Every Classroom Should Have Heavily Armed Teachers In It

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Keep on making a fool of yourself.

School Marshal | Texas Commission on Law Enforcement

School MarshalsHB 1009, passed by the 83rd legislature, allows public school districts and open enrollment charter schools to appoint School Marshals. The 84th legislature passed SB 386 to include Public two year junior colleges in the list of institutions that can appoint School Marshals. The...

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"One provision of the act allows a district to opt into the School Marshal Program and designate one staff member for every 200 students to be armed on campus, following intensive law enforcement style training and psychological testing. School Marshals that have regular, direct contact with students, however, are not allowed to carry a gun. Instead, they are permitted to have a secured gun within ready access only in a circumstance that would permit the use of deadly force".

WOW, when seconds count, my secured gun is only minutes away.

 

[Curried Goats]

Keep on making a fool of yourself.

School Marshal | Texas Commission on Law Enforcement

School MarshalsHB 1009, passed by the 83rd legislature, allows public school districts and open enrollment charter schools to appoint School Marshals. The 84th legislature passed SB 386 to include Public two year junior colleges in the list of institutions that can appoint School Marshals. The...

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Interesting read. Sounds even dumber than teacher ninjas.

One provision of the act allows a district to opt into the School Marshal Program and designate one staff member for every 200 students to be armed on campus, following intensive law enforcement style training and psychological testing. School Marshals that have regular, direct contact with students, however, are not allowed to carry a gun. Instead, they are permitted to have a secured gun within ready access only in a circumstance that would permit the use of deadly force.

At least teacher Ninjas would have swords and throwing stars on their person. This clown would have to run to a weapons locker to retrieve his weapon before running off to find and confront the shooter. It's much better to have teacher ninjas just waiting in the shadows ready to pounce.

Another provision in the act allows schools to authorize greater access to firearms on campus. Under the Guardian Plan, a district can grant anyone, including employees, permission to carry firearms on campuses through a contract. A guardian basically is there for mainly dealing with school shootings, whereas the Marshal has more of a law enforcement position.

This idea I like a lot more. Allow more people onto campus with guns so we can remain vigilant in the event someone walks onto campus with a gun. Fool proof!

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yeah, you provided the list.

List of Mass Shootings Stopped by Armed Civilians - The Meme Policeman

This meme claims zero mass shootings were prevented by armed civilians. By any reasonable measure this is false. This list counts 24 examples that meet the criteria.

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"Thousands of instances"?

About 20, this CENTURY.

Sure, teachers with loaded weapons are the answer.

If you read past the headline you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself.

1. November 2017– A man started firing in a parking lot of a crowded auto repair shop in Rockledge, FL killing one and paralyzing another. Two of the employees had concealed carry permits and fought back, shooting and injuring the attacker and preventing any more damage.

2. November 2017– An off-duty Kansas City police captain shot an armed man in a local Costco when he announced “I’m an off-duty U.S. Marshal, I’m here to kill people”. The off-duty cop told him to drop the gun and not to move. When the gunman aimed his pistol at the officer, he shot him. No other injuries were reported.

3. September 2017– A masked man entered a Nashville church and shot 7 people, killing one. A church usher was able to run to his car, grab a handgun and confront the shooter, saving untold lives.

4. May 2017– A man entered a bar in Arlington, TX yelling incoherently and began shooting, killing one. A customer with a concealed carry handgun engaged the shooter and prevented further injuries or deaths. There were more than a dozen customers in the bar, plus employees.

5. June 2016– A man began shooting outside a bar in Lyman, South Carolina. He shot 3 people before a fourth with a concealed weapons permit fired back, preventing more bloodshed.

6. July 2015– A Cincinnati man fired at 4 people, including a 1-year-old boy. One of the victims had a concealed weapons permit and shot back, hitting the attacker in the leg. No one died.

7. May 2015– In New Holland, SC a man pulled into a crowded fire department parking lot filled with children and firefighters and began firing into the air and pointing the gun at people. Two firefighters with concealed carry permits confronted the shooter and got him to put down his weapon. While no one was injured, this likely prevented a mass shooting.

8. April 2015– An Uber Driver with a concealed carry permit shot and injured a man firing a pistol into a group of people on a Logan Square sidewalk in Chicago.

9. March 2015– Police say a man likely saved the lives of several people when he shot and killed a gunman inside a West Philadelphia barbershop. During an argument, the man pulled out a gun and began shooting customers and barbers, there were even kids inside. Another man who had a legal weapons permit heard the shots from outside, rushed in and killed the shooter, likely saving lives.

