Fort Worth Mayor Apologizes For Police Shooting; Officer Resigns

Cops are far too trigger-happy in the US these days. On another forum I used to post at, people used to post story after story after story of cops being called for whatever reason and an innocent person ending up being shot. It happens way too often. And it makes me glad I don't live in the US, TBH. I actually feel safer here in Mexico.
 
Cops are far too trigger-happy in the US these days. On another forum I used to post at, people used to post story after story after story of cops being called for whatever reason and an innocent person ending up being shot. It happens way too often. And it makes me glad I don't live in the US, TBH. I actually feel safer here in Mexico.
...there are about 30 MILLION calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
..in 2016, police shot about 233 blacks-- the vast majority armed and dangerous,
it only happens often in your mind
....they unjustifiably shoot maybe----5 people per year? out of MILLIONS of calls for assistance
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/
 
Cops are far too trigger-happy in the US these days. On another forum I used to post at, people used to post story after story after story of cops being called for whatever reason and an innocent person ending up being shot. It happens way too often. And it makes me glad I don't live in the US, TBH. I actually feel safer here in Mexico.
...there are about 30 MILLION calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
..in 2016, police shot about 233 blacks-- the vast majority armed and dangerous,
it only happens often in your mind
....they unjustifiably shoot maybe----5 people per year? out of MILLIONS of calls for assistance
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/

I wasn't even talking about blacks. Why is everything about race to you?
 
whites usu
Funny how they are not paranoid with the other 50% that whites are committing.
..whites usually don't burn/riot/loot/ when dangerous jackass criminals are justifiably shot---like blacks do
.

When whites do it, it is called a celebration, generally after winning a Super Bowl or Stanley Cup.
idiocy--thank you
whites do not LOVE criminals like blacks do

Then quit defending the criminal cop. He is the one up on murder charges.
..you also must be brainwashed by hate/racism/something
please read my posts--I'm not defending him--stop the stupidshit
.. point is most people do not think in realistic terms--they think everything is like a movie or TV show
...he didn't murder her ..he didn't go there to kill a BLACK person
he should get about 10 years like the cop lady got

Maybe he will. I don't care what you legally want to call it.
 
Cops are far too trigger-happy in the US these days. On another forum I used to post at, people used to post story after story after story of cops being called for whatever reason and an innocent person ending up being shot. It happens way too often. And it makes me glad I don't live in the US, TBH. I actually feel safer here in Mexico.
...there are about 30 MILLION calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
..in 2016, police shot about 233 blacks-- the vast majority armed and dangerous,
it only happens often in your mind
....they unjustifiably shoot maybe----5 people per year? out of MILLIONS of calls for assistance
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/

I wasn't even talking about blacks. Why is everything about race to you?
hahhahah-don't try that bullshit with me
and:
Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.
 
Cops are far too trigger-happy in the US these days. On another forum I used to post at, people used to post story after story after story of cops being called for whatever reason and an innocent person ending up being shot. It happens way too often. And it makes me glad I don't live in the US, TBH. I actually feel safer here in Mexico.
...there are about 30 MILLION calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
..in 2016, police shot about 233 blacks-- the vast majority armed and dangerous,
it only happens often in your mind
....they unjustifiably shoot maybe----5 people per year? out of MILLIONS of calls for assistance
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/

I wasn't even talking about blacks. Why is everything about race to you?
hahhahah-don't try that bullshit with me
and:
Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Again, that's not what I was talking about or even thinking about. Just because YOU always have race on your mind, don't project that on to me or others.

I was speaking in general. Cops have become trigger-happy when called to someone's house, at least based on numerous stories I've heard on a libertarian forum I used to post at. I'm not speaking about a race thing, but a corruption thing, which I guess shouldn't be surprising since there is corruption at the top, and as the saying goes, a fish rots from the head down.
 
Cops are far too trigger-happy in the US these days. On another forum I used to post at, people used to post story after story after story of cops being called for whatever reason and an innocent person ending up being shot. It happens way too often. And it makes me glad I don't live in the US, TBH. I actually feel safer here in Mexico.
...there are about 30 MILLION calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
..in 2016, police shot about 233 blacks-- the vast majority armed and dangerous,
it only happens often in your mind
....they unjustifiably shoot maybe----5 people per year? out of MILLIONS of calls for assistance
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/

I wasn't even talking about blacks. Why is everything about race to you?
hahhahah-don't try that bullshit with me
and:
Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Again, that's not what I was talking about or even thinking about. Just because YOU always have race on your mind, don't project that on to me or others.

