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The only glaring error is a system that pays Ed Scumbag Hanaway 72 million dollars for finding ways to let people die after they paid for health insurance.
Most decent societies, he'd be spat upon in the street.
But you're all so fine with this...
It's easier to demonize when you get your facts wrong.
It's easy to demonize when you do demonic things... If you want to get a real inside look at the medical insurance industry, look up Wendell Potter. He exposes the whole reeking mess.
It's easier to demonize when you get your facts wrong.
It's easy to demonize when you do demonic things... If you want to get a real inside look at the medical insurance industry, look up Wendell Potter. He exposes the whole reeking mess.
Right. But first we have to have an honest discussion. When you act like the end justifies the means and blatantly make up shit, deflecting away to your end undermines your argument to everyone other than the most partisan hacks.
It's easy to demonize when you do demonic things... If you want to get a real inside look at the medical insurance industry, look up Wendell Potter. He exposes the whole reeking mess.
Right. But first we have to have an honest discussion. When you act like the end justifies the means and blatantly make up shit, deflecting away to your end undermines your argument to everyone other than the most partisan hacks.
Um, guy, only deflecting is being done by you.
Because they called it a "salary" instead of a "profit" doesn't mean they aren't making extreme profits.
Cigna's revenues are about 13 billion, and they found enough money to pay old Ed Hanaway 72 Billion. So that was about .5% of their total revenue, just to pay Ed not to work there anymore. So that wasn't profit, oh, no, no no. And Cigna has hundreds of executives, who unlike Wendal Potter, are totally good with not paying for Natalie's liver transplant.
You know, once in a while you actually get close to admitting our system is evil, before you realize you are profiting off the evil.
Right. But first we have to have an honest discussion. When you act like the end justifies the means and blatantly make up shit, deflecting away to your end undermines your argument to everyone other than the most partisan hacks.
Um, guy, only deflecting is being done by you.
Because they called it a "salary" instead of a "profit" doesn't mean they aren't making extreme profits.
Cigna's revenues are about 13 billion, and they found enough money to pay old Ed Hanaway 72 Billion. So that was about .5% of their total revenue, just to pay Ed not to work there anymore. So that wasn't profit, oh, no, no no. And Cigna has hundreds of executives, who unlike Wendal Potter, are totally good with not paying for Natalie's liver transplant.
You know, once in a while you actually get close to admitting our system is evil, before you realize you are profiting off the evil.
Still a long long way from the 20% profit margin you were bullshitting about.
Go to Los Angeles and sit in a waiting-room and you'll realize why health care in America is so expensive.
Absolutely.
But your solution would be to let them die in the street because they're brown.
Mine would be to make sure everyone has coverage that is provided at a reasonable price, and no one gets filthy rich in the process of someone else's pain.
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The answers to the health insurance mess are out there, and most of them are on the cost-containment and preventive sides, which would making increasing access to all (which is what it has to be) much easier. Unfortunately, our "leaders" are not serious people. They scream at each other for a few minutes and then go hunting for a teevee camera.
Here are a few fun facts I'd love to see denied:
- Our obesity and heart disease rates are far higher than any other country, draining our health care system on multiple levels. This is a cultural issue that both parties refuse to address.
- It's far less costly to provide comprehensive preventive services in the short term than it is to leave people uncovered in the long term. The GOP doesn't want to discuss this.
- It's far less costly to provide comprehensive diagnostic services in the short term than it is to allow disease to fester and grow and then have to deal with it for the long term. The GOP doesn't want to discuss this.
- Just throwing people into the system does not control costs, because increasing access without addressing cost does not bring down cost. The Democrats don't want to discuss this.
And here's another fact I'd like to see shot down:
A recent study of severe asthma patients showed alarming success with a simple idea. The asthma patients were given FREE medication for their condition ("oh no," says the GOP, "we can't do that, that's socialism") and basic education on their condition, the medication, how to take it, and why. See, there are lot of people who can't take their meds because they can't afford them.
The results were clear, a 70% drop in hospitalization and an 80% drop in emergency room visits. How simple, how obvious, how effective.
This is called VBID, Value-Based Insurance Design, look it up, in which the specific treatment of specific conditions are addressed, rather than just avoided. But since giving something for free to keep long term costs down is "socialism", this practice is evidently frowned upon, and the GOP doesn't bring it up. Source: Value-Based Insurance Design: Spend a Little More On Selected Patients For Payoff Down the Line | Managed Care Magazine Online
So, a strong base coverage for all consisting of free preventive and diagnostic treatment to significantly cut long term health care costs ain't gonna happen. And our elected "leaders" are not going to remind the populace that their eating and exercise habits effect the cost of their health care, because they may not be re-elected after that. That's one example of several.
