Europeans don't do this

[gallantwarrior]

Let's look at people in my age group (Boomers) who grew up in a world where corporal punishment was administered at home and school, we were exposed to far less violent entertainment, we were held to higher standards of behavior and performance, and generally taught to take responsibility for ourselves. Compare us to today's young people (Millennials?), most of whom have little experience with tangible punishment, have been over-exposed to all manner of increasingly graphic violent entertainment, have been trained to believe that they are owed pretty much whatever they want, and who have been relieved of personal responsibility. Now, explain please, just how does corporal punishment damage children?

 

[SteadyMercury]

Why do Americans like violence so much?

Thank you very much for today's lesson in basic logical fallacies, great example.

Tomorrow we'll be covering the Persian Empire's defeat at Marathon.

 

[zeke]

Let's look at people in my age group (Boomers) who grew up in a world where corporal punishment was administered at home and school, we were exposed to far less violent entertainment, we were held to higher standards of behavior and performance, and generally taught to take responsibility for ourselves. Compare us to today's young people (Millennials?), most of whom have little experience with tangible punishment, have been over-exposed to all manner of increasingly graphic violent entertainment, have been trained to believe that they are owed pretty much whatever they want, and who have been relieved of personal responsibility. Now, explain please, just how does corporal punishment damage children?

I am a boomer. I had plenty of exposure to violent entertainment. Played Army almost every day for a long time.
Watched the body count from Vietnam on the TV for a long time to. Had to practice duck and cover drills cause I lived close to a SAC base. Got to watch American cities burning and thousands of protesters marching. All those people with violence on their minds. I loved to fight by appointment or on the spur of the moment. And I was beat semi regularly. Didn't do me a bit of good that I can tell.

On the other hand. I swatted one kid one time. Raised three. And they are all what you claim we boomers used to be. Held to high standards of achievement. And expected to succeed on their own. And they have never been beat.

Corporal punishment was not the answer for me. Or my kids.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Let's look at people in my age group (Boomers) who grew up in a world where corporal punishment was administered at home and school, we were exposed to far less violent entertainment, we were held to higher standards of behavior and performance, and generally taught to take responsibility for ourselves. Compare us to today's young people (Millennials?), most of whom have little experience with tangible punishment, have been over-exposed to all manner of increasingly graphic violent entertainment, have been trained to believe that they are owed pretty much whatever they want, and who have been relieved of personal responsibility. Now, explain please, just how does corporal punishment damage children?

Because being hit produces violence and depression in children, and we have the studies to prove it. We aren't talking about swatting a toddler once on the backside with an open hand for running into the street, we're talking about beating a kid with a board in a setting where they are supposed to be protected and learning about society. They're learning alright, that you are up against the wall, literally.

 

[Esmeralda]

Why do Americans like violence so much?

Because we are a violent people. We believe in using violence to resolve issues. We do not respect people who support nonviolence, they are considered weak. All of which plays out on the bodies of our children. As a Native American once commented to another after watching a while man whip a child, you can't make peace with savages. He was correct.

As an aside, we do not teach classroom management or child psychology to our teachers. Since I have schools as clients I can tell you first-hand that their classroom control generally sucks. This country doesn't respect education or teachers, and it shows in the kids, that we beat.

Teachers are, in fact, taught classroom management and child psychology, as part of their degree program in education and on an ongoing basis in professional development courses.

I do agree with you that the US does not respect education or teachers. In all the countries that apparently do better in educating their children, educators do have unions, and, as well, teachers are highly respected and education highly valued.

It is an educational setting in which children and parents ask what grade was earned where schools do well. It is an eductional setting in which children and parents ask what grade did I (or he/she) get where schools do poorly.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why do Americans like violence so much?

Because we are a violent people. We believe in using violence to resolve issues. We do not respect people who support nonviolence, they are considered weak. All of which plays out on the bodies of our children. As a Native American once commented to another after watching a while man whip a child, you can't make peace with savages. He was correct.

As an aside, we do not teach classroom management or child psychology to our teachers. Since I have schools as clients I can tell you first-hand that their classroom control generally sucks. This country doesn't respect education or teachers, and it shows in the kids, that we beat.

Teachers are, in fact, taught classroom management and child psychology, as part of their degree program in education and on an ongoing basis in professional development courses.

Good to know. Okay, then we aren't teaching enough based upon what I see, but I was subjected to a room full of 7th graders yesterday so my perspective is slightly altered at the moment. What a bunch of little monsters.

 

[Geaux4it]

Corporal punishment is an effective tool

-Geaux

No, it's isn't, but it works for 30 seconds and makes you feel better.

if fat-boy and Trayvon had to go 'see the coach' maybe they would of learned the difference between right and wrong and that there are consequences for actions

-Geaux

Simple answers for simple minds. Give us the Never Did Me Any Harm part next.

No, it doesn't harm.. It helps teach life skills, along with strong parenting of course.

it takes a village. lol

-Geaux

Right on time. Being hit teaches life-skills. No, but it does teach that big people hit little people. That's certainly true enough here.

Never knew so many liked getting 'swats' from the coach. I didn't care so much for it to want to go see him again.

-Geaux

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No, it's isn't, but it works for 30 seconds and makes you feel better.

if fat-boy and Trayvon had to go 'see the coach' maybe they would of learned the difference between right and wrong and that there are consequences for actions

-Geaux

Simple answers for simple minds. Give us the Never Did Me Any Harm part next.

No, it doesn't harm.. It helps teach life skills, along with strong parenting of course.

it takes a village. lol

-Geaux

Right on time. Being hit teaches life-skills. No, but it does teach that big people hit little people. That's certainly true enough here.

Never knew so many liked getting 'swats' from the coach. I didn't care so much for it to want to go see him again.

-Geaux

Another benefit of beating kids, gay spanking porn
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Whin-KDRG4c/UiEGsr-g0tI/AAAAAAAAmWo/iNwF-EikY3I/s1600/ryan105.jpg

 

[rightwinger]

Johnny can't read....but at least he can take a beating

 

[Esmeralda]

Why do Americans like violence so much?

Because we are a violent people. We believe in using violence to resolve issues. We do not respect people who support nonviolence, they are considered weak. All of which plays out on the bodies of our children. As a Native American once commented to another after watching a while man whip a child, you can't make peace with savages. He was correct.

As an aside, we do not teach classroom management or child psychology to our teachers. Since I have schools as clients I can tell you first-hand that their classroom control generally sucks. This country doesn't respect education or teachers, and it shows in the kids, that we beat.

Teachers are, in fact, taught classroom management and child psychology, as part of their degree program in education and on an ongoing basis in professional development courses.

Good to know. Okay, then we aren't teaching enough based upon what I see, but I was subjected to a room full of 7th graders yesterday so my perspective is slightly altered at the moment. What a bunch of little monsters.

It depends on what the lesson was or the teacher's expectations. Some teachers can function well in what appears to others to be complete chaos. And when the results come out, exams/testing, her kids do as well as any others. I propose that unless you are an experienced teacher, you can't judge if a teacher has appropriate control over her class. Kids no longer sit in silence in straight rows with the teacher up front lecturing to them. Hands on, active lessons are what is more often than not in effect these days. Active rather than passive learning.

Of course, the teacher you observed may have just had poor classroom control skills. That is always possible.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why do Americans like violence so much?

Because we are a violent people. We believe in using violence to resolve issues. We do not respect people who support nonviolence, they are considered weak. All of which plays out on the bodies of our children. As a Native American once commented to another after watching a while man whip a child, you can't make peace with savages. He was correct.

As an aside, we do not teach classroom management or child psychology to our teachers. Since I have schools as clients I can tell you first-hand that their classroom control generally sucks. This country doesn't respect education or teachers, and it shows in the kids, that we beat.

Teachers are, in fact, taught classroom management and child psychology, as part of their degree program in education and on an ongoing basis in professional development courses.

Good to know. Okay, then we aren't teaching enough based upon what I see, but I was subjected to a room full of 7th graders yesterday so my perspective is slightly altered at the moment. What a bunch of little monsters.

It depends on what the lesson was or the teacher's expectations. Some teachers can function well in what appears to others to be complete chaos. And when the results come out, exams/testing, her kids do as well as any others. I propose that unless you are an experienced teacher, you can't judge if a teacher has appropriate control over her class. Kids no longer sit in silence in straight rows with the teacher up front lecuturing to them. Hands on, active lessons are what is more often than not in effect these days.

When the teacher has to yell at the kids, I'm pretty sure I can judge but your points are taken and I see both the good and the bad chaos. I can't deal with either and never considered teaching.

 

[zeke]

Johnny can't read....but at least he can take a beating

Johnny learned how to administer a beating too. Two sides to the same coin.

 

[rightwinger]

Johnny can't read....but at least he can take a beating

Johnny learned how to administer a beating too. Two sides to the same coin.

Maybe when Johnny grows up he can beat defenseless children too

 

[Geaux4it]

Johnny can't read....but at least he can take a beating

Johnny learned how to administer a beating too. Two sides to the same coin.

Maybe when Johnny grows up he can beat defenseless children too

really? LMAO

-Geaux

 

[Roadrunner]

What is wrong with American educators?

Amercans don't do this.

 

[rightwinger]

Johnny can't read....but at least he can take a beating

Johnny learned how to administer a beating too. Two sides to the same coin.

Maybe when Johnny grows up he can beat defenseless children too

really? LMAO

-Geaux

Valuable life skill.....might makes right
If you can't make your point verbally, do it physically

 

[Roadrunner]

What is wrong with American educators?

This is a lie. Most public schools in America do not allow corporal punishment. If it is allowed, it's most likely schools in the Bible Belt. It is not typical for corporal punishment to be taking place in American public schools. If it is, blame it on the right.

Individual US states have the power to ban corporal punishment in their schools. Currently, it is banned in public schools in 31 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. In two of these states, New Jersey and Iowa, it is illegal in private schools as well. The 19 states that have not banned it are mostly in the South. It is still used to a significant (though declining)degree in some public schools in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.

wiki

By far, it mostly takes place in conservative states, red states.

I was always with parental consent, and a signed form on record, every place I ever taught.

It is not very productive though.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

What is wrong with American educators?

Amercans don't do this.

Oh but they do...

 

[zeke]

Maybe when Johnny grows up he can beat defenseless children too

Funny how when I got big enough to not be defenseless, the belt beatings stopped. And I only got punched once
by my Dad.

But to be fair, when I got 17, 18 years old and my own fights got more serious, my Dad did back me up a couple times with a gun in his hand. Even the odds kinda thing.

It was rather entertaining growing up. If you liked fighting.

 

[gallantwarrior]

if fat-boy and Trayvon had to go 'see the coach' maybe they would of learned the difference between right and wrong and that there are consequences for actions

-Geaux

Simple answers for simple minds. Give us the Never Did Me Any Harm part next.

No, it doesn't harm.. It helps teach life skills, along with strong parenting of course.

it takes a village. lol

-Geaux

Right on time. Being hit teaches life-skills. No, but it does teach that big people hit little people. That's certainly true enough here.

Never knew so many liked getting 'swats' from the coach. I didn't care so much for it to want to go see him again.

-Geaux

Another benefit of beating kids, gay spanking porn
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Whin-KDRG4c/UiEGsr-g0tI/AAAAAAAAmWo/iNwF-EikY3I/s1600/ryan105.jpg

I'll have to trust your word for that link. It figures you would know where to look for gay spanking porn, though.