Exposing Another Conservative Lie

[eagle1462010]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

And only 8,454 are gun murder, and only 505 are accidental gun deaths...the rest suicide....and if you were to ban guns....you would have 21,041 people hanging themselves...which is the most popular method around the world, or jumping off bridges...you could have suicide tourism for the Golden Gate Bridge......and taking pillls or poison......

505 "accidental gun deaths"
31,500 "on purpose gun deaths"

Which is .00987% of the population of the United States............as we have 318.9 million people here.

 

[2aguy]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

And only 8,454 are gun murder, and only 505 are accidental gun deaths...the rest suicide....and if you were to ban guns....you would have 21,041 people hanging themselves...which is the most popular method around the world, or jumping off bridges...you could have suicide tourism for the Golden Gate Bridge......and taking pillls or poison......

505 "accidental gun deaths"
31,500 "on purpose gun deaths"

You mean 22, 541 suicides....and in Japan that would be 45,082 deaths by hanging, jumping in front of trains and poison....no guns used at all......a person taking their own life will take it using whatever is at hand....a girl my mother worked with did it with a can of gasoline in her car.....so adding suicides into the number is a lame attempt to increase your numbers.......

only 8,454 gun murders....mostly by gang members and drug dealers in the inner cities....concentrated in small, multi block areas....

and 505 accidental gun deaths.............

again...drowning, falling and cars kill way more people...and you don't care about those deaths.....

 

[2aguy]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

And only 8,454 are gun murder, and only 505 are accidental gun deaths...the rest suicide....and if you were to ban guns....you would have 21,041 people hanging themselves...which is the most popular method around the world, or jumping off bridges...you could have suicide tourism for the Golden Gate Bridge......and taking pillls or poison......

505 "accidental gun deaths"
31,500 "on purpose gun deaths"

And now again, the truth and reality....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


So even suicides are outnumbered by cars, alcohol,, gravity and poisons.......

Gun murder 2013....8,454....


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

 

[Auld Phart]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

Hypothetical.

Which of these scenarios do you think would have the most impact on the crime stats in this country.

Removing 300 million guns

or

Removing 30 million negroes?

Hypothetically...trying to take 300 million guns from their owners is going to create MAJOR problems.

and increase the underground gun sale business.

Doubt you will be able to get 30 million blacks to leave either.

 

[thereisnospoon]

This board is filled with threads from conservatives about guns. They claim that having more guns makes people more safe. That "gun free zones" or places with proper regulation of guns are more dangerous and have more people hurt by guns.

Here's a list of the 10 states with the most gun violence. While the conservatives lie the facts speak for themselves.

Notice all but one state is a red state. New Mexico is a purple state. I don't know what the gun laws are in New Mexico but we all know that red states have loosened their laws on guns which has put more guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.


10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

So when you see a gun toting criminal about to break into your home, call the cops. And remind them to send the county coroner.
Statistics can be skewed any way one wants to in order to fulfill an agenda.
Troll thread.

 

[thereisnospoon]

This board is filled with threads from conservatives about guns. They claim that having more guns makes people more safe. That "gun free zones" or places with proper regulation of guns are more dangerous and have more people hurt by guns.

Here's a list of the 10 states with the most gun violence. While the conservatives lie the facts speak for themselves.

Notice all but one state is a red state. New Mexico is a purple state. I don't know what the gun laws are in New Mexico but we all know that red states have loosened their laws on guns which has put more guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.


10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

Go bake cookies, you twit.

 

[2aguy]

Do you anti-gun nuts realize that non firearm suicides are 19,974 in 2013.....that means no guns used.....

With guns 21,175......so tell us again that people will stop committing suicide if they don't have a gun.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

 

[2aguy]

This board is filled with threads from conservatives about guns. They claim that having more guns makes people more safe. That "gun free zones" or places with proper regulation of guns are more dangerous and have more people hurt by guns.

Here's a list of the 10 states with the most gun violence. While the conservatives lie the facts speak for themselves.

Notice all but one state is a red state. New Mexico is a purple state. I don't know what the gun laws are in New Mexico but we all know that red states have loosened their laws on guns which has put more guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.


10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

And again...for new arrivals....more Americans own guns today and actually carry them for self defense.....there are over 320 million people...and over 320 million guns in private hands.....and 90 million homes with guns in them....and over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense..........

And the gun murder rate is going down.....not up.....and the accidental gun death rate is going down...not up....

Again....more people own and carry guns than ever before.....

And the crime rate as well as the gun murder rate is going down......your post is stupid......but....as an anti gunner...that is to be expected.....

 

[rightwinger]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

Good god...are you really going there?

What number would you be satisfied with?
50,000?
100,000?

We should go there since your intent on promoting falsehoods. Your promoting the idea reducing the number of guns will reduce the murder rate, when there is no correlation between the murder rate and gun ownership rate. Whereas Blacks commit half of the murders, and this is a fact as shown by FBI data

Of course there is a correlation

No other civilized nation has the number of guns we have in open circulation
No other nation has to endure our murder rate

Most have a murder rate one fifth of ours

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

Hypothetical.

