Evangelicals explain their support for Trump. It's the racism that stands out.

[Yousaidwhat]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

Donald Trump seems the farthest any person with Christian values would support

Yup! A big part of why I left the church was hateful people such as these (both in the article, and on this board). The fact that they can make excuses for all the hatred and ugliness just helps me to understand - there is no God. He's just a bludgeon they use to try to get their way.

Disgusting gits.

So good to know I'm an Agnostic so I can associate you with a multitude of hypocrites who bludgeon those you despise with your sanctimonious providence.

30 years with the Assembly of a God you reject...

Tell me, hypocrite...

When were you taught in this "Assembly of God" to despise those you disagree with?

When were you taught in this "Assembly of God" to ridicule and insult those who have a different view that fails to align with your ideology?

Did you just go to this "Assembly of God" to wear those fine clothes you purchased to "Flaunt" your superiority, then go home and reject your Religion, and live a different life?

Regale me with your "Superiority!"

 

[bodecea]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

Donald Trump seems the farthest any person with Christian values would support

Yup! A big part of why I left the church was hateful people such as these (both in the article, and on this board). The fact that they can make excuses for all the hatred and ugliness just helps me to understand - there is no God. He's just a bludgeon they use to try to get their way.

Disgusting gits.

So good to know I'm an Agnostic so I can associate you with a multitude of hypocrites who bludgeon those you despise with your sanctimonious providence.

30 years with the Assembly of a God you reject...

Tell me, hypocrite...

When were you taught in this "Assembly of God" to despise those you disagree with?

When were you taught to ridicule and insult those who have a different view that fails to align with your ideology?

Did you just go to this "Assembly of God" to wear those fine clothes you purchased to "Proove" your superiority, then go home and reject you Religion, and live a different life?

Regale me with your "Superiority!"

Uh Oh....someone's feeling a little persecuted.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

Donald Trump seems the farthest any person with Christian values would support

Yup! A big part of why I left the church was hateful people such as these (both in the article, and on this board). The fact that they can make excuses for all the hatred and ugliness just helps me to understand - there is no God. He's just a bludgeon they use to try to get their way.

Disgusting gits.

So good to know I'm an Agnostic so I can associate you with a multitude of hypocrites who bludgeon those you despise with your sanctimonious providence.

30 years with the Assembly of a God you reject...

Tell me, hypocrite...

When were you taught in this "Assembly of God" to despise those you disagree with?

When were you taught to ridicule and insult those who have a different view that fails to align with your ideology?

Did you just go to this "Assembly of God" to wear those fine clothes you purchased to "Proove" your superiority, then go home and reject you Religion, and live a different life?

Regale me with your "Superiority!"

Uh Oh....someone's feeling a little persecuted.

Persecuted?

I have no Cross to bear...

No guilt...

No animosity...

You...

Like Witchit...

Are pulling a ball and chain and fail to realize this burden is of your own design.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Adultery. Casinos. Beauty pageants. Greed. Lust. Envy. Porn stars. Multiple marriages. Fraudulent ripoff schools. Vodka. Pussy grabbing. Pathological lying. Daily false witnessing.
What's an evangelical not to like?

Trump wasn't trying to be elected Pope.

No one said he was.

But plenty of people actually believe this fuckwit was sent by God. That's some seriously deluded thinking.

But... but... but ...""The Messiah"

@TheMessiahSong

#mylegstingle

#wearetheoneswevebeenwaitingfor

 

[Correll]

Sure they would. Being warlike and being suicidal do not go hand in hand.

I asked, what countries have been invaded by Muslims
You mocked....Are you serious?

I am still waiting for a reply. The far right constantly claims Islam is a religion of war

I asked you a simple question.....show me

There are six Islamic States and dozens more that are Muslim majority

Show where they are waging war on non Muslim states

Why the qualifier? If a muslim state wars against a muslim state it is still war, thus undermining the claim to be a religion of peace.

Sure they would. Being warlike and being suicidal do not go hand in hand.

I asked, what countries have been invaded by Muslims
You mocked....Are you serious?

I am still waiting for a reply. The far right constantly claims Islam is a religion of war

I asked you a simple question.....show me

There are six Islamic States and dozens more that are Muslim majority

Show where they are waging war on non Muslim states

Why the qualifier? If a muslim state wars against a muslim state it is still war, thus undermining the claim to be a religion of peace.

