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In a managed way, some deforestation in some strategic locations along with the removal of underbrush fuel in many locations, otherwise to then be replaced with other less volital and ignitable growth is another solution yes.What do you think vegetation management is for ????? ROTFLMBO.Trump doesn't understand science... He thinks climate change is a hoax.
California has lots of droughts, they get a great deal of wind... a simple camp fire during no-burn seasons, or even some idiot throwing his cigarette butt outside their car window, can start a fire that spreads like crazy. It has nothing do with management. People can't control droughts, and those that break the law.
You think deforestation is the answer?
Firefighters have their life on the line and our President blames them
Firefighter groups: Trump's California wildfire tweet was 'shameful' and 'ill-informed'
The presidents of two professional firefighters associations have denounced President Donald Trump's assertion that "gross mismanagement of the forests" is to blame for California's devastating fires.
California Professional Firefighters president Brian Rice called the President's words "ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning" in a written statement.
Harold Schaitberger, General President of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said the comments were "reckless and insulting."
Since when do firefighters work for the forestry service?
They do not make fire cuts and do not pre-emptively burn off undergrowth. Therefore, when it burns, it all burns, 5x more than needs to be
Since when do firefighters work for the forestry service?
There's a budgetary connection.
They do not make fire cuts and do not pre-emptively burn off undergrowth. Therefore, when it burns, it all burns, 5x more than needs to be
Yes they do , i even got some minor burns when the wind changed on me , deciding i could be jumpin' jack flash
it was a gas gas gas.....
Proof?
Excellent, and absolutely correct.Firefighters have their life on the line and our President blames them
Firefighter groups: Trump's California wildfire tweet was 'shameful' and 'ill-informed'
The presidents of two professional firefighters associations have denounced President Donald Trump's assertion that "gross mismanagement of the forests" is to blame for California's devastating fires.
California Professional Firefighters president Brian Rice called the President's words "ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning" in a written statement.
Harold Schaitberger, General President of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said the comments were "reckless and insulting."
Presidential words on firefighters:
"There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor," Trump tweeted. "Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"Aw, come on, rwer, you're already working on the next election since it seems unlikely your party can carry through its plan of impeaching President Trump sans any solid evidence that he would ever harm this country. The two above "tweets" tell me a story with other aspects than politics:
Later on Saturday, Trump tweeted appreciation for the firefighters battling the blazes: "Our hearts are with those fighting the fires, the 52,000 who have evacuated, and the families of the 11 who have died. The destruction is catastrophic. God Bless them all."
He is looking into firing people who mismanage forests so blatantly that the fires destroyed too many people's homes and businesses. That's just how our elected President Donald Trump has always rolled when he sees a business blooper in his own realm. He likely will prompt people in the forest management to recharge their priorities to make certain national forests do not create a fire hazard to nearby communitites with a failure to remove incendiaries from being too close to real property next door. The forest service will have to trim back the size of the forest several yards all the way around or he will kick they butts for endangering adjacent property owners with death and home loss due to fire of bordering trees that grow too close to property lines of American citizens he cares about it.It's a scandal that the unified hate-filled leftwing press who could not do enough to President Trump the other day at the White House are having such fun decimating his character from the comfort of their internets at home to mislead our dear firefighters into thinking that they are not supported. Even so, it doesn't surprise me one bit, because the liberal press has proven only that they as a body are indeed, sore losers and continue on beating up on every word that can be misinterpreted by those naughty, naughty products of liberal journalism departments that are now becoming known as deceit centers of the universities they strangle with arrogant, unkind harassment against conservatives one and all..
Secondly, he has nothing but admiration and respect for the firefighting community, a few who took umbrage of President Trump's tweets are detractors who love to misinterpret what he said to specific audiences with their inaccurate spin on what was actually said and meant by President Trump.
Firefighters are close to being my favorite people on this planet. They are first responders, and I'm not the only American citizen who loves the ground they grace by walking on top of it with their fire-resistant boots and a hundred pounds of firefighting equipment on their backs headed into a cruel fire. But the California firefighters are so busy right now, they may not have had the opportunity to read anything but what the loud mouth limes out there were blathering inanities about President Trump on television, and information may have been grossly misinterpreted by the rabid press to very tired and very sleep-deprived leaders in the first responder community, due to their being out there where the rubber hits the roads (and smells to high heaven) in California where the fires are so heinously consuming when they spread into bordering homes and properties due to the proximity of burning dry vegetation and high winds blowing sparks further than usual. Paving a large area with fire-resistant pavement may be the only answer for containing such a fire from communities bordering the fire, but the President I am sure wants a change made to protect California liberals from loss of home, bread and butter.
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'Trump blames fires, erroneously, on California forest management. Firefighters call it a 'shameful attack'
`"Trump said poor forest management policies caused the fires plaguing the state, even though the massive Woolsey fire didn’t occur in a forest.The Woolsey fire started near Simi Valley in a hillside area next to the old Santa Susana Field Lab and quickly spread into nearby suburban communities.
Some firefighters took to social media to point out the distinction.“Mr. President, with all due respect, you are wrong. The fires in So. Cal are urban interface fires and have NOTHING to do with forest management. Come to SoCal and learn the facts & help the victims,” the Pasadena Firefighters Assn. said on Twitter.
Experts have said forest management was not a factor in California’s two most destructive fires: the Camp, which has burned more than 6,000 structures this week in Paradise, and the Tubbs fire last year in wine country.Forest thinning would not have stopped either fire. Fueled by dry grass growing amid scattered pine and oak trees, the Camp fire tore across land thinned by flames just 10 years ago. The Tubbs fire burned grassy oak woodlands, not timber land."
People blindly follow a dumb-fuck of a president.
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People blindly follow a dumb-fuck of a president.`
You're right. They determined after the Yellowstone fire way back that too much fiddling around and "management" of the forests just made fires worse. Maybe they've changed their minds again, or have a different idea about forested areas near populated areas, but I know for a long time they felt that it was best to let Mother Nature take her course.The fire fighters have to come in and risk their lives after the gross mismanagement of the state. Fire fighters have nothing to do with forestry management.
Did someone pull their Chatty Cathy string so they "gotta blame Trump for something."
No embers to worry about if the forest was properly managed, because the fire couldn't get hot enough to create the kind of embers you speak of, and if the proper buffer zones were created, an ember would burn out before causing any damage on re-entry for re-ingition. Yes embers are a problem sure, but the type of embers can be controlled on the front end instead of waiting for them on the back end.In my younger and crazier days I lived in Northern California.
I personally saw several major wildfires.
Every one destroyed homes that were built in forested areas whose owners had not bothered to clear a "defensible space" around those homes.
Every one fueled by underbrush and deadfall left on the ground due to environmental objections to cleaning it up and thinning the fuel load.
Californis is burning because California's Democrat "leaders" WANT California to burn.
"Defensible space" doesn't matter when the winds can pick up embers and carry them miles and catch houses on fire. Just yesterday a guy on MSNBC was covering the fire and he was standing in a subdivision with no trees around, and a random house caught fire from a flying ember.
More than likely Trump will be remembered as the faux literate potus .....
No embers to worry about if the forest was properly managed, because the fire couldn't get hot enough to create the kind of embers you speak of, and if the proper buffer zones were created, an ember would burn out before causing any damage on re-entry for re-ingition. Yes embers are a problem sure, but the type of embers can be controlled on the front end instead of waiting for them on the back end.In my younger and crazier days I lived in Northern California.
I personally saw several major wildfires.
Every one destroyed homes that were built in forested areas whose owners had not bothered to clear a "defensible space" around those homes.
Every one fueled by underbrush and deadfall left on the ground due to environmental objections to cleaning it up and thinning the fuel load.
Californis is burning because California's Democrat "leaders" WANT California to burn.
"Defensible space" doesn't matter when the winds can pick up embers and carry them miles and catch houses on fire. Just yesterday a guy on MSNBC was covering the fire and he was standing in a subdivision with no trees around, and a random house caught fire from a flying ember.
