Explaining To Liberals What Obamagate is:

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Secondly, show me how Obama used spy agencies to spy on political adversaries?

Obviously Flynn! Obama and Comey were investigating Flynn. They discovered he was trying to prevent Russia form attacking us, and then tried to figure out a away to arrest him for it. They discussed the Logan Act. Then they illegally leaked Flynns name to the press to smear him, then they found Flynn did not lie to FBI, but then Comey took over case, destroyed the original 302 evidence, fabricated his own and arrested Flynn for lying. FBI then threatening to abuse his son if he didn't cooperate on Russian collusion. Flynn did cooperate and no collusion was found just liberal deep state criminality and TDS.


Does the liberal understand now?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I said down payment.

you lied and said he got paid $500,000 for a kidnapping. Embarrassing??

 

[meaner gene]

I said down payment.

you lied and said he got paid $500,000 for a kidnapping. Embarrassing??

The kidnapping was for $15 million.. $530,000 was for a film that Flynn never delivered. And that Flynn didn't report.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why won't Trump explain it?

Obamagate is all the Obama/Deep State shenanigans that went on to get Manafort, Flynn, Stone, Papadopolous, and Gates convicted on phony charges.

Yes they ruined and abused many lives because TDS led them to imagine Russian collusion!! Its good. They look like fools and support the Green New Deal Second great Depression and Communist Revolution!! Say hello to Trumps second term!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

for a film that Flynn never delivered.

the liberal said for a kidnapping now he says for a film?????????????????????????

 

[Rye Catcher]

We have a Bill of Rights to protect us from what liberal govt would do to us. One of those things is spy on us.
It is now clear that Obama was using our spy agencies to spy on his political adversaries, namely, General Flynn. Clearly this is against the law and basic American principles and should result in criminal penalties against those most responsible. Not only were they spying on political adversaries but they were leaking what they learned to the press, which is another crime, in hope of gaining political advantage.

It's not clear, this spying bullshit has been in the wind since trump first made the claim that his office was bugged. three years ago.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's not clear, this spying bullshit has been in the wind

and now the unmaskings are becoming public. What planet have you been on?

 

[meaner gene]

for a film that Flynn never delivered.

the liberal said for a kidnapping now he says for a film?????????????????????????

Just like Trump paid "legal fees" instead of "hush money"

 

[bripat9643]

1) so you think Obama/Comey are criminals for using intelligence agencies to spy on Republicans? Can Trump do that now?

2) so you are pleased that Flynn at Trumps behest encouraged Russian not to attack the USA??

The only way Obama could spy on republicans is if they got caught conspiring to undermine national security with a foreign power.

So Obama could have only planned it, if he knew republicans were such traitors that they would undermine national security for political purposes.

So your conspiracy theory admits republicans put party above country.

That's just plain wrong, and stupid to boot. For one thing, there is no crime called "conspiring to undermine national security." For another, how would Obama know about it unless he was already spying on them?

His theory admits that Democrats are Stalinist douchebags who believe any opposition to their policies is treason.

 

[bripat9643]

Nobody (except for the NSA) knew whose name was under the "mask". Hence it could not have been a plan to spy on Republicans.

????why not dummy!! They asked for 100's of unmaskings knowing they would snare some Republicans. 1+1=2

If you're saying a plan to snag americans illegally negotiating with foreign nations over american national security would turn out to be republicans you may have a point.

Just as sure as snagging people who download pictures of naked children off the internet turn out to be pedeophiles.

it's not illegal for Americans to negotiate with foriegn powers, moron.

 

[meaner gene]

It's not clear, this spying bullshit has been in the wind

and now the unmaskings are becoming public. What planet have you been on?

 

[meaner gene]

Nobody (except for the NSA) knew whose name was under the "mask". Hence it could not have been a plan to spy on Republicans.

????why not dummy!! They asked for 100's of unmaskings knowing they would snare some Republicans. 1+1=2

If you're saying a plan to snag americans illegally negotiating with foreign nations over american national security would turn out to be republicans you may have a point.

Just as sure as snagging people who download pictures of naked children off the internet turn out to be pedeophiles.

it's not illegal for Americans to negotiate with foriegn powers, moron.

If it involves issues of national security, it's a felony.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Just like Trump paid "legal fees" instead of "hush money"

if you have any idea what that means please tell us! Another embarrassing lie?

 

[bripat9643]

Repub let select committee investigation of Russian interference which took them 3 years to complete finally released their findings. They agree with intelligence agency that Russia engaged in activities to influence the election. They agreed to what the intelligence agency suspected and were investigating. Obama admin was well aware of what the Russians were doing and acted appropriate. Trump hired specific people who had experience with Russia. Some who were on the FBI radar for years prior to Trump hiring them. Flynn admitted to lying. He met with the Russians and then tried to deny it. Now he just wants to get no jail time. That is what makes american great. The ability to manipulate the justice system by people in power who are far more interested in self fulfilling motives than seeking justice as justice is in the eye of the beholder. So much for a blind justice system in which America was founded. Rich, poor, average joe, president are all equal under the justice system. Yet trump want to manipulate it for political purposes. He has yet to acknowledge Russian interference and sought an alternative argument about Ukraine interference. Yes Trump, just click you heels and you will go home but will look stupid clinking your heels. Trump actions will be written by history and it's road will be bumpy.

Committee findings

) FINDINGS U The Russian govemment directed extensive activity, beginning in at least 2014 and carrying into at least 2017, against U.S. election infrastructure' at the state and local level

That's all a non sequitur. The issue isn't whether Russia was trying to influence our election. The issue is whether the Trump administration conspired with them to do, and there isn't a shred of evidence to support that.

A fact supported by - every single person that testified.

They supported a non sequitur? Good for them.

