Evidence found for Biblical Exodus

[koshergrl]

Funny, historians don't think so. Go figure...we see how the true scholars and the pseudoscholars again part ways.

 

[daws101]

Funny, historians don't think so. Go figure...we see how the true scholars and the pseudoscholars again part ways.

talking out your ass again...
a very small group of biblical scholars believe in the literal version of exodus..

 

[koshergrl]

Do you believe exodus is the only historical event narrated in the bible?

 

[daws101]

Do you believe exodus is the only historical event narrated in the bible?

why do you ask?

 

[koshergrl]

Because you seem to reference only that event as your *evidence* that the books of the bible aren't considered valuable historical texts.

 

[daws101]

The Bible is a mix of fact and fiction, of history and religion.

As to history, some of the Old Testament has been shown to be historically correct by archeology. Writings and inscriptions in other cultures, and in the Holy Land, have confirmed events which are mentioned in the Bible. However, other events have been shown to be fictional or incorrect. What biblicists who get so excited over archaeological discoveries which confirm aspects of the Bible apparently can't understand is that extrabiblical confirmation of some of the Bible does not constitute confirmation of all of the Bible.

Other parts of the Old Testament are not historical, but are literature, poetry, prophecy and myth.

The New Testament varies in its historicity as well. All of it was written down many years after the death of Christ, and the four gospels often present completely different versions of the same event, Rashomon-style. Much of what is in the New Testament is not present in any other contemporaneous historical sources, including proof of the actual existence of Christ. And Revelations is the written down version of a dream that John, one of the gospels, had.

The letters which constitute a good part of the new testament were written after the death of Christ, by those building the church. Biblical scholars have shown that several of the letters attributed to Paul (who never met Christ), one of the church fathers, were either forgeries or misattributed.

What we know as the Bible was cobbled together under Constantine by a committee; many books then in circulation among Christians were left out. (Various churches even now disagree as to which books are canonical and which aren't.) This Bible was then hand copied over and over again through many generations until the invention by Gutenberg of the press. Mistakes crept in--many of them--and subtle changes were introduced to push one religious view or another. Biblical scholar Bart Ehrmann once noted that, due to copying and transcription errors, there are now more errors in the Bible than there are words.
Is the Bible mostly fact or fiction

 

[koshergrl]

I thought maybe you thought the entire bible was simply a recounting of the exodus.

 

[daws101]

I thought maybe you thought the entire bible was simply a recounting of the exodus.

again why would you think that?
your imagined self superiority really skewes any objective thinking ..

 

[koshergrl]

Sure it does, skippy.

 

[JoeB131]

I love watching anti Christian ignorami deny history that the scientific world and archaeological circles accept.

Except none of them really do.

Oh, the academics don't say it too loud, because they want Funditards to send their kids to their university to go into debt for life.

But most academics look at the bible as more myth than history.

Big hint-

Snakes don't talk!!!!

 

[daws101]

Sure it does, skippy.

Thanks for making my point for me...

 

[koshergrl]

Historians treasure all ancient texts. And at the time of biblical writings...*fairy tales* weren't being committed to papyrus, lol. It just didn't happen. Written fiction and clever application of propaganda were not put on paper for many, many, many, many years.

 

[daws101]

Historians treasure all ancient texts. And at the time of biblical writings...*fairy tales* weren't being committed to papyrus, lol. It just didn't happen. Written fiction and clever application of propaganda were not put on paper for many, many, many, many years.

The History Of Storytelling


Storytelling has had a more significant impact on human history than we generally realize. An examination of storytelling's history reveals why.

Griot. Raconteur. Bard. Jongleur. Skop. Spinner of yarns. Rabbi. Named by a thousand words, storytellers have shaped our societies and the way we think for all of recorded history, and before that to the days of cave paintings, and before that into some shaded depth of time that we have only the barest sense of today. But only humans tell stories. Though primates share many of the same behaviors that we have, they lack the imagination and the desire for stories that we possess.

Children crave stories, and will spontaneously make them up if they can't get them any other way. Every culture that exists or has been known to exist had a strong storytelling culture, one all their own that shaped and was shaped by the people. Stories are used for entertainment, for teaching, for passing on old knowledge and wisdom. In certain Native American cultures, stories are so integral to the people that every question is answered by a story.

So why is storytelling so important to us? And where is our storytelling drive leading us?

The Caves

At the turn of the 20th century, some French children made an incredible find in the Pyrenees Mountains - drawings of extinct animals in caves. The 35,000-year-old paintings on the walls of the Lascaux Caves are our earliest recorded evidence of storytelling, and since Lascaux we've found dozens of other examples.
To primitive man, storytelling was magic. There was little separation between what was spoken and what happened - to him, it seemed logical that if we could describe a great hunt and bring it home, in all its vividness and glory, to those who did not participate, then it should be possible to tell a story about a hunt and see it happen later. When it did not always work, they decided that perhaps drawing the story would help.

The caves of Lascaux and others from the same period are not only our first storytelling art, but also our first visual art, our first cartoon, and our first narrated slide show. The technologies we use today are new, but the methods for storytelling are ancient.

