Norman
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- Sep 24, 2010
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What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.
The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.
The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.
If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.
If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.
But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.
If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....
If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.
I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.
Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?
If you don't like American freedom I suggest you step out and go live in some shithole that never contributed anything to the world.
You are confused. I like American freedom. I fully support for example, the right of two same sex adults to marry. It's seems to be you that seem to think freedom only applies to specific groups and the rest should leave. We, Americans, aren't going to leave just because you do not like us.
America needs to start taking Americanism seriously again. Idiots vote for other people's stuff not for freedom. Garry meandering is stupid, instead revamp democracy all together. Only net tax payers or something to that effect should vote. No more loser vote voting free shit for itself. That shit has ruined EVERY country it has touched.
1. How do you define "Americanism"?
2. I hate gerrymandering (something both sides do) - we might have an iota of agreement here. What do you mean by "revamp democracy altogether"?
3. So...you are proposing that only those who pay taxes have a right to vote? Woah. What about those who are self sufficient? Disabled? They can't vote either? Taxation without representation?
Even China has figured out that you can't let children decide how other people should live. It is very stupid. And for that they are in a much better position for 2000s than the West.
No one is letting children decide anything.
"I love American freedom!"
"How do you define Americanism?"
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No, you are a leftist who HATES freedoms and loves free shit provided at the expense of other people.
And yes, these people are children compared to normal functional adults. One part of Americanism is to not let such people vote at all, it is akin to children voting what a household should do. And why is that? Because they hate freedom.