I will say that about 60% of the time you don't understand my posts - at all.

Which is a bit of a shame actually.

I understand your moronic posts perfectly.

Really - You say this-
The issue is whether the Trump administration conspired with them to do, and there isn't a shred of evidence to support that.

I say to this buttress your point -
A fact supported by - every single person that testified.

And you think i have a moronic post.

Care to quote any of them saying that? All their testimony is available online.

I'll do you one better. I'll just let Don Jr say it. 'I love it': Donald Trump Jr. says about Russian dirt on Clinton in email
In it someone identified himself as a representative of the Russian Government and offered information on Trump's opponent. That meeting was taken and the Email expressed a desire to get that information from that representative.

Hmmm, sorry, but that doesn't qualify as "collusion" or a conspiracy to commit any crime. That's what Herr Mueller said.

 

[bripat9643]

Nobody (except for the NSA) knew whose name was under the "mask". Hence it could not have been a plan to spy on Republicans.

????why not dummy!! They asked for 100's of unmaskings knowing they would snare some Republicans. 1+1=2

If you're saying a plan to snag americans illegally negotiating with foreign nations over american national security would turn out to be republicans you may have a point.

Just as sure as snagging people who download pictures of naked children off the internet turn out to be pedeophiles.

it's not illegal for Americans to negotiate with foriegn powers, moron.

If it involves issues of national security, it's a felony.

Wrong again, moron.

 

[Lakhota]

We have a Bill of Rights to protect us from what liberal govt would do to us. One of those things is spy on us.
It is now clear that Obama was using our spy agencies to spy on his political adversaries, namely, General Flynn. Clearly this is against the law and basic American principles and should result in criminal penalties against those most responsible. Not only were they spying on political adversaries but they were leaking what they learned to the press, which is another crime, in hope of gaining political advantage.

Prove your NaziCon conspiracy theory lies - with CREDIBLE sources and proof.

 

[meaner gene]

Just like Trump paid "legal fees" instead of "hush money"

if you have any idea what that means please tell us! Another embarrassing lie?

Don't you remember when Trump paid $450K in "legal fees" to pay back $150K in "hush money" to Stephanie Clifford.

The other woman in modern history, the president claimed he didn't have sex with.

 

[dudmuck]

1) so you think Obama/Comey are criminals for using intelligence agencies to spy on Republicans? Can Trump do that now?

2) so you are pleased that Flynn at Trumps behest encouraged Russian not to attack the USA??

The only way Obama could spy on republicans is if they got caught conspiring to undermine national security with a foreign power.

So Obama could have only planned it, if he knew republicans were such traitors that they would undermine national security for political purposes.

So your conspiracy theory admits republicans put party above country.

That's just plain wrong, and stupid to boot. For one thing, there is no crime called "conspiring to undermine national security." For another, how would Obama know about it unless he was already spying on them?

His theory admits that Democrats are Stalinist douchebags who believe any opposition to their policies is treason.

 

[imawhosure]

We have a Bill of Rights to protect us from what liberal govt would do to us. One of those things is spy on us.
It is now clear that Obama was using our spy agencies to spy on his political adversaries, namely, General Flynn. Clearly this is against the law and basic American principles and should result in criminal penalties against those most responsible. Not only were they spying on political adversaries but they were leaking what they learned to the press, which is another crime, in hope of gaining political advantage.

The FBI was surveilling Russians, such as Kislyak.
Whoever these russians are communicating with are also surveilled as an unavoidable spurious consequence. But if they are US citizens, its important.

Duddly Do Wrong, you are NOT paying attention. If you do not believe me, look it up yourself---------------->

The 1st time Flynn was requested to be unmasked was AFTER the January 5th Oval Office meeting. Testimony from your peeps insist that they got the phone call transcript in late December in which Flynn was unmasked, then fed it to the media the day AFTER the Jan 5th meeting.

Please explain how that can be?

You can NOT be unmasked without a request to be unmasked from those who have that power, and yet, Flynn was to everyone, including the media, BEFORE a request was ever put in!

Check the timeline on when the requests were entered, and you will find no such request was asked for before it was even given to the media.

Flynn lied about being a foreign agent and traitor. He took $500k from Turkey to kidnap a cleric.
Unmasking is just a distraction from that.

Show us-)\

 

[dudmuck]

We have a Bill of Rights to protect us from what liberal govt would do to us. One of those things is spy on us.
It is now clear that Obama was using our spy agencies to spy on his political adversaries, namely, General Flynn. Clearly this is against the law and basic American principles and should result in criminal penalties against those most responsible. Not only were they spying on political adversaries but they were leaking what they learned to the press, which is another crime, in hope of gaining political advantage.

The FBI was surveilling Russians, such as Kislyak.
Whoever these russians are communicating with are also surveilled as an unavoidable spurious consequence. But if they are US citizens, its important.

Duddly Do Wrong, you are NOT paying attention. If you do not believe me, look it up yourself---------------->

The 1st time Flynn was requested to be unmasked was AFTER the January 5th Oval Office meeting. Testimony from your peeps insist that they got the phone call transcript in late December in which Flynn was unmasked, then fed it to the media the day AFTER the Jan 5th meeting.

Please explain how that can be?

You can NOT be unmasked without a request to be unmasked from those who have that power, and yet, Flynn was to everyone, including the media, BEFORE a request was ever put in!

Check the timeline on when the requests were entered, and you will find no such request was asked for before it was even given to the media.

Flynn lied about being a foreign agent and traitor. He took $500k from Turkey to kidnap a cleric.
Unmasking is just a distraction from that.

Show us-)\

Flynn's firm allegedly received a half a million dollars to help sway public opinion against Gulen, including writing an op-ed and producing a documentary.

And was offered $15 million to extradite him.