you know how to post?

 

[ChrisL]

No, you gave me an example of a person who had a genetic anomaly and didn't know it.

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

I just posted them!!! OMG. Lol.

Do you feel superior because you know how to post?

Are you for real?

 

[Lilah]

I just gave you an example. Duh!

No, you gave me an example of a person who had a genetic anomaly and didn't know it.

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

Because it has no brain. Lol.

A door has no brain, but it's not dumb because the idea of a door allows entrance and egress. Cereal could feed a starving child.
I think we all know the definition of dumb ... you.

 

[emilynghiem]

Having trouble with that two piece puzzle?

Nah, just with idiots.

So you have a problem with yourself then? A "transgender" is a person who has no physical or genetic anomalies, who has perfectly healthy and functioning genitals. Get it yet? A person who is born with a defect has a physical defect with their genitals as well as other health issues. These are two completely different things.

Have you written and published your findings in a medical journal yet?

I don't have to. Doctors already have.

Definition of transgender

1. : of, relating to, or being a person (as a transsexual or transvestite) who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that differs from the one which corresponds to the person's sex at birth

And what is a person's sex at birth, especially when we pick for them?

Dear Jack4jill ChrisL and Lilah
I can see Chris is going by the legal definition, as in Texas, which recognizes what is on the birth certificate.

Jack4jill you are arguing similarly to the Right to Life people who recognize human rights at conception,
while laws may recognize them at BIRTH.

Chris and Jack you would have to agree which realm you are going to frame this in.
Otherwise you will go in circles as legalistic liberals who are going by what the law says literally
versus what other sources are used to define things outside that framework.

Agree on a framework first.
Or take turns, discuss how this plays out using the legal definition of gender based on either
birth certificate or if doctors confirm someone passes as female after going through procedures.

Now on the side of ChrisL's argument
it has been argued that in sports, people who are transgender female have an unfair advantage
in some sports over females who are born female.
So it is argued that it is not fully fair to allow a MMA fight between a former man who can still
BREAK THE JAW of a female who wasn't born male and then changed.
This fits ChrisL's argument that no matter how much you change physically to female
there are going to be some things that are still male.
NOTE: there is at least one case of a male giving birth using female organs that were still there.

On Jack's side of the argument, if you want to pick the genes apart,
you can show it isn't clear cut XX or XY only.

This again shows the issue is not purely genetic.

We'd likely have to agree to rely on biologically what doctors will confirm is the
person's predominant gender, and go with that definition.

In the case of the man who gave birth, this father identifies as male,
dresses and presents as male, so was considered male.

If you take that argument on a national or worldwide audience, of course people would debate it.
what matters is if the couple has an agreement with their immediate community
how they want to be identified and treated. I recommend keeping this issues
local, where there is a better chance of resolving them. Rather than trying to
make a global issue of them, where as Chris and Jack show here, there are
too many different frames of reference, and people won't even agree where to start.
Of course you are going to argue in circles if you don't even agree on a common context.

Jack4jill if that is your point, that is clear from your exchange with Chris
that this is impossible to resolve without a common framework.

However, your insistence on calling her names like D B does not help
but distracts and discredits the good points you were trying to make.
I can hear what you are sharing, becuase I know ChrisL is NO D B.
She is very sharp and willing to discuss things very deeply, so I know better.

But your language made you look bad, when you had very good points.
Please don't let that get in the way of what you are trying to say!

 

[ChrisL]

No, you gave me an example of a person who had a genetic anomaly and didn't know it.

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

I just posted them!!! OMG. Lol.

Do you feel superior because you know how to post?

Shall I post it for you again?

 

[Lilah]

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

I just posted them!!! OMG. Lol.

Do you feel superior because you know how to post?

Are you for real?

lol

 

[Boss]

The reason here is simple, people will exploit that situation who are not transgender but want to gain access for other reasons.

There is absolutely nothing to show that this would be true? Nothing. It's right-wing fear mongering, plain and simple.

Nope... it's called COMMON SENSE..... plain and simple.

And it certainly IS true because it's already happening. There have been hundreds of reported cases around the country since this all started.

If it's common sense, what's an XY female, male or female?