I was speaking in general. Cops have become trigger-happy when called to someone's house, at least based on numerous stories I've heard on a libertarian forum I used to post at. I'm not speaking about a race thing, but a corruption thing, which I guess shouldn't be surprising since there is corruption at the top, and as the saying goes, a fish rots from the head down.

You know, I've listened to some people on this board who claimed to be in law enforcement, and they said that they aren't taught ammo control, just to empty a full clip into a target.

When I was on Security Force while stationed in Newport RI, the Gunny who ran the force was big on ammo control. On days we went to the range, he had a whole course mapped out, shooting from a window, doorway, over a fence, etc., and there were a certain amount of shots required for each target, no more, no less. Some required 3, most required only 1 or 2, and if you ran out of ammo before you finished the course, the Gunny had a piece of your ass for a snack.
 
Damn at least you showed up, but I notice you don't call it out as racism though.



Sorry, we don't know its racism. I need actual evidence to make that leap. The cop put himself in a bad position where his options were limited and then the worst possible chain of events happened.
Nobody's gonna want to take the job anymore. The consequences will destroy your life. Mistakes arent permitted if you're a cop.


I sure wouldn't want to be a cop and when it comes to the majority of them, they have my respect for what they have to do, however maybe some of their procedures or training need be revised.
training and procedures should always be under review. Doesn't change scenarios however. They have every right to defend themselves when a gun is pointed at them. If you feel differently, explain why?


I think this has already been explained so many times. YES a cop has the right to defend himself when a gun is pointed at him. So does anyone including a home owner when a cop goes onto your private property late at night without identifying himself. Again. The cop put himself into a situation where he had to communicate through a window pane at night. He could see the lights on in the house. HE NEEDS to consider there are possibly innocent people inside going about their everyday life.. WHICH WAS THE CASE. Yes, the woman did nothing fucking wrong, you cant get around that fact. but she is dead which means someone screwed up.. so who would that be?

My common sense tells me what I would have done as a cop... yes. I would be concerned for my own safety, but seeing that this looks like a lived in residence, and most families are home at 2 in the morning... I am going to keep it foremost in my mind that I do'nt want to make a mistake and shoot an innocent person..... maybe that means i take a few more minutes to identify who is in the house before i get myself into a standoff situation.
But you know, I'm really not a cop. so I'd like to hear what EX cops or active on USMB would have done in this situation.
I would have announced myself at the door, with my present partner providing overwatch from cover or concealment. Assholes like this dipshit are no small part of why I walked away, and went into private enterprise where the real money is; I make the rules, and all fail falls fully on me...
 
Sorry, we don't know its racism. I need actual evidence to make that leap. The cop put himself in a bad position where his options were limited and then the worst possible chain of events happened.
Nobody's gonna want to take the job anymore. The consequences will destroy your life. Mistakes arent permitted if you're a cop.


I sure wouldn't want to be a cop and when it comes to the majority of them, they have my respect for what they have to do, however maybe some of their procedures or training need be revised.
training and procedures should always be under review. Doesn't change scenarios however. They have every right to defend themselves when a gun is pointed at them. If you feel differently, explain why?


I think this has already been explained so many times. YES a cop has the right to defend himself when a gun is pointed at him. So does anyone including a home owner when a cop goes onto your private property late at night without identifying himself. Again. The cop put himself into a situation where he had to communicate through a window pane at night. He could see the lights on in the house. HE NEEDS to consider there are possibly innocent people inside going about their everyday life.. WHICH WAS THE CASE. Yes, the woman did nothing fucking wrong, you cant get around that fact. but she is dead which means someone screwed up.. so who would that be?

My common sense tells me what I would have done as a cop... yes. I would be concerned for my own safety, but seeing that this looks like a lived in residence, and most families are home at 2 in the morning... I am going to keep it foremost in my mind that I do'nt want to make a mistake and shoot an innocent person..... maybe that means i take a few more minutes to identify who is in the house before i get myself into a standoff situation.
But you know, I'm really not a cop. so I'd like to hear what EX cops or active on USMB would have done in this situation.
I would have announced myself at the door, with my present partner providing overwatch from cover or concealment. Assholes like this dipshit are no small part of why I walked away, and went into private enterprise where the real money is; I make the rules, and all fail falls fully on me...

Exactly what I would have done. Secure the house first, make sure all the people inside are safe and healthy, THEN go check the outside if they tell you they heard noises.
 