10. July 2014– A psychiatric patient opened fire at a Pennsylvania hospital, killing one case worker. A doctor with a concealed weapons permit fired back and hit the shooter three times, allowing hospital personnel to tackle and subdue him. The police chief said “without a doubt, I believe the doctor saved lives. Without that firearm, [the shooter] could have went out in the hallway and just walked down the offices until he ran out of ammunition,”

11. July 2014– A military service member with a concealed carry permit shot and injured a man who fired at and threatened a group of four people outside a party in Chicago.

12. January 2014– After being turned away from a Portland strip club, a man returned with a gun and shot and critically injured the bouncer and proceeded to enter the club. Another bouncer with a concealed carry permit shot the attacker. There were 30 people inside.

13. December 2012– A man with a stolen AR-15 rifle entered the Clackamas Mall in Oregon and began shooting, killing 2 and critically injuring a third. Another man with a concealed carry permit confronted the shooter but didn’t fire because he feared he might shoot innocent bystanders. However, he claims the shooter saw him and this likely stopped the shooting spree, as he then ran into a stairwell and the next bullet the gunman fired was to kill himself. It’s debatable whether this mass shooting was stopped by this action, but there is evidence to support it.

14. April 2012– A man chased and shot at multiple church members in a church parking lot in Aurora, CO, killing one. An off-duty police officer happened to be there and shot the gunman, stopping the attack.

15. March 2012– A man kicked in and entered a side door in a Spartanburg, SC church with a shotgun and pointed it at the pastor and congregation. Another church member, a concealed weapon holder, acted quickly to subdue the attacker. No one was injured.

16. May 2009– During a birthday party two masked gunmen broke into an apartment in College Park, GA filled with 11 people. They separated the men from women, stole their wallets and cell phones, then proceeded to attempt to rape the women, mentioning they would kill them afterwards. One of the victims managed to grab his bag with a gun in it, then shot and chased off the attackers. The resident of the apartment said if not for the intervention, all the party goers would likely have been killed.

17. May 2008– A man entered a crowded bar near Reno, NV and fatally shot two brothers, as well as injuring others. When stopping to reload, another patron with a concealed weapons permit shot and killed him.

18. December 2007– After killing two at one Colorado church, a gunman drove to the New Life Church in Colorado Springs and began shooting members leaving a Sunday service. As the gunman entered the church, a woman stepped out from a doorway, confronted the gunman and then fired 10 shots from 63 feet away, hitting the attacker once in the wrist and twice in a leg. He died in the hallway, barely 40 feet from where he entered.

19. February 2007– A man with a shotgun and backpack full of ammunition opened fire at Trolley Square in Salt Lake City, killing 5 and wounding 4. The shooter was quickly and soundly stopped by the Salt Lake City SWAT, but not before an off-duty police officer with a gun had cornered him and engaged in a gun battle, preventing untold deaths to others.

20. January 2002– A distressed student facing suspension entered the campus of Appalachian School of Law and killed three people, including the dean, and injured three others. He was stopped and wrestled to the ground by three students who were trained police officers. One of which ran to his car to get his service pistol before confronting the attacker.

21. July 1999– After a man rented a semi-automatic rifle at a gun club, he held three employees hostage and threatened to kill them. One had a concealed handgun and shot the gunman. While he only directly threatened three people (not technically a mass shooting), his suicide note detailed his desire to take many other lives, so this likely prevented that.

22. April 1998– A middle school student took his father’s handgun and went to his middle school dance. He shot and killed one teacher and wounded 3 others. The owner of the dance hall grabbed his shotgun after hearing the shots and confronted and disarmed the shooter outside. It’s debatable whether or not this prevented any more deaths, as the student had stopped shooting, but he was still armed and capable to shoot more people.

23. October 1997– The Pearl High School shooting in Mississippi, which killed 2 and injured 7, was stopped by the assistant principal who got a pistol he kept in his truck to subdue the shooter.

24. December 1991– Two armed men herded 20 customers and employees of a Shoney’s restaurant in Anniston, Ala., into the walk-in refrigerator and locked it. Continuing to hold the manager at gunpoint, the men began robbing the restaurant. They were stopped by another customer, legally armed with a .45 semi-automatic pistol, who was hiding under a table. He fired five shots into that robber’s chest and abdomen, killing him instantly. It’s debatable if this would have been a mass shooting, but it was a hostage situation endangering at least 20 lives.

This is just a partial list of potential mass shootings stopped by armed civilians and doesn't encompass day today crimes such as home invasion robberies, or armed robberies of businesses.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

"One provision of the act allows a district to opt into the School Marshal Program and designate one staff member for every 200 students to be armed on campus, following intensive law enforcement style training and psychological testing. School Marshals that have regular, direct contact with students, however, are not allowed to carry a gun. Instead, they are permitted to have a secured gun within ready access only in a circumstance that would permit the use of deadly force".

WOW, when seconds count, my secured gun is only minutes away.