If they have a penis, they are male... if they have a vagina, they are female. If they have both, they are hermaphrodites. Now the circus or carnival the hermaphrodites are in can deal with their own restrooms... not a problem. That leaves us with penises and vaginas... one goes in the mens room, one goes in the womens room. If there is any question as to whether you have a penis or vagina, the default is the mens room.

We do it like this so that women are protected from predators.

 

[Lilah]

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

I just posted them!!! OMG. Lol.

Do you feel superior because you know how to post?

Shall I post it for you again?

No, but thank you.

 

[ChrisL]

Nah, just with idiots.

So you have a problem with yourself then? A "transgender" is a person who has no physical or genetic anomalies, who has perfectly healthy and functioning genitals. Get it yet? A person who is born with a defect has a physical defect with their genitals as well as other health issues. These are two completely different things.

Have you written and published your findings in a medical journal yet?

I don't have to. Doctors already have.

Definition of transgender

1. : of, relating to, or being a person (as a transsexual or transvestite) who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that differs from the one which corresponds to the person's sex at birth

And what is a person's sex at birth, especially when we pick for them?

Dear Jack4jill ChrisL and Lilah
I can see Chris is going by the legal definition, as in Texas, which recognizes what is on the birth certificate.

Jack4jill you are arguing similarly to the Right to Life people who recognize human rights at conception,
while laws may recognize them at BIRTH.

Chris and Jack you would have to agree which realm you are going to frame this in.
Otherwise you will go in circles as legalistic liberals who are going by what the law says literally
versus what other sources are used to define things outside that framework.

Agree on a framework first.
Or take turns, discuss how this plays out using the legal definition of gender based on either
birth certificate or if doctors confirm someone passes as female after going through procedures.

Now on the side of ChrisL's argument
it has been argued that in sports, people who are transgender female have an unfair advantage
in some sports over females who are born female.
So it is argued that it is not fully fair to allow a MMA fight between a former man who can still
BREAK THE JAW of a female who wasn't born male and then changed.
This fits ChrisL's argument that no matter how much you change physically to female
there are going to be some things that are still male.
NOTE: there is at least one case of a male giving birth using female organs that were still there.

On Jack's side of the argument, if you want to pick the genes apart,
you can show it isn't clear cut XX or XY only.

This again shows the issue is not purely genetic.

We'd likely have to agree to rely on biologically what doctors will confirm is the
person's predominant gender, and go with that definition.

In the case of the man who gave birth, this father identifies as male,
dresses and presents as male, so was considered male.

If you take that argument on a national or worldwide audience, of course people would debate it.
what matters is if the couple has an agreement with their immediate community
how they want to be identified and treated. I recommend keeping this issues
local, where there is a better chance of resolving them. Rather than trying to
make a global issue of them, where as Chris and Jack show here, there are
too many different frames of reference, and people won't even agree where to start.
Of course you are going to argue in circles if you don't even agree on a common context.

Jack4jill if that is your point, that is clear from your exchange with Chris
that this is impossible to resolve without a common framework.

However, your insistence on calling her names like D B does not help
but distracts and discredits the good points you were trying to make.
I can hear what you are sharing, becuase I know ChrisL is NO D B.
She is very sharp and willing to discuss things very deeply, so I know better.

But your language made you look bad, when you had very good points.
Please don't let that get in the way of what you are trying to say!

Thanks Emily, for not thinking I'm a "D B." Lol.

She or he does not have any good points. This person is trying to equate genetic anomalies with transgenderism. Transgenders have normal sex organs and no genetic anomalies.

 

[emilynghiem]

No, you gave me an example of a person who had a genetic anomaly and didn't know it.

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

Because it has no brain. Lol.

A door has no brain, but it's not dumb because the idea of a door allows entrance and egress. Cereal could feed a starving child.
I think we all know the definition of dumb ... you.

Nobody here is dumb. We may be stubborn in defending our ideas.
But stubborn is not the same as stupid. It just makes us look that way sometimes!

 

[Lilah]

The reason here is simple, people will exploit that situation who are not transgender but want to gain access for other reasons.

There is absolutely nothing to show that this would be true? Nothing. It's right-wing fear mongering, plain and simple.