As long as politics are polluting health care discussion, things will continue to get worse.
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Wow, you're delusional.
They've focus-grouped the Bain Stuff. It doesn't play well to the wealthy, but to working folks, it resonates.
Becuase everyone who has ever worked for a living has encountered a POS in a suit like Romney who laid them off at least once.
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The answers to the health insurance mess are out there, and most of them are on the cost-containment and preventive sides, which would making increasing access to all (which is what it has to be) much easier. Unfortunately, our "leaders" are not serious people. They scream at each other for a few minutes and then go hunting for a teevee camera.
Here are a few fun facts I'd love to see denied:
- Our obesity and heart disease rates are far higher than any other country, draining our health care system on multiple levels. This is a cultural issue that both parties refuse to address.
- It's far less costly to provide comprehensive preventive services in the short term than it is to leave people uncovered in the long term. The GOP doesn't want to discuss this.
- It's far less costly to provide comprehensive diagnostic services in the short term than it is to allow disease to fester and grow and then have to deal with it for the long term. The GOP doesn't want to discuss this.
- Just throwing people into the system does not control costs, because increasing access without addressing cost does not bring down cost. The Democrats don't want to discuss this.
And here's another fact I'd like to see shot down:
A recent study of severe asthma patients showed alarming success with a simple idea. The asthma patients were given FREE medication for their condition ("oh no," says the GOP, "we can't do that, that's socialism") and basic education on their condition, the medication, how to take it, and why. See, there are lot of people who can't take their meds because they can't afford them.
The results were clear, a 70% drop in hospitalization and an 80% drop in emergency room visits. How simple, how obvious, how effective.
This is called VBID, Value-Based Insurance Design, look it up, in which the specific treatment of specific conditions are addressed, rather than just avoided. But since giving something for free to keep long term costs down is "socialism", this practice is evidently frowned upon, and the GOP doesn't bring it up. Source: Value-Based Insurance Design: Spend a Little More On Selected Patients For Payoff Down the Line | Managed Care Magazine Online
So, a strong base coverage for all consisting of free preventive and diagnostic treatment to significantly cut long term health care costs ain't gonna happen. And our elected "leaders" are not going to remind the populace that their eating and exercise habits effect the cost of their health care, because they may not be re-elected after that. That's one example of several.
As long as politics are polluting health care discussion, things will continue to get worse.
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Why should the GOP "bring it up?"
I thought Barak Hussein and the Democratic SuperMajority passed "Health Care Reform?"
...or.....did THEY not bring up VBID......?
Go to Los Angeles and sit in a waiting-room and you'll realize why health care in America is so expensive.
Absolutely.
But your solution would be to let them die in the street because they're brown.
Mine would be to make sure everyone has coverage that is provided at a reasonable price, and no one gets filthy rich in the process of someone else's pain.
You're full of shit.
You want the government to take it over.
Everyone will suffer equally then.......except for Congress.......and the president. They have their own health care plan.
The best solution to health care is an nationwide exercise program similar to the one they started in Europe back in the 60s. Volksmarching. International Volkssport Federation IVV Walking Worldwide
Wow, you're delusional.
They've focus-grouped the Bain Stuff. It doesn't play well to the wealthy, but to working folks, it resonates.
Becuase everyone who has ever worked for a living has encountered a POS in a suit like Romney who laid them off at least once.
Who gives a fuck about focus groups? Meaningless tripe.
Your side is on the run. Obama went and urinated on US Law by issuing what appears to be an illegal executive order.....Even the CNN reporter babe admitted Obama's offer of amnesty to young LATINO ONLY children of illegals was solely a political move.
Now all Obama has to do is sign another executive order allowing these people to vote.
Obama and his people know he would lose the election if it were held today. So Obama is using his office for his own reasons. He may think he is only establishing his base....He is also motivating his opposition.
Wow, you're delusional.
They've focus-grouped the Bain Stuff. It doesn't play well to the wealthy, but to working folks, it resonates.
Becuase everyone who has ever worked for a living has encountered a POS in a suit like Romney who laid them off at least once.
Who gives a fuck about focus groups? Meaningless tripe.