Sorry, we don't know its racism. I need actual evidence to make that leap. The cop put himself in a bad position where his options were limited and then the worst possible chain of events happened.
Nobody's gonna want to take the job anymore. The consequences will destroy your life. Mistakes arent permitted if you're a cop.


I sure wouldn't want to be a cop and when it comes to the majority of them, they have my respect for what they have to do, however maybe some of their procedures or training need be revised.
training and procedures should always be under review. Doesn't change scenarios however. They have every right to defend themselves when a gun is pointed at them. If you feel differently, explain why?


I think this has already been explained so many times. YES a cop has the right to defend himself when a gun is pointed at him. So does anyone including a home owner when a cop goes onto your private property late at night without identifying himself. Again. The cop put himself into a situation where he had to communicate through a window pane at night. He could see the lights on in the house. HE NEEDS to consider there are possibly innocent people inside going about their everyday life.. WHICH WAS THE CASE. Yes, the woman did nothing fucking wrong, you cant get around that fact. but she is dead which means someone screwed up.. so who would that be?

My common sense tells me what I would have done as a cop... yes. I would be concerned for my own safety, but seeing that this looks like a lived in residence, and most families are home at 2 in the morning... I am going to keep it foremost in my mind that I do'nt want to make a mistake and shoot an innocent person..... maybe that means i take a few more minutes to identify who is in the house before i get myself into a standoff situation.
But you know, I'm really not a cop. so I'd like to hear what EX cops or active on USMB would have done in this situation.
I would have announced myself at the door, with my present partner providing overwatch from cover or concealment. Assholes like this dipshit are no small part of why I walked away, and went into private enterprise where the real money is; I make the rules, and all fail falls fully on me...


So your an X officer. Thanks for the input. So many people seem to be thinking that because it was an open structure call, it allows the officer to not take into consideration all the other things that are obvious about the condition of the residence at the time. Do you think the officer perhaps should have called back to dispatch to verify whether it was a break in?
Have you been on "open structure calls" as well as welfare calls? just wondering in what way you were trained in approaching those situations
 
It's all really just the typical plea for help; these racist know they can't wipe their own asses without Whitey and they crave our attention; their own attempts at self-rule in the cities and neighborhoods are miserable failures, and they're convinced if they can just get white people to throw trillions at them it will all work out. They're all about money, and aren't bright enough to change their culture and hatred of themselves. Super here is a prime example of that bigotry.

They need to believe that white people are out to get them, it's basically an article of religious faith at this point. Any black person who says maybe some of our problems are our own fault gets kicked out of the brotherhood.

Or......Black folks have trust issues with the police when the police act wildly different in similar situations when the person in question is white rather than black. Take the case of Jerry Waller with the FWPD.

Officer cleared after going to wrong address, shooting innocent grandpa in his garage - Police State USA

Where the police provided *elaborate* quantities of identification and time. With the police identifying themselves as police, giving Mr. Waller a lawful order, giving Mr. Waller time to register the command, giving him time to put the gun on the ground, giving Mr. Waller time to get angry, giving Mr. Waller time to 'freak out', giving Mr. Waller time to reach back down to the ground, giving Mr. Waller time to pick the gun back up, giving Mr. Waller time to time to get into a 'ready' firing stance.

And only THEN do the police shoot him.

Where with Ms. Jefferson, the police never identify themselves. And from the time she was told to put up her hands to the time she was shot to death.....was 0.8 second.

Now how much race played a role in either shooting is certainly open to interpretation and debate. But the stark differences in police reactions in those two situations isn't. So I can wrap my head around why black folks would have difficulty trusting the police. You don't need faith...when you have evidence.

Evidence even the Chief of Police of Fort Worth can recognize.

The cop in this case didn't have enough time to tell if who he was looking at was black before he pulled the trigger. Unless he had some kind of negro detector. The "evidence" of unfair police treatment of blacks is cherry picked over a period of several years of cases that have nothing in common. Like all religions, the faithful will chalk up random events as divine intervention.

Cherry picked my ass, we have centuries of mistreatment to pull from.

No individual has been mistreated for centuries.

The mistreatment that someone's great-great grandpappy endured has no impact you. And even if it did, the folks who imposed the mistreatment are long dead anyhow.

You better study some American History if you believe that bullshit.
 