Your secured weapon is only a four digit code and fingerprint away.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Interesting read. Sounds even dumber than teacher ninjas.


At least teacher Ninjas would have swords and throwing stars on their person. This clown would have to run to a weapons locker to retrieve his weapon before running off to find and confront the shooter. It's much better to have teacher ninjas just waiting in the shadows ready to pounce.


This idea I like a lot more. Allow more people onto campus with guns so we can remain vigilant in the event someone walks onto campus with a gun. Fool proof!

Stop fabricating the whole "Ninja" bullshit and discuss it like an adult if you are capable.

Any person with reasonably good coordination and eyesight as well as sound judgement can be trained to the necessary level.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

I said nothing about them stopping thousands of mass shootings.

Why do you feel such a need to lie?

Guns in the hands of civilians stop between a half million and three million crimes per year

Sure, your "list" proved it.

and we have yet to see one of them shot in a "friendly fire" incident by police.

June 18 2021
A recent officer-involved-shooting in Phoenix presents a host of lessons we can all learn from. A responding police officer there mistakenly shot a good guy with a gun as he held a pair of shoplifters at gunpoint. Both parties made mistakes, but William Brookins, 39, paid for his well-meaning good Samaritanism with his life.

Brookins, the good guy, apparently observed a pair of shoplifters fleeing a store. Riding passenger in an SUV, he had the driver pursue the pair to a nearby parking lot where he confronted them at gunpoint.

A Phoenix cop nearby heard the commotion and responded. Radio transmissions indicate that the cop assumed Brookins, who is black, was an armed robber and the two white (alleged) shoplifters were victims of an armed robbery attempt.

February 21 2019
After a gunman took 100 people hostage at a Texas church this month, police burst in and shot a man holding a gun.

But that man, Tony Garces, had taken the pistol away from the gunman after churchgoers were able to tackle him.

“I got the gun,” he told KVII-TV. “I thought it was over. but they the cops shot me. The good guys shot me.”

Just before police arrived, several of the hostages managed to wrestle the gunman to the ground, and Garces snatched the weapon from his hand.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Sure, your "list" proved it.

June 18 2021
A recent officer-involved-shooting in Phoenix presents a host of lessons we can all learn from. A responding police officer there mistakenly shot a good guy with a gun as he held a pair of shoplifters at gunpoint. Both parties made mistakes, but William Brookins, 39, paid for his well-meaning good Samaritanism with his life.

Brookins, the good guy, apparently observed a pair of shoplifters fleeing a store. Riding passenger in an SUV, he had the driver pursue the pair to a nearby parking lot where he confronted them at gunpoint.

A Phoenix cop nearby heard the commotion and responded. Radio transmissions indicate that the cop assumed Brookins, who is black, was an armed robber and the two white (alleged) shoplifters were victims of an armed robbery attempt.

February 21 2019
After a gunman took 100 people hostage at a Texas church this month, police burst in and shot a man holding a gun.

But that man, Tony Garces, had taken the pistol away from the gunman after churchgoers were able to tackle him.

“I got the gun,” he told KVII-TV. “I thought it was over. but they the cops shot me. The good guys shot me.”

Just before police arrived, several of the hostages managed to wrestle the gunman to the ground, and Garces snatched the weapon from his hand.

That's really the best you can do with over 30 million civilians carrying lawfully at any given time in the US?

More cops were shot by other cops during the same period.

 

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Fact of the matter is, arming teachers is the most effective way at stopping the next school shooter....

Old Mrs Huckleberry wielding a big, ol' shooty in kindergarten is only deemed "effective" for those with an obsessive gunster mentality.

It evokes the adage, "When you only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a human cranium."

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[Big Bend Texas]

Old Mrs Huckleberry wielding a big, ol' shooty in kindergarten is only deemed "effective" for those with an obsessive gunster mentality.

It evokes the adage, "When you only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a human cranium."

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Would you prefer she throw pencils and story books at the shooter?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

If you read past the headline you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself.

Sure.

This is just a partial list of potential mass shootings stopped by armed civilians and doesn't encompass day today crimes such as home invasion robberies, or armed robberies of businesses.

Like I stated, fool.
STILL, only 20...............this CENTURY.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Sure.

Like I stated, fool.
STILL, only 20...............this CENTURY.

You're still just making shit up. That was 20 identified instances not every instance that has occurred.

Stop talking out of your ass.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

That's really the best you can do with over 30 million civilians carrying lawfully at any given time in the US?

More cops were shot by other cops during the same period.

No, shit..................exactly my point.
Why didn't other cops "recognize" other cops?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

You're still just making shit up. That was 20 identified instances not every instance that has occurred.

It's your fucking link.

Stop talking out of your ass.