Which of these scenarios do you think would have the most impact on the crime stats in this country.

Removing 300 million guns

or

Removing 30 million negroes?

Hypothetically...trying to take 300 million guns from their owners is going to create MAJOR problems.

and increase the underground gun sale business.

Doubt you will be able to get 30 million blacks to leave either.

To be clear, I don't think EITHER should happen. I was merely setting up a hypothetical.

It is clear from the statistics that all the whining and wailing about guns is partisan bullshit. Even when counting ALL gun deaths in the equation , i the state with the HIGHEST gun deaths per , gun deaths still only account for 2.5% of all deaths.

2.5% is a statistical error, I mean of course every death matters, but the fact remains we cant even say with any certainty that most of those who die from guns every year wouldn't die from other means if guns weren't available.

That's just the non partisan truth.

 

[rightwinger]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

And only 8,454 are gun murder, and only 505 are accidental gun deaths...the rest suicide....and if you were to ban guns....you would have 21,041 people hanging themselves...which is the most popular method around the world, or jumping off bridges...you could have suicide tourism for the Golden Gate Bridge......and taking pillls or poison......

505 "accidental gun deaths"
31,500 "on purpose gun deaths"

And now again, the truth and reality....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


So even suicides are outnumbered by cars, alcohol,, gravity and poisons.......

Gun murder 2013....8,454....


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

Accidental deaths?
Are you serious?

With guns we are dealing with "On purpose deaths"

 

[2aguy]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

Good god...are you really going there?

What number would you be satisfied with?
50,000?
100,000?

We should go there since your intent on promoting falsehoods. Your promoting the idea reducing the number of guns will reduce the murder rate, when there is no correlation between the murder rate and gun ownership rate. Whereas Blacks commit half of the murders, and this is a fact as shown by FBI data

Of course there is a correlation

No other civilized nation has the number of guns we have in open circulation
No other nation has to endure our murder rate

Most have a murder rate one fifth of ours

And those other nations had less murder before they banned their guns.........and since Britain banned their guns their violent crime rate is now 2 times our violent crime rate......without guns......

Culture is the factor....inner city gangs and drug dealers cause our gun murder problem...get them under control and our gun murder rate is the same or lower than Europe...

And again.....in France....a country you anti-gun nuts love....which has extreme gun control....no gun stores, no access to guns for civilians......they had 3 terrorists....2 on a government terrorist watch list, one a convicted felon.....bought fully automatic rifles, hand grenades, pistols, a rocket propelled grenade and 30 round magazines....by crossing an international border into a country that also has extreme gun control laws...crossed back....and did it easily...and used those guns when they wanted to...

And that same week.....masked gunmen shot up a Marseilles neighborhood with fully automatic weapons hours before the French Prime Minister was going there to give a speech on successful crime prevention......

Criminals in Europe can get whatever guns they want, when they want or need them easily.......with gun laws that are extreme compared to our.....

 

[Auld Phart]

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

And only 8,454 are gun murder, and only 505 are accidental gun deaths...the rest suicide....and if you were to ban guns....you would have 21,041 people hanging themselves...which is the most popular method around the world, or jumping off bridges...you could have suicide tourism for the Golden Gate Bridge......and taking pillls or poison......

505 "accidental gun deaths"
31,500 "on purpose gun deaths"

And now again, the truth and reality....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


So even suicides are outnumbered by cars, alcohol,, gravity and poisons.......

Gun murder 2013....8,454....


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

Accidental deaths?
Are you serious?

With guns we are dealing with "On purpose deaths"

Just like drownings are on purpose, overdoses are on purpose, vehicular deaths are on purpose, etc.

 

[Toro]

Don't come here. Stay far away.

Will do.

You don't have to tell me twice!

 

[2aguy]

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

And only 8,454 are gun murder, and only 505 are accidental gun deaths...the rest suicide....and if you were to ban guns....you would have 21,041 people hanging themselves...which is the most popular method around the world, or jumping off bridges...you could have suicide tourism for the Golden Gate Bridge......and taking pillls or poison......

505 "accidental gun deaths"
31,500 "on purpose gun deaths"

And now again, the truth and reality....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


So even suicides are outnumbered by cars, alcohol,, gravity and poisons.......

Gun murder 2013....8,454....


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

Accidental deaths?
Are you serious?

With guns we are dealing with "On purpose deaths"

Suicides don't count...they can commit suicide with anything they want and do so in Japan, South Korea and other countries with strict gun control laws....rope is the preferred method.....

and we only had 8,454 gun murders.......intentional taking of a life with a gun.......in 2013 and that number is way down from past years.....

With our increased gun ownership our gun murder rate is going down, not up.....

 

[Auld Phart]

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

And only 8,454 are gun murder, and only 505 are accidental gun deaths...the rest suicide....and if you were to ban guns....you would have 21,041 people hanging themselves...which is the most popular method around the world, or jumping off bridges...you could have suicide tourism for the Golden Gate Bridge......and taking pillls or poison......