FAIL

You claim Muslims are waging war to spread their religion
Yet you can’t point out any examples where they did it

No, I ridiculed the idea that they are a Religion of Peace and commented on how they HAD spread their religion by sword and fire.


I've seen this with you before, an inability to understand the concept of time.


Pull yourself together and don't waste my time, with stupid fucking games.

FAIL

Show us something recent to back your claim

Sure, here you go.


Arab–Israeli conflict - Wikipedia

 

[Correll]

He claimed Islam is against killing of enemy soldiers? LOL!!!!!!

Yes he did

The US Supreme Court agreed with him

Well, that is stupid on him, and them.

Ali could have easily claimed he had heel spurs

But he risked all for his religious objections

His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

he didn't shit his pants & got a 4-F like a draft dodging mediocre guitar player/pedophile.

Do you realize that "Yeah, but" is an admission of my point?


Re Ali.


His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

 

[playtime]

Yes he did

The US Supreme Court agreed with him

Well, that is stupid on him, and them.

Ali could have easily claimed he had heel spurs

But he risked all for his religious objections

His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

he didn't shit his pants & got a 4-F like a draft dodging mediocre guitar player/pedophile.

Do you realize that "Yeah, but" is an admission of my point?


Re Ali.


His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

he went to jail for them; gave up his freedom & his career.

my point stands.

 

[Correll]

Well, that is stupid on him, and them.

Ali could have easily claimed he had heel spurs

But he risked all for his religious objections

His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

he didn't shit his pants & got a 4-F like a draft dodging mediocre guitar player/pedophile.

Do you realize that "Yeah, but" is an admission of my point?


Re Ali.


His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

he went to jail for them; gave up his freedom & his career.

my point stands.

He should have served more time. ANd it is good that society hurt his career.

 

[playtime]

Ali could have easily claimed he had heel spurs

But he risked all for his religious objections

His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

he didn't shit his pants & got a 4-F like a draft dodging mediocre guitar player/pedophile.

Do you realize that "Yeah, but" is an admission of my point?


Re Ali.


His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

he went to jail for them; gave up his freedom & his career.

my point stands.

He should have served more time. ANd it is good that society hurt his career.

but he didn't serve more time, did he? &, besides- the pants shitting draft dodging mediocre guitar playing pedophile served no time because of his cowardice to stand up to his convictions.

lol... perhaps he'll go to the whitehouse & get a medal from president tinkles someday... ha! who am i kidding?

i wonder what the motor city 4-F madman was doing in 1981 besides boinking underage girls?

certainly not anything like this...

 

[pismoe]

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.
Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.
What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

Always quite humorous when atheist liberals like you try to lecture Christian people about their faith and how they should practice it. ... ...

-------------------------------------------- that is the funniest thing about these lefties and then the simple fact that they think of themselves as Christian Sunni .

 

[pismoe]

Adultery. Casinos. Beauty pageants. Greed. Lust. Envy. Porn stars. Multiple marriages. Fraudulent ripoff schools. Vodka. Pussy grabbing. Pathological lying. Daily false witnessing.
What's an evangelical not to like?

Trump wasn't trying to be elected Pope.

No one said he was.

But plenty of people actually believe this fuckwit was sent by God. That's some seriously deluded thinking.

--------------------------- TRUMP is the best of all that he ran against and defeated . Ted Cruz may have also been ok G5000

 

[rightwinger]

I asked, what countries have been invaded by Muslims
You mocked....Are you serious?

I am still waiting for a reply. The far right constantly claims Islam is a religion of war

I asked you a simple question.....show me

There are six Islamic States and dozens more that are Muslim majority

Show where they are waging war on non Muslim states

Why the qualifier? If a muslim state wars against a muslim state it is still war, thus undermining the claim to be a religion of peace.

I asked, what countries have been invaded by Muslims
You mocked....Are you serious?

I am still waiting for a reply. The far right constantly claims Islam is a religion of war

I asked you a simple question.....show me

There are six Islamic States and dozens more that are Muslim majority

Show where they are waging war on non Muslim states

Why the qualifier? If a muslim state wars against a muslim state it is still war, thus undermining the claim to be a religion of peace.

FAIL

You claim Muslims are waging war to spread their religion
Yet you can’t point out any examples where they did it

No, I ridiculed the idea that they are a Religion of Peace and commented on how they HAD spread their religion by sword and fire.


I've seen this with you before, an inability to understand the concept of time.


Pull yourself together and don't waste my time, with stupid fucking games.

FAIL

Show us something recent to back your claim

Sure, here you go.


Arab–Israeli conflict - Wikipedia

Egypt was run by the military they were not an Islamic State

 

[rightwinger]

Yes he did

The US Supreme Court agreed with him

Well, that is stupid on him, and them.

Ali could have easily claimed he had heel spurs

But he risked all for his religious objections

His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

he didn't shit his pants & got a 4-F like a draft dodging mediocre guitar player/pedophile.

Do you realize that "Yeah, but" is an admission of my point?


Re Ali.


His religious objections were bullshit. HIs racist objections were bullshit.


He openly refused to serve his nation, when called.


He deserved to be fucked.

Ali was a devout Muslim to the point of changing his name.

 

[Sunni Man]

Erdogan was elected president because he promised to *MTGA* ...

(* Make Turkey Great Again*)

 

[pismoe]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

------------------------------------------------------ JUDGING people concerning their Eternal condition or reward or punishment is a very unChristian thing to do isn't it ?? I always heard that only God should Judge Witchit .

 

[martybegan]

Not true. The whole "give an inch take a mile" thing is how the progressives justify their overreaching laws.

Good luck with that. Try denying a point of sale item "just because"

Absolutists are the scourge of the earth.

You keep talking about businesses burying themselves when they don't have to ...
Mainly because your ideas require absolutes ...

If you want to run a business that intends to limit the ability for anyone to exercise their freedoms ...
Whether those freedoms are religious or lifestyle ...
Then shut the fuck up when in blows up in your face.

If you, for some stupid reason, feel the need to bring the authorities into the matter ...
Instead of using the market conditions available at your disposal and some common sense ...
To tailor the business you want to conduct, with the clients you want to conduct business with ...
Then suffer with the crumbs of your failures and at the hands of government, the market, or the community.

All I ever said is that business can get along fine without any of the nefarious pleas to government ...
To overcome an obstacle people like you just don't have the wherewithal to better manage on their own.

Inches are given and taken ... When you are stupid enough to leave the directions up to the discretion of someone else.

.​

What "pleas to the government"? The government is what is causing the problem. The courts are the solution.

 

[martybegan]

And what exactly has the government done to them that was the result of singling them out from the rest of the public?

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Employment Division v. Smith, in which Justice Scalia wrote for the majority:

Yes. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, observed that the Court has never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that government is free to regulate. Allowing exceptions to every state law or regulation affecting religion "would open the prospect of constitutionally required exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind." Scalia cited as examples compulsory military service, payment of taxes, vaccination requirements, and child-neglect laws.
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There is a difference between taxes, military service, child laws and forcing someone to provide a non time sensitive, non-crucial contracted service.

And even Scalia can be wrong sometimes.

And when remedies are made, as in the case of pacifists and military service, they are given other options, such as being a medic, or some other non combat role.

They aren't forced to bear arms against someone else, they are just required to serve. That is the least invasive method of resolving the issue.

"bake or else" is not the least invasive method.

It was extremely hard to get conscientious-objective status during the Vietnam War. A great number of objectors had to flee to Canada. The singer Joan Baez, a Quaker Christian, did jail time for refusing to pay taxes that went to finance the war, as did her husband. I doubt that these current "objectors" would be willing to do jail time. I think that this little cake-baker shit would ever have to guts to go to jail. He just wants to be mollycoddled. He obviously is not ready to make any sacrifice for his religion, much less sacrifice his life. Poor, poor dear.

mohamed ali stood by his convictions & went to jail. he was a bigger man than most 'stand behind the cross' warriors..

So you want to make not baking a cake a crime instead of just a civil violation?

Fascist.

you are an idiot. stfu.

Awww, does playbitich have a sadz?

 

[martybegan]

That was for overall, not joining objector. Being a medic was an easier route, and usually even more dangerous. And a lot of people faked objector status in Vietnam as opposed to WWII.

And now your anti-religious bias shows, wow, it only took 4 posts.

And refusing taxes is different then saying "I don't want to fight". Again plenty of medics in WWII were objectors, they still went there and risked their lives.

What "anti-religious bias"? What exaggeration! Do you except all faiths in the world? It sounds like you are likely recruit for the Taliban or ISIS. Perhaps you are some Haredi guy who gets on an El-Al flight and actually expects another passenger to move because he needs to sit his fat butt down and he won't sit next to a woman.

Religion is a choice, and people who choose to adhere to religions that have out-of-the-ordinary restrictions need to make plans for themselves. It is not anyone else's responsibility to take up the slack or take their shit. The rest of the general public have things that they have to get done, too. If you follow such a religion, figure out how to follow it in modern society without involving anyone else.

If you have to equate not baking a cake in one specific situation with ISIS, you lost the argument.

El Al of all airlines should expect this stuff and try to accomodate. If they can't, then the Hasidic guy has the option to get off the plane.

So you basically want Religion to "get back into the fucking closet"?

Interesting.

Who ever said that. Not all religions are the same. Even considering only the Abrahamic faiths, Jews, Christians, and Muslims, are all divided into separate religions according to their differences in beliefs. There is a very large difference between a southern baptist or an assembly of god and an orthodox.
What I'm saying is that it is up to a practitioner of any religion to make plans for dealing with mainstream society. For example, if one is Jewish or Muslim, don't get a job in a meatpacking plant that handles pork. Please don't apply for a job in a meatpacking plant if you are a vegetarian Hindu.The general public is not obligated in any way to cater to anyone of these people or go around them. It's the attempts by some of these groups to shift the burden of their beliefs on to others that is the problem.

I've seen these cases:

• Seventh Day Adventist can't work on Saturday, but accepts a job at a 24/7 manufacturing company. The labor contract goes by seniority in terms of who gets weekends off. No. He doesn't get to skip to the top of the seniority list. Should a co-worker be required to give up Saturday and work in his place? NOT
• Flight attendant converts to Islam and then refuses to serve alcohol on board. At first, her colleagues took over and then got tired of doing it and complained. Now she's suing her employer.
• Jewish woman manages office that closed at six. Then she wants to leave work on Friday in winter in time to make it home to light the Sabbath candles at sundown and complete the prayers that will lead her family into the Sabbath celebration, as it is tradition that the family matriarch does this. NOPE.

The burden falls on the individual. I have lived within blocks of Orthodox Jewish families, who walked to services on Saturdays and hired people to come switch on their lights when they could not and warm their food, cooked the day before. I have lived near an Amish market that was open from Thursdays through Saturdays, where Amish sold their cheeses, meats, jellies, pretzels. They cannot drive motor vehicles that would bring them down to the DC area from Pennsylvania or wherever, so they hired drivers and trucks.

The people you defend want to push their burdens onto others, yet these burdens are of their own choosing.

Why should a person who owns their own business be forced to provide a good or service they don't want to provide? All of your examples are about employers and employees, not a private business wholly owned by a certain persons or person.

In the cases above, the worst thing that happens is the person loses their job. They are not fined for their acts, they are not told they can never work again in a field similar to the one they just got fired from. In the cake cases the government has said either bake a cake for this, or never bake cakes again. And by the way here's a 400k fine for hurting someone's feelings.

What the people I "defend' want to do is not provide one particular type of service, and just that one. They all agree that they can't deny walk in/generic/point of sale items to people just because they are gay. They just don't want to be part of a ceremony they find sinful and against their religion.

This service is non critical, it is not time-sensitive, and it can easily be gotten by another provider. This is not about accommodation by employers as you state above, this is about a person's freedom to engage in commerce and not have to violate their morals. The government can have a say in which cases are valid or not, but based on the 1st amendment and free exercise, they must defer to a person's religious exercise unless a compelling government interest can be found. And even then they must rectify the situation using the least intrusive method possible.

if a public business that enjoys tax breaks because of the taxpayers of the city & state should not have the right to be bigots.

I guess I forgot the part of the Constitution that says you lose your 1st amendment rights due to tax breaks.....

 

[dblack]

What "anti-religious bias"? What exaggeration! Do you except all faiths in the world? It sounds like you are likely recruit for the Taliban or ISIS. Perhaps you are some Haredi guy who gets on an El-Al flight and actually expects another passenger to move because he needs to sit his fat butt down and he won't sit next to a woman.

Religion is a choice, and people who choose to adhere to religions that have out-of-the-ordinary restrictions need to make plans for themselves. It is not anyone else's responsibility to take up the slack or take their shit. The rest of the general public have things that they have to get done, too. If you follow such a religion, figure out how to follow it in modern society without involving anyone else.

If you have to equate not baking a cake in one specific situation with ISIS, you lost the argument.

El Al of all airlines should expect this stuff and try to accomodate. If they can't, then the Hasidic guy has the option to get off the plane.

So you basically want Religion to "get back into the fucking closet"?

Interesting.

Who ever said that. Not all religions are the same. Even considering only the Abrahamic faiths, Jews, Christians, and Muslims, are all divided into separate religions according to their differences in beliefs. There is a very large difference between a southern baptist or an assembly of god and an orthodox.
What I'm saying is that it is up to a practitioner of any religion to make plans for dealing with mainstream society. For example, if one is Jewish or Muslim, don't get a job in a meatpacking plant that handles pork. Please don't apply for a job in a meatpacking plant if you are a vegetarian Hindu.The general public is not obligated in any way to cater to anyone of these people or go around them. It's the attempts by some of these groups to shift the burden of their beliefs on to others that is the problem.

I've seen these cases:

• Seventh Day Adventist can't work on Saturday, but accepts a job at a 24/7 manufacturing company. The labor contract goes by seniority in terms of who gets weekends off. No. He doesn't get to skip to the top of the seniority list. Should a co-worker be required to give up Saturday and work in his place? NOT
• Flight attendant converts to Islam and then refuses to serve alcohol on board. At first, her colleagues took over and then got tired of doing it and complained. Now she's suing her employer.
• Jewish woman manages office that closed at six. Then she wants to leave work on Friday in winter in time to make it home to light the Sabbath candles at sundown and complete the prayers that will lead her family into the Sabbath celebration, as it is tradition that the family matriarch does this. NOPE.

The burden falls on the individual. I have lived within blocks of Orthodox Jewish families, who walked to services on Saturdays and hired people to come switch on their lights when they could not and warm their food, cooked the day before. I have lived near an Amish market that was open from Thursdays through Saturdays, where Amish sold their cheeses, meats, jellies, pretzels. They cannot drive motor vehicles that would bring them down to the DC area from Pennsylvania or wherever, so they hired drivers and trucks.

The people you defend want to push their burdens onto others, yet these burdens are of their own choosing.

Why should a person who owns their own business be forced to provide a good or service they don't want to provide? All of your examples are about employers and employees, not a private business wholly owned by a certain persons or person.

In the cases above, the worst thing that happens is the person loses their job. They are not fined for their acts, they are not told they can never work again in a field similar to the one they just got fired from. In the cake cases the government has said either bake a cake for this, or never bake cakes again. And by the way here's a 400k fine for hurting someone's feelings.

What the people I "defend' want to do is not provide one particular type of service, and just that one. They all agree that they can't deny walk in/generic/point of sale items to people just because they are gay. They just don't want to be part of a ceremony they find sinful and against their religion.

This service is non critical, it is not time-sensitive, and it can easily be gotten by another provider. This is not about accommodation by employers as you state above, this is about a person's freedom to engage in commerce and not have to violate their morals. The government can have a say in which cases are valid or not, but based on the 1st amendment and free exercise, they must defer to a person's religious exercise unless a compelling government interest can be found. And even then they must rectify the situation using the least intrusive method possible.

if a public business that enjoys tax breaks because of the taxpayers of the city & state should not have the right to be bigots.

I guess I forgot the part of the Constitution that says you lose your 1st amendment rights due to tax breaks.....

They're playing this game across the board. Forcing "benefits" on us, and then using them to justify stripping us of our rights. This is exactly why libertarians opposed the "benefits" in the first place.

 

[Lysistrata]

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.
Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.
What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

Always quite humorous when atheist liberals like you try to lecture Christian people about their faith and how they should practice it. ... ...

-------------------------------------------- that is the funniest thing about these lefties and then the simple fact that they think of themselves as Christian Sunni .

The Christian faith is not aligned with politics. People who follow the religions that make up what is known as "Christianity" hold views that are all over the political spectrum. Being a Christian is by no means synonymous with being a "conservative" or a right-winger. Apples and oranges. There is no equation there. In fact, all of our presidential candidates have been Christian in every election in my lifetime. Last time around, I voted for the Methodist.