Different stories, or different ways of telling the same stories, shape distinct cultures. A people's stories are often similar to those of other cultures, but distinct in themselves. Your culture's stories became part of your self-identity. It's possible that culture is rooted in storytelling.

With storytelling came cultural and societal bonding. When we invented stories, we invented gods, heroes, villains, and magic. The roots of psychology, of lecture-style teaching, of religion, all lie within stories.

The First Civilizations

Civilization arose many thousands of years after storytelling, with the development of agriculture and a more sedentary lifestyle. Families settled to farm; farms grew into hamlets, villages, towns, and at last the first cities. And with the rise of cities came the first professional priests, and the first professional storytellers.

Gilgamesh is the first written epic, and the first short stories were written down over 4000 years ago in Egypt. As apparently a fully-developed body of literature suddenly sprang out of this, it's clear that oral storytelling had much longer than that to develop.
In the East, the same pattern is seen in China and India, with ancient stories written down long after they were apparently first composed. Already, one can see common themes across the different civilizations, such as catastrophic floods that wipe out entire civilizations and peoples in single days, or creation myths, or fables explaining how things came about. According to researchers like Joseph Campbell, this is partly evidence of common experiences and partly evidence that stories had spread widely long before they were written down.



Not only had the most ancient of stories and story forms been developed by the time they were written down, but genres had differentiated, though some were specific to their own cultures. Epic tales like Gilgamesh and some of the stories of the gods were one form, sung or spoken to rhythm by professional storytellers similar to bards. The more formal tales of the gods were told at religious ceremonies through hymns and lectures.

Later stories from the ancient world, such as the legends and myths of the ancient

Greeks and Romans as well as the religious veddas of ancient India essentially were similar in purpose, though more sophisticated and reflective of their originating cultures.

There was one common theme through most ancient tales, no matter where they were found in the world: they were at heart didactic, stories expounding on morality and teaching about the pleasures of a morally good life while describing the misery that followed ill deeds. As you can imagine, this contributed greatly to stories shaping their culture.

The Dark Ages

The Dark Ages in Europe were not shared by the rest of the world. The Middle East, for instance, was experiencing a brilliant renaissance equivalent to any in history; and China and India were experiencing stable, growing cultures punctuated by periods of war with the Mongols and the same plagues that devastated Europe. During this time period storytelling matured and changed, shaping cultures while being shaped by them.

Drawing on ancient Greek traditions of live theater, mystery plays were invented by the Catholic Church. These were a dramatic method for telling the didactic morality stories the Church wanted to spread. And since the common people generally could not read and generally could also not understand the Latin in which services were commonly conducted, mystery plays were often the only method for ordinary people to hear the stories of the Bible, outside of stories told by the fireplace by grandmothers and other storytellers.

This is more important than it sounds. As previously mentioned, stories spread across a wide territory tended to change and reflect the societies they had landed in; though hundreds of cultures had a flood story, each flood legend was distinct to that culture. By allowing and even encouraging mystery plays (which traveled from town to town), the Catholic Church ensured that the same story was told in the same way to all people throughout the Catholic World.

While illiteracy was common in Europe, it was quickly becoming uncommon in the Near East. Oral storytelling still had its place, as many of the ancient tales were shared around the fireside even though Islamic teachings frowned upon them. But the teachers and leaders of Islam encouraged all Islamic converts to learn to read, at least in order to read the Quran. This, like mystery plays in the West, encouraged a homogeneity of culture that bound together most of the people who followed Muhammad. Again, stories transformed cultures.



The legacy of the Middle Ages is the maturing of the story form, both oral and written. Ultimately, these stories matured into the flower of Shakespeare. Shakespeare was a master of transforming ancient stories into new tales that could then be shared with common and noble people alike.
The History Of Storytelling

 

[koshergrl]

esortment?

That's the go-to site for people who think wiki is too accurate, lol.

 

[koshergrl]

Driven by "Demand Media"...

lolol

 

[Derideo_Te]

Historians treasure all ancient texts. And at the time of biblical writings...*fairy tales* weren't being committed to papyrus, lol. It just didn't happen. Written fiction and clever application of propaganda were not put on paper for many, many, many, many years.

Here is some written propaganda for emperor Augustus who ruled when Jesus was born;

Art and Propaganda in Ancient Rome

Augustus also employed poets and other writers so that his propaganda could be more widely dispersed. Vitruvius wrote his ten-volume "On Architecture" under the patronage of Augustus. While Vitruvius wrote on technology, city planning, acoustics, and engineering as well as architecture, there are also hints of imperial propaganda in his works. For example, in his discussion on the effects of climate on architecture Vitruvius writes:
Since, therefore, the disposition of the world is such by Nature, and all other nations differ by their unbalanced temperament, it is in the true mean within the space of all the world and the regions of the earth, that the Roman people holds its territories. 11. For in Italy the inhabitants are exactly tempered in either direction, both in the structure of the body, and by their strength of mind in the matter of endurance and courage. For just as the planet Jupiter is tempered by running in the middle between the heat of Mars and the cold of Saturn, in the same manner Italy presents good qualities which are tempered by admixture from either side both north and south, and are consequently unsurpassed. And so, by its policy, it curbs the courage of the northern barbarians, by its strength, the imaginative south. Thus the divine mind has allotted to the Roman state an excellent and temperate region in order to rule the world. (Vitruvius, On Architecture, Book VI, 17-19)

