Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

[Missouri_Mike]

Easy to know this entire thing is bullshit. Just look at what the democrats blocked the relief bill for.

They blocked it because they wanted more union power, higher fuel limits on planes and more generous welfare for longer terms for their base.

That’s all you need to know.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Just to keep things in perspective, here's the death toll from a typical flu season. It makes the hysteria over the Wuhan flu look absolutely absurd, doesn't? That's because it is absurd. It's a TDS moron and fake news generated hysteria. These assholes are fucking over millions of Americans purely for political purposes.

Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades -- since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.

In previous seasons, flu-related deaths have ranged from a low of about 12,000 during the 2011-2012 season to a high of about 56,000 during the 2012-2013.

• Flu caused an estimated 80,000 deaths last fall and winter
• The 2017-18 season ranks as the deadliest in more than four decades
• Record 900,000 flu hospitalizations last year

Just another 79,400 to go and we'll catch up.

The way things are going, most will be in NY and NJ.

Take them out of the equation and we'd really have to work at it.

Now, mind you, I do believe the Corona is showing itself to be more problematic. The rate of spreading is the real issue.

This wasn't clear to me before.

 

[bripat9643]

Just to keep things in perspective, here's the death toll from a typical flu season. It makes the hysteria over the Wuhan flu look absolutely absurd, doesn't? That's because it is absurd. It's a TDS moron and fake news generated hysteria. These assholes are fucking over millions of Americans purely for political purposes.

Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades -- since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.

In previous seasons, flu-related deaths have ranged from a low of about 12,000 during the 2011-2012 season to a high of about 56,000 during the 2012-2013.

• Flu caused an estimated 80,000 deaths last fall and winter
• The 2017-18 season ranks as the deadliest in more than four decades
• Record 900,000 flu hospitalizations last year

Here is what you don't understand.

1. As a Pathogen, Coronavirus is 44 times more deadly than the seasonal flu virus. For those infected with seasonal flu, there is a .1% chance of death. For those infected with Coronavirus, a 4.4% chance of death.

2. There is a VACCINE every year for the seasonal flu virus. There is currently NO VACCINE for the coronavirus and may be 18 months before there is.

3. The Coronavirus is not a flu virus. Its a new pathogen for which humans have no built up immunities to unlike the seasonal flu.

4. New York State in April may require 37,000 Ventilators to keep patients alive. At the start of March, New York State only had 3,000 Ventilators. New York State is running out of supplies and capacity to treat patients. That never happens with the seasonal flu because it is evenly spread throughout the country, there is a vaccine for it, and it is 44 times less deadly.

1. Lie
2. Lie
3. We don't have immunity to each new flu that comes out, shit for brains.
4. It doesn't happen with the flu because there is no hysteria, dumbass.

No lies, just the facts. Seasonal flu viruses are similar to each other and some people, not all do build up immunity or at least the ability to withstand certain seasonal flu's than others. Its not a substitute for the flu shot at all, but it helps. With coronavirus, this is not the case. Its a brand new pathogen.

Its not about hysteria. Its a fact that hospitals in New York City are about to be overwhelmed by this.

That's bullshit. A flu shot gives you immunity only to one strain of flue. If a new starain comes out, then you are totally susceptible to it. Only a new flu vaccine will protect you. There is no substitute for a vaccine. Saying coronovirus is a brand new pathogen is meaningless because every flu virus is a brand new pathogen.

 

[toobfreak]

Just to keep things in perspective, here's the death toll from a typical flu season. It makes the hysteria over the Wuhan flu look absolutely absurd, doesn't?

I've felt much as you say here, BP. That said, here is what a friend just posted to me who is a bit more than just a little bit on the "inside" of the issue:

% mortality for the flu on a bad season is about 0.2 %. Best case scenario for this virus is ~1%(assumes that more folks have caught it than is being reported). That is 400,000 deaths. If the worst case is 2-3% you can do the math. Not sure how you calculated your likelihood of catching it, but All the medical models are indicating at least half the population will eventually get it. Now it is true that most people who get it will not die. However, the problem that has got everyone in panic mode is that ENOUGH people will get sick seriously enough to swamp our hospital capacity. This IS happening in other countries, particularly Italy. More scary is that the data suggests that Medical providers have a much higher incidence of severe consequences and they are not sure why. Also, Lets assume that 1% mortality is accurate. Then if you are in a community where one person has died. At least 99 other folks probably have it. If 99 folks have it and they infect only 2 other people, in 5 days you have 198 people who are sick and/or infectious. in 10 days, it is 396, and so on. Most reports suggest that this spreads like the common cold so person to person infection rates are likely higher than 2 people for a given individual. THIS is why everyone is running around with their hair on fire. Turns out it is actually harder to catch the average flu. Who knew!

The reason they are doing what they are doing, is to slow down the rate of infection to spread it out over a longer period of time so that the medical infrastructure can handle it. this is what was done in places like South Korea and Singapore, two countries which have more or less blunted the virus attack, relatively speaking. Unfortunately, the current administration has systematically dismantled and defunded much of the CDC infrastructure that has traditionally been our early warning system which enabled us to get out front on the other pandemics that you pointed out. We USED to have CDC folks IN CHINA to let us know what was going on and often sent response teams to help fight things over THERE rather than here.. This is one of the reason that SARS, and H1N1 Etc.. had less of an impact in this country. Now we are playing catch up. it did not help that CDC recommendations to NOT transport those 20 or so sick folks from the cruise ship in Japan in the same plane as the 300 healthy folks was not followed. Or that the sick folks were greeted by untrained HHS folks with no PPE, who then were allowed to scatter to the 4 winds.

Anyway, that is my understanding of the situation, for what it is worth. Regardless, that is all water under the bridge. For better or worse we are on the roller coaster now and will have to take things day by day.

Agreed, love that 12AX7

12AX/AU7A: the veritable building block of any good civilization.

 

[2aguy]

Another retard that just doesnt get it ^^

Exactly, he doesn't understand that Joe "Where am I, " Biden is having a brain melt down each day, and that this virus is an excellent way to get Trump out of office....all the democrats have to do is drive the U.S. economy into a Great Depression, force millions of Americans out of their jobs, and tank the economy for decades.........

What doesn't Bripat9643 not get?

Just to keep things in perspective, here's the death toll from a typical flu season. It makes the hysteria over the Wuhan flu look absolutely absurd, doesn't? That's because it is absurd. It's a TDS moron and fake news generated hysteria. These assholes are fucking over millions of Americans purely for political purposes.

Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades -- since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.

In previous seasons, flu-related deaths have ranged from a low of about 12,000 during the 2011-2012 season to a high of about 56,000 during the 2012-2013.

• Flu caused an estimated 80,000 deaths last fall and winter
• The 2017-18 season ranks as the deadliest in more than four decades
• Record 900,000 flu hospitalizations last year

Here is what you don't understand.

1. As a Pathogen, Coronavirus is 44 times more deadly than the seasonal flu virus. For those infected with seasonal flu, there is a .1% chance of death. For those infected with Coronavirus, a 4.4% chance of death.

2. There is a VACCINE every year for the seasonal flu virus. There is currently NO VACCINE for the coronavirus and may be 18 months before there is.

3. The Coronavirus is not a flu virus. Its a new pathogen for which humans have no built up immunities to unlike the seasonal flu.

4. New York State in April may require 37,000 Ventilators to keep patients alive. At the start of March, New York State only had 3,000 Ventilators. New York State is running out of supplies and capacity to treat patients. That never happens with the seasonal flu because it is evenly spread throughout the country, there is a vaccine for it, and it is 44 times less deadly.

Just to keep things in perspective, here's the death toll from a typical flu season. It makes the hysteria over the Wuhan flu look absolutely absurd, doesn't? That's because it is absurd. It's a TDS moron and fake news generated hysteria. These assholes are fucking over millions of Americans purely for political purposes.

Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades -- since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.

In previous seasons, flu-related deaths have ranged from a low of about 12,000 during the 2011-2012 season to a high of about 56,000 during the 2012-2013.

• Flu caused an estimated 80,000 deaths last fall and winter
• The 2017-18 season ranks as the deadliest in more than four decades
• Record 900,000 flu hospitalizations last year

Here is what you don't understand.

1. As a Pathogen, Coronavirus is 44 times more deadly than the seasonal flu virus. For those infected with seasonal flu, there is a .1% chance of death. For those infected with Coronavirus, a 4.4% chance of death.

2. There is a VACCINE every year for the seasonal flu virus. There is currently NO VACCINE for the coronavirus and may be 18 months before there is.

3. The Coronavirus is not a flu virus. Its a new pathogen for which humans have no built up immunities to unlike the seasonal flu.

4. New York State in April may require 37,000 Ventilators to keep patients alive. At the start of March, New York State only had 3,000 Ventilators. New York State is running out of supplies and capacity to treat patients. That never happens with the seasonal flu because it is evenly spread throughout the country, there is a vaccine for it, and it is 44 times less deadly.

Wrong.....we don't know what the mortality rate is because we don't know how many people are infected, or how many people have it/had it and survived......we don't know that so we don't know how lethal it is....

The one experiment on the cruise ship showed it is far less deadly than it is being sold...

 

[bripat9643]

Just to keep things in perspective, here's the death toll from a typical flu season. It makes the hysteria over the Wuhan flu look absolutely absurd, doesn't? That's because it is absurd. It's a TDS moron and fake news generated hysteria. These assholes are fucking over millions of Americans purely for political purposes.

Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades -- since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.

In previous seasons, flu-related deaths have ranged from a low of about 12,000 during the 2011-2012 season to a high of about 56,000 during the 2012-2013.

• Flu caused an estimated 80,000 deaths last fall and winter
• The 2017-18 season ranks as the deadliest in more than four decades
• Record 900,000 flu hospitalizations last year

Just another 79,400 to go and we'll catch up.

The way things are going, most will be in NY and NJ.

Take them out of the equation and we'd really have to work at it.

Now, mind you, I do believe the Corona is showing itself to be more problematic. The rate of spreading is the real issue.

This wasn't clear to me before.

The only issue with the Wuhan flu is that appears to have a slightly higher mortality rate, but it's not out of the range of previous flu viruses. I haven't seen any evidence concerning the transmission rate.

 

[my2¢]

For those keeping score be aware that the article cited in OP is dated September 2018 and its numbers reflect the 2017-2018 flu season.

I came across this for the 2018-2019 season which was the longest season in 10 years per the CDC:

Even still, high early-season vaccination rates and a relatively effective annual vaccine appeared to help suppress illnesses. In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.

2018-2019 flu season

 

[bripat9643]

Another retard that just doesnt get it ^^

Everyone is frustrated by the situation. Kids are partying on spring break not keeping social distances. In rural areas nothing really closed except the movies and schools. DC is a mess unable to agree on anything. COVID-19 needs to be handled soon so we all can get back to work or school. In urban areas its much scarier, NYC is a disaster, hoping FEMA can get them all the PPE they need. So everyone needs to stay calm, stay home, and stay safe for another week or two until the virus lessens.
COVID-19 is more deadly than normal flu by 5x to 10x, so its nothing to take lightly

Being frustrated shouldn't hinder your ability to think logically for an adult. People still comparing this to flu and whining about it doesn't make any sense to me. I want to slap the shit out of them and tell them to focus.

Why shouldn't we compare it the flu? Because then sleazy lying turds like you couldn't use it to generate hysteria and crash the market?

You're a douchebag of the worst kind.

Several reasons. I'm not going to argue with you about it. Instead I suggest you educate yourself?

You're not going to argue about it because you know you're a dumbass and that I'll rip you to shreds.

 

[Seawytch]

I think all you idiots who think COVID is no big deal should volunteer at a hospital and forgo the mask...

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Easy to know this entire thing is bullshit. Just look at what the democrats blocked the relief bill for.

They blocked it because they wanted more union power, higher fuel limits on planes and more generous welfare for longer terms for their base.

That’s all you need to know.

Really fucking pisses me off.

That bitch had better get with the program.

She's going to go down in history as the biggest asswipe in history.

Just to keep things in perspective, here's the death toll from a typical flu season. It makes the hysteria over the Wuhan flu look absolutely absurd, doesn't? That's because it is absurd. It's a TDS moron and fake news generated hysteria. These assholes are fucking over millions of Americans purely for political purposes.

Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades -- since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.

In previous seasons, flu-related deaths have ranged from a low of about 12,000 during the 2011-2012 season to a high of about 56,000 during the 2012-2013.

• Flu caused an estimated 80,000 deaths last fall and winter
• The 2017-18 season ranks as the deadliest in more than four decades
• Record 900,000 flu hospitalizations last year

Just another 79,400 to go and we'll catch up.

The way things are going, most will be in NY and NJ.

Take them out of the equation and we'd really have to work at it.

Now, mind you, I do believe the Corona is showing itself to be more problematic. The rate of spreading is the real issue.

This wasn't clear to me before.

The only issue with the Wuhan flu is that appears to have a slightly higher mortality rate, but it's not out of the range of previous flu viruses. I haven't seen any evidence concerning the transmission rate.

I would agree that we don't have such good data. Claims have been made about it, but using a very limited amount of data.

I get the effort.....but I am not sure it is worth the cost.