505 "accidental gun deaths"
31,500 "on purpose gun deaths"

And now again, the truth and reality....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


So even suicides are outnumbered by cars, alcohol,, gravity and poisons.......

Gun murder 2013....8,454....


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

Accidental deaths?
Are you serious?

With guns we are dealing with "On purpose deaths"

Suicides don't count...they can commit suicide with anything they want and do so in Japan, South Korea and other countries with strict gun control laws....rope is the preferred method.....

and we only had 8,454 gun murders.......intentional taking of a life with a gun.......in 2013 and that number is way down from past years.....

With our increased gun ownership our gun murder rate is going down, not up.....

But, but, but....if they don't have a gun, they aren't going to kill themselves.

They aren't going to jump off a building, drink poison, cut their wrists, etc...

The gun MADE them commit suicide.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

And only 8,454 are gun murder, and only 505 are accidental gun deaths...the rest suicide....and if you were to ban guns....you would have 21,041 people hanging themselves...which is the most popular method around the world, or jumping off bridges...you could have suicide tourism for the Golden Gate Bridge......and taking pillls or poison......

505 "accidental gun deaths"
31,500 "on purpose gun deaths"

And now again, the truth and reality....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


So even suicides are outnumbered by cars, alcohol,, gravity and poisons.......

Gun murder 2013....8,454....


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

Accidental deaths?
Are you serious?

With guns we are dealing with "On purpose deaths"

Just like drownings are on purpose, overdoses are on purpose, vehicular deaths are on purpose, etc.

I hate to tell you Sparky but there are all manner of accidental deaths , including accidental gun deaths, and all manner of intentional deaths, including drownings and overdoses

 

[jillian]

This board is filled with threads from conservatives about guns. They claim that having more guns makes people more safe. That "gun free zones" or places with proper regulation of guns are more dangerous and have more people hurt by guns.

Here's a list of the 10 states with the most gun violence. While the conservatives lie the facts speak for themselves.

Notice all but one state is a red state. New Mexico is a purple state. I don't know what the gun laws are in New Mexico but we all know that red states have loosened their laws on guns which has put more guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.


10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

they get upset when you point out that most mass shootings are committed by white christian men with legal guns.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

This board is filled with threads from conservatives about guns. They claim that having more guns makes people more safe. That "gun free zones" or places with proper regulation of guns are more dangerous and have more people hurt by guns.

Here's a list of the 10 states with the most gun violence. While the conservatives lie the facts speak for themselves.

Notice all but one state is a red state. New Mexico is a purple state. I don't know what the gun laws are in New Mexico but we all know that red states have loosened their laws on guns which has put more guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.


10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

they get upset when you point out that most mass shootings are committed by white christian men with legal guns.

bullshit.

Name the last mass shooting committed by a white Christian with a legal gun

 

[Steinlight]

There is no statistical correlation between the gun ownership rate and the murder rate state to state. But I am not surprised many southern red states have high murder rates, given their sizable black populations.

Blame the negroes.......not the 300 million guns we have in circulation

300 million guns in circulation

30,000 deaths.

Wonder what percentage that is?

Good god...are you really going there?

What number would you be satisfied with?
50,000?
100,000?

We should go there since your intent on promoting falsehoods. Your promoting the idea reducing the number of guns will reduce the murder rate, when there is no correlation between the murder rate and gun ownership rate. Whereas Blacks commit half of the murders, and this is a fact as shown by FBI data

Of course there is a correlation

No other civilized nation has the number of guns we have in open circulation
No other nation has to endure our murder rate

Most have a murder rate one fifth of ours

In the US, state by state, there is no correlation between gun ownership and the murder rate
For example, the District of Columbia has the lowest gun ownership rate(3.7%), but the highest gun murder rate of the 50 states and D.C.(16 per 100,000) Wyoming has the highest gun ownership rate(59.7%), but the 7th lowest gun murder rate at 0.9 per 100,000(behind Iowa, Idaho, and Utah who tie for 6th at 0.8 per 100,000). The gun ownership rates in those three states respectively are 42.9%(16th highest gun ownership rate), 55.3%(6th highest gun ownership rate), and 43.9%(14th highest gun ownership).

This is just to give you idea there is no statistical correlation between gun ownership rate and the gun murder rate on a state by state basis.

Gun violence in the United States by state - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You are simply wrong, there is no correlation between gun ownership rates and murder rate between Western nations. The US is a statistical anomaly because of our large black population.

If you actually look within the countries of the Western world, there is no correlation between the gun ownership rate and the gun murder rate.

For example, if we look at table six in this Harvard Study I will link below, Czech Republic has the highest gun murder rate at .92 per 100,000, but about 27 guns per 100,000 in the population, whereas Finland and Sweden have respective 411 guns person 100,00 in the population and 246.65, and have respective gun murder rates of .87 per 100,000 in Finland and .31 per 100,000 in Sweden.


http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf