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Florida has more gun homicides

Here you go.....his study he commissioned through his Dept. of Justice is highlighted and later supported by obama's 2013 CDC research into all available gun research...also highlighted.....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)


Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....
And here we have studies that

That is the same false crap you always post. Many of your surveys say less than 1.5 btw. Give me a link to where bill Clinton researched and arrived at the number.

It doesn't matter. Your arguments are ridiculous.

99.9% of people who are arrested by cops are in fact guilty, and when found not guilty by a jury of their fellow idiots that proves that the right to a jury is dangerous to America. Do you want to give up your right to a jury trial should you be arrested and charged with a crime.

Your argument sounds ridiculous...

Crime, all crime has been declining gun ownership is increasing seems to suggest that more guns equals less crime

You would have to show that ownership is increasing and when that trend started. Accidental death increased dramatically in 2014.


And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......
 
That is the same false crap you always post. Many of your surveys say less than 1.5 btw. Give me a link to where bill Clinton researched and arrived at the number.

It doesn't matter. Your arguments are ridiculous.

99.9% of people who are arrested by cops are in fact guilty, and when found not guilty by a jury of their fellow idiots that proves that the right to a jury is dangerous to America. Do you want to give up your right to a jury trial should you be arrested and charged with a crime.

Your argument sounds ridiculous...

Crime, all crime has been declining gun ownership is increasing seems to suggest that more guns equals less crime

You would have to show that ownership is increasing and when that trend started. Accidental death increased dramatically in 2014.

I thought you were talking about crimes not accidental deaths make up your mind

BTW accidental deaths are just that and have no bearing on the right to bear arms
If you really gave a shit about accidental deaths there are many more things in this world that accidentally kill far more people than guns ever have or will.


And if they cared about accidental deaths they would be pushing to get the Fire Department or Police department to teach gun safety to children.....and they fight that tooth and nail...they need dead kids to push their agenda.......
 
That is the same false crap you always post. Many of your surveys say less than 1.5 btw. Give me a link to where bill Clinton researched and arrived at the number.

It doesn't matter. Your arguments are ridiculous.

99.9% of people who are arrested by cops are in fact guilty, and when found not guilty by a jury of their fellow idiots that proves that the right to a jury is dangerous to America. Do you want to give up your right to a jury trial should you be arrested and charged with a crime.

Your argument sounds ridiculous...

Crime, all crime has been declining gun ownership is increasing seems to suggest that more guns equals less crime

You would have to show that ownership is increasing and when that trend started. Accidental death increased dramatically in 2014.


And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......

Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.
 
It doesn't matter. Your arguments are ridiculous.

99.9% of people who are arrested by cops are in fact guilty, and when found not guilty by a jury of their fellow idiots that proves that the right to a jury is dangerous to America. Do you want to give up your right to a jury trial should you be arrested and charged with a crime.

Your argument sounds ridiculous...

Crime, all crime has been declining gun ownership is increasing seems to suggest that more guns equals less crime

You would have to show that ownership is increasing and when that trend started. Accidental death increased dramatically in 2014.


And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......

Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.


Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....
 
Your argument sounds ridiculous...

Crime, all crime has been declining gun ownership is increasing seems to suggest that more guns equals less crime

You would have to show that ownership is increasing and when that trend started. Accidental death increased dramatically in 2014.


And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......

Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.


Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

That is an interesting claim. You going to back that up with a none gun nut link? I doubt new permits are to new gun owners.
 
Your argument sounds ridiculous...

Crime, all crime has been declining gun ownership is increasing seems to suggest that more guns equals less crime

You would have to show that ownership is increasing and when that trend started. Accidental death increased dramatically in 2014.


And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......

Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.


Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.
 
Crime, all crime has been declining gun ownership is increasing seems to suggest that more guns equals less crime

You would have to show that ownership is increasing and when that trend started. Accidental death increased dramatically in 2014.


And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......

Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.


Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.


Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.
 
You would have to show that ownership is increasing and when that trend started. Accidental death increased dramatically in 2014.


And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......

Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.


Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.


Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.
 
And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......

Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.


Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.


Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.


Moron.......the one most likely to be shot is the felon who has the illegal gun........when he is shot by the other felon....

90% of gun murders are committed by felons with one or more felony convictions....including shooting their girlfriends, drug dealers, drug buyers, or wives.....

70-80% of the gun murder victims are also convicted felons shot by their drug dealer, drug buyer, fellow gang banger, girlfriend or wife.....

Keep lying you moron.
 
Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.


Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.


Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.


Moron.......the one most likely to be shot is the felon who has the illegal gun........when he is shot by the other felon....

90% of gun murders are committed by felons with one or more felony convictions....including shooting their girlfriends, drug dealers, drug buyers, or wives.....

70-80% of the gun murder victims are also convicted felons shot by their drug dealer, drug buyer, fellow gang banger, girlfriend or wife.....

Keep lying you moron.

Based on who is killed it is the gun owner.
 
Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.


Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.


Moron.......the one most likely to be shot is the felon who has the illegal gun........when he is shot by the other felon....

90% of gun murders are committed by felons with one or more felony convictions....including shooting their girlfriends, drug dealers, drug buyers, or wives.....

70-80% of the gun murder victims are also convicted felons shot by their drug dealer, drug buyer, fellow gang banger, girlfriend or wife.....

Keep lying you moron.

Based on who is killed it is the gun owner.


Yes....convicted felons who have illegal guns are technically the gun owner....but since they are not allowed to own the gun in the first place you whole point is fucking stupid.
 
Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.


Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.


Moron.......the one most likely to be shot is the felon who has the illegal gun........when he is shot by the other felon....

90% of gun murders are committed by felons with one or more felony convictions....including shooting their girlfriends, drug dealers, drug buyers, or wives.....

70-80% of the gun murder victims are also convicted felons shot by their drug dealer, drug buyer, fellow gang banger, girlfriend or wife.....

Keep lying you moron.

Based on who is killed it is the gun owner.


And more truth....

breakdown of the 90% of murderers have records..really good...

JURIST - The Criminology of Firearms


In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

Throughout this essay I highlight dramatic recantations by criminologists who previously endorsed stringent gun control. For example, Professor David Mustard has stated in an article [PDF] for the University of Pennsylvania Law Review:

When I started my research on guns [at the University of Chicago] in 1995, I passionately disliked firearms and fully accepted the conventional wisdom that increasing the gun-ownership rate would necessarily raise violent crime and accidental deaths. My views on this subject were formed primarily by media accounts of firearms, which unknowingly to me systematically emphasized the costs of firearms while virtually ignoring their benefits. I thought it obvious that passing laws that permitted law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons would create many problems. It is now over six years since I became convinced otherwise and concluded that shall issue laws — laws that require [gun carry permits] to be granted unless the applicant has a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness — reduce violent crime and have no impact on accidental deaths.Actual research results — as opposed to unsupported opinions — pose a question embarrassed gun prohibitionists invariably try to evade: why ban guns to ordinary owners, i.e., people who never commit gun crimes? (This query does not at all impugn our laws against previously convicted felons having guns).



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Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.


Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.


Moron.......the one most likely to be shot is the felon who has the illegal gun........when he is shot by the other felon....

90% of gun murders are committed by felons with one or more felony convictions....including shooting their girlfriends, drug dealers, drug buyers, or wives.....

70-80% of the gun murder victims are also convicted felons shot by their drug dealer, drug buyer, fellow gang banger, girlfriend or wife.....

Keep lying you moron.

Based on who is killed it is the gun owner.


Yes....convicted felons who have illegal guns are technically the gun owner....but since they are not allowed to own the gun in the first place you whole point is fucking stupid.

Most are killed in suicide by their gun. The owner is the most likely person to be killed by far.
 
Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.


Moron.......the one most likely to be shot is the felon who has the illegal gun........when he is shot by the other felon....

90% of gun murders are committed by felons with one or more felony convictions....including shooting their girlfriends, drug dealers, drug buyers, or wives.....

70-80% of the gun murder victims are also convicted felons shot by their drug dealer, drug buyer, fellow gang banger, girlfriend or wife.....

Keep lying you moron.

Based on who is killed it is the gun owner.


Yes....convicted felons who have illegal guns are technically the gun owner....but since they are not allowed to own the gun in the first place you whole point is fucking stupid.

Most are killed in suicide by their gun. The owner is the most likely person to be killed by far.


So.....China, Japan and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do and only their criminals are allowed to have guns.....dittos France, Finland, Poland and all kinds of other gun grabbing places.....

And our people use guns to stop violent criminal attack 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.........

If someone kills themeselves that is on them, not me.....improve mental health treatment......don't violate the civil rights of the owners of 357,000,000 privately owned guns who don't use them to kill themselves.
 
Why are you letting this moron drag you into this argument?

You no more have to justify your 2nd Amendment rights, than he has to justify his 1st Amendment rights. Case closed.
 
That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.


Moron.......the one most likely to be shot is the felon who has the illegal gun........when he is shot by the other felon....

90% of gun murders are committed by felons with one or more felony convictions....including shooting their girlfriends, drug dealers, drug buyers, or wives.....

70-80% of the gun murder victims are also convicted felons shot by their drug dealer, drug buyer, fellow gang banger, girlfriend or wife.....

Keep lying you moron.

Based on who is killed it is the gun owner.


Yes....convicted felons who have illegal guns are technically the gun owner....but since they are not allowed to own the gun in the first place you whole point is fucking stupid.

Most are killed in suicide by their gun. The owner is the most likely person to be killed by far.


So.....China, Japan and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do and only their criminals are allowed to have guns.....dittos France, Finland, Poland and all kinds of other gun grabbing places.....

And our people use guns to stop violent criminal attack 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.........

If someone kills themeselves that is on them, not me.....improve mental health treatment......don't violate the civil rights of the owners of 357,000,000 privately owned guns who don't use them to kill themselves.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot and killed by far is the owner. Some safety device.
 
Why are you letting this moron drag you into this argument?

You no more have to justify your 2nd Amendment rights, than he has to justify his 1st Amendment rights. Case closed.


Sadly, that isn't true....morons like brain are lying to normal people...who vote...and they vote for gun grabbers....it won't matter if we have the 2nd Amendment if it is gutted by the anti gun justices appointed by democrat politicians.......

And arguing with brain allows me to do more research.....I find a lot of useful research when I have to show how stupid he is and how much he lies....
 
Why are you letting this moron drag you into this argument?

You no more have to justify your 2nd Amendment rights, than he has to justify his 1st Amendment rights. Case closed.


Sadly, that isn't true....morons like brain are lying to normal people...who vote...and they vote for gun grabbers....it won't matter if we have the 2nd Amendment if it is gutted by the anti gun justices appointed by democrat politicians.......

And arguing with brain allows me to do more research.....I find a lot of useful research when I have to show how stupid he is and how much he lies....

You mostly produce lies on top of lies. Most your research comes from a disgraced economist.
 
And that is a lie.......guns in private hands went from 320,000,000 million in 2013 to 357,000,000 in 2015.....the increase in gun accidents was a total from 505 in 2013 to 586 in 2014........taken with the increase in gun ownership between 2013 and 2014 and it is just as insignificant as it was when there were 320,000,000 guns in private hands......

But keep lying......

Bubba isn't more likely to shoot himself with gun number 100 than 101. Most those gun sales are to current owners, that doesn't show increased ownership.


Wrong...but keep lying...the biggest growth sales in gun ownership are among women and minorities....they have finally realized that their best defense is defending themselves.......

Concealed carry permits.....4.7 million in 2007.......13 million in 2016............

So no, two guys in Idaho are not buying 37,000,000 million new guns....

Best defense? Florida has lots of carry and higher than average homicide rate. Crime is goin up.


Best defense? The 2nd Amendment says no infringement. Good luck getting it repealed.

That doesn't change the most likely person to be shot by that gun is the owner. That is hardly a good defense.

Here we go with the bullshit 43 times more likely stuff
 

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