Your side is on the run. Obama went and urinated on US Law by issuing what appears to be an illegal executive order.....Even the CNN reporter babe admitted Obama's offer of amnesty to young LATINO ONLY children of illegals was solely a political move.
Now all Obama has to do is sign another executive order allowing these people to vote.
Obama and his people know he would lose the election if it were held today. So Obama is using his office for his own reasons. He may think he is only establishing his base....He is also motivating his opposition.
Most polls show Obama would win the election if it were held today... so that's full of crap.
Of course, the Bain stuff matters. It was how Kennedy beat Romney in 1994, and it appears that all Romney can do is squeal like a stuck pig. Because at the end of the day, we've all been there. Working for someone who has decided that upending your life will make his a little better.
As Mike Hucakabee said, "Romney looks like the guy who lays you off."
Do I think it was a political move yesterday? Yup. Does it matter? Nope.
Even Obama Knows The End Is Near
Who gives a fuck about focus groups? Meaningless tripe.
Your side is on the run. Obama went and urinated on US Law by issuing what appears to be an illegal executive order.....Even the CNN reporter babe admitted Obama's offer of amnesty to young LATINO ONLY children of illegals was solely a political move.
Now all Obama has to do is sign another executive order allowing these people to vote.
Obama and his people know he would lose the election if it were held today. So Obama is using his office for his own reasons. He may think he is only establishing his base....He is also motivating his opposition.
Most polls show Obama would win the election if it were held today... so that's full of crap.
Of course, the Bain stuff matters. It was how Kennedy beat Romney in 1994, and it appears that all Romney can do is squeal like a stuck pig. Because at the end of the day, we've all been there. Working for someone who has decided that upending your life will make his a little better.
As Mike Hucakabee said, "Romney looks like the guy who lays you off."
Do I think it was a political move yesterday? Yup. Does it matter? Nope.
You're full of shit.
I'd accuse you of being one of Cass Sunstein's "Non-govermental Internet Bloggers" assigned to message boards to throw a monkey wrench in the works, but you're not good enough and your information is so factually bogus that you would never be mistaken for a government agent.
Just about everything you say can be easily debunked. Half the people here already have. The only thing you have going for you is persistence and a willingness to repeatedly make yourself look foolish.
You're full of shit.
I'd accuse you of being one of Cass Sunstein's "Non-govermental Internet Bloggers" assigned to message boards to throw a monkey wrench in the works, but you're not good enough and your information is so factually bogus that you would never be mistaken for a government agent.
Just about everything you say can be easily debunked. Half the people here already have. The only thing you have going for you is persistence and a willingness to repeatedly make yourself look foolish.
California is glaring evidence of the catastrophic failure of liberal policy. The most liberal state in the union, lead by idiot liberal politicians for the overwhelming majority of the past 50+ years, the state is failing miserably with a $16 billion deficit. I hope they do raise taxes - because it will cause them to have more businesses leave, higher unemployment, and an even larger deficit. Of course, the idiot liberal will still ignore reality and pretend it's not their policy that is the cause. *But at least the rest of America will see the truth.
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Wow, you're delusional.
They've focus-grouped the Bain Stuff. It doesn't play well to the wealthy, but to working folks, it resonates.
Becuase everyone who has ever worked for a living has encountered a POS in a suit like Romney who laid them off at least once.
Everyone who has ever Worked for a Living has been Laid Off?...
Dishonest much?
peace...
Most polls show Obama would win the election if it were held today... so that's full of crap.
Of course, the Bain stuff matters. It was how Kennedy beat Romney in 1994, and it appears that all Romney can do is squeal like a stuck pig. Because at the end of the day, we've all been there. Working for someone who has decided that upending your life will make his a little better.
As Mike Hucakabee said, "Romney looks like the guy who lays you off."
Do I think it was a political move yesterday? Yup. Does it matter? Nope.
You're full of shit.
I'd accuse you of being one of Cass Sunstein's "Non-govermental Internet Bloggers" assigned to message boards to throw a monkey wrench in the works, but you're not good enough and your information is so factually bogus that you would never be mistaken for a government agent.
Just about everything you say can be easily debunked. Half the people here already have. The only thing you have going for you is persistence and a willingness to repeatedly make yourself look foolish.
Nope, he's actually pretty much on the money. It was a political move, but it was also good policy and wingnuts like yourself are really just pissed because you know it can work in his favor.