Stop typing out of yours.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

No, shit..................exactly my point.
Why didn't other cops "recognize" other cops?

Because they are human beings and given enough interactions humans will eventually make a mistake.

There are upwards of 5,000 police shootings every year in the US, and hundreds of thousands of instances of police drawing but not having to fire.

Friendly fire deaths statistically don't even measure out to be a rounding error.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

It's your fucking link.

Stop typing out of yours.

I never claimed that link shows every instance of a mass shooting being stopped by civilians.

That was you talking out of your ass as usual.

 

[Curried Goats]

Stop fabricating the whole "Ninja" bullshit and discuss it like an adult if you are capable.

I refuse to entertain the notion that you are discussing anything like an adult. You're a child who wants to hold on to his security blanket (your gun) because it keeps you warm at night. And it can, provided it doesnt get too cold for your blanket to handle. But a better solution would be to stop sleeping outside in the cold. You want to argue over the best methods society could use to get blankets to people when a cold snap hits when every other civilized society doesn't leave their people out in the cold, hoping for the best, to begin with. But no. You'd rather risk some of us freezing to death than to give up your blanket and come inside.

I call them volunteer teacher ninjas because you said they'd always be in position to take a shooter out. How? No idea, but magically they'll always be right where they need to be. I pointed out Parkland had a resource officer on campus, he just couldn't be everywhere on campus at once. He was on the other side of the campus when the shooting started and later said he thought the shooter was outside. How is it going to be any different for these volunteers? If your argument is that they will always magically be in the right place then it's not a far leap to Teacher Ninjas.

Any person with reasonably good coordination and eyesight as well as sound judgement can be trained to the necessary level.

Trained to the necessary level of what? Engage a shooter in a volatile situation involving screaming, running kids, other volunteers with guns, law enforcement with guns and a shooter with a gun? I wouldn't expect a law enforcement unit that trained every day for the exact situation to handle that perfectly every time. That's a scenario that's going have wildly varying levels of success and failure just like every other shooting incident. You're a cosplayer with fantasies of tactical rolling and bump firing your way into action hero stardom. Grow up.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Because they are human beings and given enough interactions humans will eventually make a mistake.

So, you expect the same cops to recognize all the teachers with guns.

There are upwards of 5,000 police shootings every year in the US, and hundreds of thousands of instances of police drawing but not having to fire.

Friendly fire deaths statistically don't even measure out to be a rounding error.

Arming teachers would get that number up to rounding.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

I never claimed that link shows every instance of a mass shooting being stopped by civilians.

It wasn't even that.

That was you talking out of your ass as usual.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I refuse to entertain the notion that you are discussing anything like an adult. You're a child who wants to hold on to his security blanket (your gun) because it keeps you warm at night. And it can, provided it doesnt get too cold for your blanket to handle. But a better solution would be to stop sleeping outside in the cold. You want to argue over the best methods society could use to get blankets to people when a cold snap hits when every other civilized society doesn't leave their people out in the cold, hoping for the best, to begin with. But no. You'd rather risk some of us freezing to death than to give up your blanket and come inside.

I call them volunteer teacher ninjas because you said they'd always be in position to take a shooter out. How? No idea but magically they'll always be right where they need to be. I pointed out Parkland had a resource officer on campus, he just coukdn't be everywhere on campus at once. He was on the other side of the campus when the shooting started and later said he thought the shooter was outside. How is it going to be any different for these volunteers? If you're argument is that they will always magically be in the right place then it's not a far leap to Teacher Ninjas.

Trained to the necessary level of what? Engage a shooter in a volatile situation involving screaming, running kids, other volunteers with guns, law enforcement with guns and a shooter with a gun? I wouldn't expect a law enforcement unit that trained every day for the exact situation to handle that perfectly every time. That's a scenario that's going have wildly varying levels of success and failure just like every other shooting incident. You're a cosplayer with fantasies of tactical rolling and bump firing your way into action hero stardom.

I'm stating facts while you gin up fantasies and blather like a babbling fool.

We train the participants in both programs to a level of very high confidence and competence and have been doing so since 2013 with zero problems to date.

We have also not had a single incidence of a school shooting at any of our schools participating in either program where notice is posted for the public to see.

You are no better than the panic mongers wailing that concealed carry would turn the state into a shooting gallery, who then repeated the same when open carry was legalized and then again when constitutional/permitless carry passed.

When the School Shield and School Marshal Programs were implemented it was the same thing all over again.

None of it ever came true no will it.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

So, you expect the same cops to recognize all the teachers with guns.

Arming teachers would get that number up to rounding.

We've been arming faculty and staff since 2013 without a single problem.

You are talking out of your ass again.

Part of implementing these programs is that the local or district police have to participate in the training with the faculty and staff so everybody is working off of the same program.