Why not this, in the most volital areas of possibility, install huge sprinkler systems like they do for the crops down south or out west and/or in the north west ???
I mean down in New Orleans they have this elaborate pump system that had to be upgraded due to failure in Hurricane Katrina. If we can address a situation like that, and build massive windmills for power, and extract oil from miles beneath the oceans, build the interstate highway system, the Panama canal, these massive dams, and on and on it goes, yet we can't fix a problem with wildfires in a place that has been plagued with them for centuries ??? If there's a problem, then we fix it, but with liberals in charge, oh well just look at crime in major cities in order to look no further.
No embers to worry about if the forest was properly managed, because the fire couldn't get hot enough to create the kind of embers you speak of, and if the proper buffer zones were created, an ember would burn out before causing any damage on re-entry for re-ingition. Yes embers are a problem sure, but the type of embers can be controlled on the front end instead of waiting for them on the back end.In my younger and crazier days I lived in Northern California.
I personally saw several major wildfires.
Every one destroyed homes that were built in forested areas whose owners had not bothered to clear a "defensible space" around those homes.
Every one fueled by underbrush and deadfall left on the ground due to environmental objections to cleaning it up and thinning the fuel load.
Californis is burning because California's Democrat "leaders" WANT California to burn.
"Defensible space" doesn't matter when the winds can pick up embers and carry them miles and catch houses on fire. Just yesterday a guy on MSNBC was covering the fire and he was standing in a subdivision with no trees around, and a random house caught fire from a flying ember.
Why not this, in the most volital areas of possibility, install huge sprinkler systems like they do for the crops down south or out west and/or in the north west ???
I mean down in New Orleans they have this elaborate pump system that had to be upgraded due to failure in Hurricane Katrina. If we can address a situation like that, and build massive windmills for power, and extract oil from miles beneath the oceans, build the interstate highway system, the Panama canal, these massive dams, and on and on it goes, yet we can't fix a problem with wildfires in a place that has been plagued with them for centuries ??? If there's a problem, then we fix it, but with liberals in charge, oh well just look at crime in major cities in order to look no further.
Brian Rice should be replaced, because he is an idiot period.Firefighters have their life on the line and our President blames them
Firefighter groups: Trump's California wildfire tweet was 'shameful' and 'ill-informed'
The presidents of two professional firefighters associations have denounced President Donald Trump's assertion that "gross mismanagement of the forests" is to blame for California's devastating fires.
California Professional Firefighters president Brian Rice called the President's words "ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning" in a written statement.
Harold Schaitberger, General President of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said the comments were "reckless and insulting."
I am a tad confused by this.
Is forest management a duty of the fire department? Maybe it is, and I just don't know.
California's Devastating Fires Are Man-Caused -- But Not In The Way They Tell Us
All the evidence suggests that Trump is right. Why firefighters whom Trump was not directing any comments towards, are angry about this..... is stupid.
What did he say, that had anything to do with firefighters? Did I miss something?
IMO...almost all the evidence suggests the opposite.
'California Professional Firefighters president Brian Rice called the President's words "ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning" in a written statement.'
If the California Professional Firefighters President says Trump's words were "ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning"? Whom is more likely to know if they were or not? Trump or the California Professional Firefighters President?
The answer is obvious....and it ain't Trump.
The fact that Trump later made a suck up tweet to the firefighters strongly suggests (to me) that he (or someone on his staff) realized he made an error and was trying to 'be nice' to cover up Trump's original tweet mistake.
Firefighters have their life on the line and our President blames them
Firefighter groups: Trump's California wildfire tweet was 'shameful' and 'ill-informed'
The presidents of two professional firefighters associations have denounced President Donald Trump's assertion that "gross mismanagement of the forests" is to blame for California's devastating fires.
California Professional Firefighters president Brian Rice called the President's words "ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning" in a written statement.
Harold Schaitberger, General President of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said the comments were "reckless and insulting."