Nope... it's called COMMON SENSE..... plain and simple.

And it certainly IS true because it's already happening. There have been hundreds of reported cases around the country since this all started.

If it's common sense, what's an XY female, male or female?

If they have a penis, they are male... if they have a vagina, they are female. If they have both, they are hermaphrodites. Now the circus or carnival the hermaphrodites are in can deal with their own restrooms... not a problem. That leaves us with penises and vaginas... one goes in the mens room, one goes in the womens room. If there is any question as to whether you have a penis or vagina, the default is the mens room.

We do it like this so that women are protected from predators.

Andrew Wardle was born without a penis. Is he diseased?

 

[ChrisL]

Wwhat?

Holy crap. You are dumber than a box of cereal. Seriously.

Why is a box of cereal dumb. Do you have a link?

Because it has no brain. Lol.

A door has no brain, but it's not dumb because the idea of a door allows entrance and egress. Cereal could feed a starving child.
I think we all know the definition of dumb ... you.

Nobody here is dumb. We may be stubborn in defending our ideas.
But stubborn is not the same as stupid. It just makes us look that way sometimes!

No, some people are dumb. If they aren't dumb, then they are dishonest. That is different from "stubborn."

 

[Lilah]

So you have a problem with yourself then? A "transgender" is a person who has no physical or genetic anomalies, who has perfectly healthy and functioning genitals. Get it yet? A person who is born with a defect has a physical defect with their genitals as well as other health issues. These are two completely different things.

Have you written and published your findings in a medical journal yet?

I don't have to. Doctors already have.

Definition of transgender

1. : of, relating to, or being a person (as a transsexual or transvestite) who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that differs from the one which corresponds to the person's sex at birth

And what is a person's sex at birth, especially when we pick for them?

Dear Jack4jill ChrisL and Lilah
I can see Chris is going by the legal definition, as in Texas, which recognizes what is on the birth certificate.

Jack4jill you are arguing similarly to the Right to Life people who recognize human rights at conception,
while laws may recognize them at BIRTH.

Chris and Jack you would have to agree which realm you are going to frame this in.
Otherwise you will go in circles as legalistic liberals who are going by what the law says literally
versus what other sources are used to define things outside that framework.

Agree on a framework first.
Or take turns, discuss how this plays out using the legal definition of gender based on either
birth certificate or if doctors confirm someone passes as female after going through procedures.

Now on the side of ChrisL's argument
it has been argued that in sports, people who are transgender female have an unfair advantage
in some sports over females who are born female.
So it is argued that it is not fully fair to allow a MMA fight between a former man who can still
BREAK THE JAW of a female who wasn't born male and then changed.
This fits ChrisL's argument that no matter how much you change physically to female
there are going to be some things that are still male.
NOTE: there is at least one case of a male giving birth using female organs that were still there.

On Jack's side of the argument, if you want to pick the genes apart,
you can show it isn't clear cut XX or XY only.

This again shows the issue is not purely genetic.

We'd likely have to agree to rely on biologically what doctors will confirm is the
person's predominant gender, and go with that definition.

In the case of the man who gave birth, this father identifies as male,
dresses and presents as male, so was considered male.

If you take that argument on a national or worldwide audience, of course people would debate it.
what matters is if the couple has an agreement with their immediate community
how they want to be identified and treated. I recommend keeping this issues
local, where there is a better chance of resolving them. Rather than trying to
make a global issue of them, where as Chris and Jack show here, there are
too many different frames of reference, and people won't even agree where to start.
Of course you are going to argue in circles if you don't even agree on a common context.

Jack4jill if that is your point, that is clear from your exchange with Chris
that this is impossible to resolve without a common framework.

However, your insistence on calling her names like D B does not help
but distracts and discredits the good points you were trying to make.
I can hear what you are sharing, becuase I know ChrisL is NO D B.
She is very sharp and willing to discuss things very deeply, so I know better.

But your language made you look bad, when you had very good points.
Please don't let that get in the way of what you are trying to say!

Thanks Emily, for not thinking I'm a "D B." Lol.

She or he does not have any good points. This person is trying to equate genetic anomalies with transgenderism. Transgenders have normal sex organs and no genetic anomalies.

Stop it, already.