Then there are the ancient fairy tales found on papyrus in Egyptian tombs that predate Jesus by about 1200 years. There are fairy tales about unicorns and flying saucers in your own ancient biblical texts. Obviously your knowledge of both history and ancient writings leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[koshergrl]

"The company employs an algorithm that identifies topics with high advertising potential, based on search engine query data and bids on advertising auctions. These topics are typically in the advice and how-to field. It then commissions freelancers to produce corresponding text or video content. The content is posted on a variety of sites, including YouTube and the company's own sites such as eHow, Livestrong.com, Trails.com, GolfLink.com, Mania.com, and Cracked.com."

I'm sure Demand Media used all the best minds to develop their "how to" article about *storytelling* hahahahahahaha...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand_Media

 

[koshergrl]

Historians treasure all ancient texts. And at the time of biblical writings...*fairy tales* weren't being committed to papyrus, lol. It just didn't happen. Written fiction and clever application of propaganda were not put on paper for many, many, many, many years.

Here is some written propaganda for emperor Augustus who ruled when Jesus was born;

Art and Propaganda in Ancient Rome

Augustus also employed poets and other writers so that his propaganda could be more widely dispersed. Vitruvius wrote his ten-volume "On Architecture" under the patronage of Augustus. While Vitruvius wrote on technology, city planning, acoustics, and engineering as well as architecture, there are also hints of imperial propaganda in his works. For example, in his discussion on the effects of climate on architecture Vitruvius writes:
Since, therefore, the disposition of the world is such by Nature, and all other nations differ by their unbalanced temperament, it is in the true mean within the space of all the world and the regions of the earth, that the Roman people holds its territories. 11. For in Italy the inhabitants are exactly tempered in either direction, both in the structure of the body, and by their strength of mind in the matter of endurance and courage. For just as the planet Jupiter is tempered by running in the middle between the heat of Mars and the cold of Saturn, in the same manner Italy presents good qualities which are tempered by admixture from either side both north and south, and are consequently unsurpassed. And so, by its policy, it curbs the courage of the northern barbarians, by its strength, the imaginative south. Thus the divine mind has allotted to the Roman state an excellent and temperate region in order to rule the world. (Vitruvius, On Architecture, Book VI, 17-19)

Then there are the ancient fairy tales found on papyrus in Egyptian tombs that predate Jesus by about 1200 years. There are fairy tales about unicorns and flying saucers in your own ancient biblical texts. Obviously your knowledge of both history and ancient writings leaves a lot to be desired.

Actually, your own link proves my point..propaganda existed in the form of art: carvings and paintings.

But not via papyrus or other portable writings.

Also your retardasource deals only with Roman propaganda, and in only a very limited way.

"From sculpture to architecture, the Romans left behind a legacy of art both intricate and monumental, peaceful and courageous mostly in an attempt to gain the love and support of the masses. "

I'm sorry you aren't well educated. But don't fool yourself and think 1. Everything you read is true, or 2. You can receive a classical education via your own flounderings on the internet.

Because neither one is true.

 

[daws101]

esortment?

That's the go-to site for people who think wiki is too accurate, lol.

psychology and logic, rationalization (also known as making excuses[1]) is an unconscious defense mechanism in which perceived controversial behaviors or feelings are logically justified and explained in a rational or logical manner in order to avoid any true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable – or even admirable and superior – by plausible means.[2] Rationalization encourages irrational or unacceptable behavior, motives, or feelings and often involves ad hoc hypothesizing. This process ranges from fully conscious (e.g. to present an external defense against ridicule from others) to mostly subconscious (e.g. to create a block against internal feelings of guilt).
People rationalize for various reasons. Rationalization may differentiate the original deterministic explanation of the behavior or feeling in question.[3][4] Sometimes rationalization occurs when we think we know ourselves better than we do. It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.

 

[daws101]

Driven by "Demand Media"...

lolol

psychology and logic, rationalization (also known as making excuses[1]) is an unconscious defense mechanism in which perceived controversial behaviors or feelings are logically justified and explained in a rational or logical manner in order to avoid any true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable – or even admirable and superior – by plausible means.[2] Rationalization encourages irrational or unacceptable behavior, motives, or feelings and often involves ad hoc hypothesizing. This process ranges from fully conscious (e.g. to present an external defense against ridicule from others) to mostly subconscious (e.g. to create a block against internal feelings of guilt).
People rationalize for various reasons. Rationalization may differentiate the original deterministic explanation of the behavior or feeling in question.[3][4] Sometimes rationalization occurs when we think we know ourselves better than we do. It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.