No one else does either if we can beLieve what the anti white cop liberal news media is telling us

But black radicals are claiming it was murder when it may have been only a mistaken killing or and overreaction by the cop

Mistaken killing or overreaction, do you think if I snuck around your house and shot you through the window it would be called a mistake.
If you were a cop instead of a criminal you would be.
Oh...so you just admitted that you think its ok for cops to sneak around people's homes and shoot them thru windows. Very telling.

Only black folks.
Well, you think it is ok for Trayvon to sneak around people's windows at night without being confronted

I think it was ok for him to go to the corner store and walk back home without some fucking coward stalking him.
 
Why would "Open Structure" mean broken into.
Fort Worth shooting: Officers weren't asked to do a wellness check. Here's how it changed things - CNN
(CNN)When Atatiana Jefferson's neighbor called police, he says he expected them to go check to see if she was OK.

But the officer who shot her in her own home was sent on a call that police often handle as a potential burglary.
Authorities are looking into what former Fort Worth police officer Aaron Dean and his partner were told before arriving to Jefferson's home.
"The information came from the neighbor to the call-takers and while it was relayed to the dispatch, it was determined to be an open structure call," Fort Worth interim Police Chief Ed Kraus told reporters on Tuesday.
dude save your dbl standard bullshit,,the only reason you are on the cops side is because the victim is black,,,

Damn at least you showed up, but I notice you don't call it out as racism though.



Sorry, we don't know its racism. I need actual evidence to make that leap. The cop put himself in a bad position where his options were limited and then the worst possible chain of events happened.
Nobody's gonna want to take the job anymore. The consequences will destroy your life. Mistakes arent permitted if you're a cop.

So you think taking someone's life should be written off as a mistake. Smfh.
 
how did he screw up?


he murdered an innocent women in her own home,,,
nope. you're wrong. An innocent woman was accidentally shot. again, a court will see it that way. I don't give a fk what you think.


sorry but his shot was well trained and deliberate ,,,not an accident,,
that's how they're trained to hit middle mass. didn't you know that? So he's a good shot. doesn't make it murder, only a tragic killing that was unnecessary had the neighbor not called for the check.

I just said it was well trained and deliberate,,so WTF
yes it would have turned out very different if he wasnt there,,,that seems to be happening a lot more lately,,,call the cops and they kill you for it,,,
See a cop thank a cop.
 
QUOTE="jc456, post: 23315263, member: 46512"]QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.

Officers plural.

here.

Why would "Open Structure" mean broken into.
Fort Worth shooting: Officers weren't asked to do a wellness check. Here's how it changed things - CNN
(CNN)When Atatiana Jefferson's neighbor called police, he says he expected them to go check to see if she was OK.

But the officer who shot her in her own home was sent on a call that police often handle as a potential burglary.
Authorities are looking into what former Fort Worth police officer Aaron Dean and his partner were told before arriving to Jefferson's home.
"The information came from the neighbor to the call-takers and while it was relayed to the dispatch, it was determined to be an open structure call," Fort Worth interim Police Chief Ed Kraus told reporters on Tuesday.
dude save your dbl standard bullshit,,the only reason you are on the cops side is because the victim is black,,,

Damn at least you showed up, but I notice you don't call it out as racism though.



Sorry, we don't know its racism. I need actual evidence to make that leap. The cop put himself in a bad position where his options were limited and then the worst possible chain of events happened.

I am talking about the racist fools who are trying to defend this cop killing an innocent woman in her home.
 
Nobody's gonna want to take the job anymore. The consequences will destroy your life. Mistakes arent permitted if you're a cop.


I sure wouldn't want to be a cop and when it comes to the majority of them, they have my respect for what they have to do, however maybe some of their procedures or training need be revised.
training and procedures should always be under review. Doesn't change scenarios however. They have every right to defend themselves when a gun is pointed at them. If you feel differently, explain why?


I think this has already been explained so many times. YES a cop has the right to defend himself when a gun is pointed at him. So does anyone including a home owner when a cop goes onto your private property late at night without identifying himself. Again. The cop put himself into a situation where he had to communicate through a window pane at night. He could see the lights on in the house. HE NEEDS to consider there are possibly innocent people inside going about their everyday life.. WHICH WAS THE CASE. Yes, the woman did nothing fucking wrong, you cant get around that fact. but she is dead which means someone screwed up.. so who would that be?

My common sense tells me what I would have done as a cop... yes. I would be concerned for my own safety, but seeing that this looks like a lived in residence, and most families are home at 2 in the morning... I am going to keep it foremost in my mind that I do'nt want to make a mistake and shoot an innocent person..... maybe that means i take a few more minutes to identify who is in the house before i get myself into a standoff situation.
But you know, I'm really not a cop. so I'd like to hear what EX cops or active on USMB would have done in this situation.
I would have announced myself at the door, with my present partner providing overwatch from cover or concealment. Assholes like this dipshit are no small part of why I walked away, and went into private enterprise where the real money is; I make the rules, and all fail falls fully on me...


So your an X officer. Thanks for the input. So many people seem to be thinking that because it was an open structure call, it allows the officer to not take into consideration all the other things that are obvious about the condition of the residence at the time. Do you think the officer perhaps should have called back to dispatch to verify whether it was a break in?
Have you been on "open structure calls" as well as welfare calls? just wondering in what way you were trained in approaching those situations
Whether LEO or Military; one always understands (with experience) that information from off site, does not always comport with the reality on scene. It is incumbent upon the actor on scene to determine the veracity of the information given; and to decide the appropriate action to take. Always...
 
Apparently they're fine with being killed by black people, and only seem to snivel when a white cop is involved, so obviously it makes little sense for any cops to set themselves up for lawsuits and criminal charges every time some hood rat wins a Darwin Award, and also makes no sense for city governments to let themselves get looted by the latest hood rat industry, baiting cops and getting rich. In an atmosphere where a major political Party is supporting 'racial replacement agendas and advocating assassinations of police officers, just don't expect much in the way those Super Cops Hollywood shows on TV are full of to rush to join police forces. They make their own beds, let them wallow in them. The black middle class doesn't give a shit, they just use hood rats as hostages to extort bennies for themselves, so they've been devastating themselves for decades.

Who leaves the front doors wide open at 2 a.m. in a thug infested shithole? Why didn't her neighbors check it out themselves first? Lots of questions here, but creating a charged atmosphere that is the main contributor here; blame the scum running around wearing 'Kill The Pigs' socks and hiring BLM scum to teach college classes advocating killing cops. Why do people assume cops should assume black women aren't armed criminals? That is particularly stupid.



Why do people assume cops should assume black women aren't armed criminals?

Is it so hard to admit this cop screwed up?, you seem to make the loss of a life here of minimal consequence because the woman is black. The woman did nothing wrong by reaching for a gun when she heard a noise in her back yard. for her own sake she could have been smarter about not making herself a target, but she did nothing criminal.
I personally don't want to live in a militarized police state where civilians are seen as guilty before proven innocent and that their personal homes are the domain of the State. As a homeowner ( if you own property) You have every right to defend your home from an intruder with a fire arm, and you should not have to worry about police shooting you while doing it. The cop did not give himself enough time to assess the situation and Its an obvious fact because the woman is dead. They had no reason to rush into the situation and what the cop did by moving around the side of the building was lessen his own options. He actually made it harder to identify who it was inside the house than if he did it the right way. So yes he screwed up, and if he was sent on the wrong kind of call then dispatch screwed up or maybe police need to rethink the way police are sent out on residential calls

Blaming the victim for leaving her door open? you really think so? Hey well they were playing video games in the back room, and most likely she or the 8 year old just forgot to close it.
You know, worse things have happened like someone playing games on their phone while their baby is dying in a hot car, because they forgot their baby is in the back seat... who does that? So you know, yes sometimes people can forget to close their front door but its not "Asking For It".
how did he screw up?


again... there needs to be an investigation to see if the cop was sent out on the right type of call and if he knew any reason why he was there in the first place.
But assuming he was there on a welfare check especially or even an open structure call.... what was their rush? why rush when they have to think there might be "innocent" residents inside? Why not consider someone did just forget to close their door? why not consider someone inside might need medical attention? WHY ONLY go in with the thought of a burglar or intruder? The cops in this story had complete control of the situation, the front door was open and the lights were on giving them a clear view back into the house... so who is going to sneak up on them there? If they weren't sure then call for backup and have someone else watch the side of the house while they went in the front. Why rush the situation? no one was going anywhere and yes, calling inside would have been the correct thing to do...at least wait for back up. There should be the reasonable assumption by police that someones home is just that.... it wasn't a bank or jewelry store with the front door left open.
rush? wtf are you talking about? the cop was there on an open structure call and saw someone point a gun at him. What was the rush? He defended himself? weak.

He wasn't near the front door, was in the dark outside. wtf is wrong with fkwads? omg, you have no common sense. fk.


Holy shit! watch the video again. They walked right by the open front door and walked around the side into the dark. Thats the point. And yes, he defended himself because he put himself needlessly into a bad situation. I bet if you were to ask that officer today, he would admit he screwed up.
Cause he took the call? Why aren’t you pissed his partner did the same thing? Cause you haven’t a clue to their procedures. Shouldn’t talk about things you know nothing about. They follow protocols
 
Why would "Open Structure" mean broken into.
Fort Worth shooting: Officers weren't asked to do a wellness check. Here's how it changed things - CNN
(CNN)When Atatiana Jefferson's neighbor called police, he says he expected them to go check to see if she was OK.

But the officer who shot her in her own home was sent on a call that police often handle as a potential burglary.
Authorities are looking into what former Fort Worth police officer Aaron Dean and his partner were told before arriving to Jefferson's home.
"The information came from the neighbor to the call-takers and while it was relayed to the dispatch, it was determined to be an open structure call," Fort Worth interim Police Chief Ed Kraus told reporters on Tuesday.
dude save your dbl standard bullshit,,the only reason you are on the cops side is because the victim is black,,,

Damn at least you showed up, but I notice you don't call it out as racism though.



Sorry, we don't know its racism. I need actual evidence to make that leap. The cop put himself in a bad position where his options were limited and then the worst possible chain of events happened.

I am talking about the racist fools who are trying to defend this cop killing an innocent woman in her home.
He put his life on the line. Until they complete the investigation, you fking bet I am.
 
I sure wouldn't want to be a cop and when it comes to the majority of them, they have my respect for what they have to do, however maybe some of their procedures or training need be revised.
training and procedures should always be under review. Doesn't change scenarios however. They have every right to defend themselves when a gun is pointed at them. If you feel differently, explain why?


I think this has already been explained so many times. YES a cop has the right to defend himself when a gun is pointed at him. So does anyone including a home owner when a cop goes onto your private property late at night without identifying himself. Again. The cop put himself into a situation where he had to communicate through a window pane at night. He could see the lights on in the house. HE NEEDS to consider there are possibly innocent people inside going about their everyday life.. WHICH WAS THE CASE. Yes, the woman did nothing fucking wrong, you cant get around that fact. but she is dead which means someone screwed up.. so who would that be?

My common sense tells me what I would have done as a cop... yes. I would be concerned for my own safety, but seeing that this looks like a lived in residence, and most families are home at 2 in the morning... I am going to keep it foremost in my mind that I do'nt want to make a mistake and shoot an innocent person..... maybe that means i take a few more minutes to identify who is in the house before i get myself into a standoff situation.
But you know, I'm really not a cop. so I'd like to hear what EX cops or active on USMB would have done in this situation.
I would have announced myself at the door, with my present partner providing overwatch from cover or concealment. Assholes like this dipshit are no small part of why I walked away, and went into private enterprise where the real money is; I make the rules, and all fail falls fully on me...


So your an X officer. Thanks for the input. So many people seem to be thinking that because it was an open structure call, it allows the officer to not take into consideration all the other things that are obvious about the condition of the residence at the time. Do you think the officer perhaps should have called back to dispatch to verify whether it was a break in?
Have you been on "open structure calls" as well as welfare calls? just wondering in what way you were trained in approaching those situations
Whether LEO or Military; one always understands (with experience) that information from off site, does not always comport with the reality on scene. It is incumbent upon the actor on scene to determine the veracity of the information given; and to decide the appropriate action to take. Always...
No, the leftists fkwads tell them
 
Cops are far too trigger-happy in the US these days. On another forum I used to post at, people used to post story after story after story of cops being called for whatever reason and an innocent person ending up being shot. It happens way too often. And it makes me glad I don't live in the US, TBH. I actually feel safer here in Mexico.
...there are about 30 MILLION calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
..in 2016, police shot about 233 blacks-- the vast majority armed and dangerous,
it only happens often in your mind
....they unjustifiably shoot maybe----5 people per year? out of MILLIONS of calls for assistance
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/
That's where averages work against the trigger happy Leo's. The overwhelming majority of interactions with the public, and even criminals results in no violence. Much less, lethal force incidents. Yet these fucking drones have it pounded into their heads that their jobs are far more dangerous than the numbers support. Which makes them nervous, and trigger happy, overly aggressive, and running scared. And its when scared that mistakes are made. In short..?
Today's Leftist PDs are hiring pussies in droves. As such fear based decisions will be made...
 
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