Four Supreme Court Justices Summarize How June's Gay-Marriage Decision Was Improper/Illegal

[Procrustes Stretched]

And that would be?

Please don't keep us in suspense.

Remember, there is no requirement of sex in a marriage, and, why is the institution of marriage the only partnership that only allows two?

Tradition maybe?

States are in charge of regulating marriage. In doing so they cannot violate federally guaranteed, protected rights. It is a state issue that becomes a federal issue when state laws are challenged. Marriage contracts by the state are contracts between two people. The contracts recognize the couple as a legal entity. States get to decide what kind of contracts they will and will not allow.

Your argument is specious because people can marry outside of state recognition. The state cannot and does not prohibit men living with multiple women. And when and where it does it will lose in a court of law, unless there is an overwhelming state interest.

Incest? You just don't get it so you wrap your silly and ignorant arguments up in arguments over constitutionally protected rights and civil liberties

 

[Pop23]

You're totally ignoring the state's interest in outlawing polygamy. You can do that, but ignoring it is not an argument

Are you arguing that the State must demonstrate its interest?

You don't understand what happens when the argument is a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, in which the STATE MUST SHOW A COMPELLING ARGUEMENT TO DENY THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

what you are arguing is the exact argument made by Virginia to keep races from marrying and the exact same argument made to stop same sex marriage.

Are you saying that NOW you are a racist and a bigot?

It's very sad, yet amusing that you apparently have no clue what you are talking about. You can conflate the race based laws and the same sex based laws, with the incest based laws all you want. But doing so does not make for a compelling argument or a rational one.

The state has already demonstrated it's interest. That is why there are anti-incest marriage laws on the books, but...

Incest, which is sexual relations between (non-spouse) family members, is outlawed in most countries, including the United States. Incest laws aim to promote security and unity with the family, and to prevent the genetic problems that often occur in babies whose parents are related.

In the U.S., incest is regulated by state, not federal law, and every state has one or more laws banning this problematic behavior. And while states sometimes vary in defining ..

What is “Family?”
For the purposes of incest laws, “family” can mean several things...

Prosecution and Defenses
Often, a situation involving incest also implicates other criminal laws. For example...

Consent not a defense
A defendant may be convicted of engaging in incest if he knowingly engaged in a sexual encounter with a family member (if no encounter actually took place, the prosecutor may charge the defendant with attempted incest). Because of this...

Who is charged?
Although the ages of the parties are not relevant in proving that incest took place (and are not a defense to such charges), the age of the parties may be relevant as far as who is prosecuted for the crime. For example...

Old cases and the statute of limitations
All states set time periods in which a crime may be prosecuted, such as five or ten years after the incident. Such laws are intended to ensure that cases are handled relatively quickly, and recognize the danger in prosecuting old cases where the facts may be difficult to discern. In some states... -
Incest Laws and Criminal Charges | Nolo.com
​

and this case...

Generally, in cases like this involving “consensual activity within the home,” it comes down to the question of whether the government has “a compelling state interest” in regulating the activity. “Some courts recognize that the government does have an interest in regulating incestuous conduct because of the risk of pregnancy and the heightened risk of genetic defect,” he says. Other courts will convict even without such a risk: In Ohio, a sexual battery statute states that a stepparent should never have sexual contact with a stepchild (and that is regardless of age). Most courts are concerned about parents preying on their children, he said. “Regardless of the age of the child, there’s still a theory that a parent is always a parent, a child is always a child and, as a result, there truly can’t be a consensual sexual act.” That explains why the daughter isn’t charged in this case. “The idea is the perpetrator is the parent and the victim is the child. We don’t normally prosecute a person falling within the protected class, and you remain a member of the protected class even above age of consent.” -
The law on “consensual” incest
​

Poor Dante, so reliant on what WAS considered incest.

Maryland: incest is vaginal penetration. Sorry, when two dudes marry, there is no vaginal penetration.

Iowa: marriage is prohibited between only those too closely related and are opposite sex.

Wisconsin: first cousins can Marry only if proof that one is infertile. In the case of same sex, that would mean neither have to prove.

Lastly: name a single birth caused by two same sex family members having sex.....

We will wait

You also understand that same sex marriage was ruled upon as a 14th amendment issue. And that marriage was declared a fundimental right, Right.

The burdon of proof is now on the state to prove it has a compelling state interest TO DENY this fundimental right.

So show me the conception that has ever occurred from same sex coupling?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Why do you think that states can constitutionally limit marriage to one man one woman?

who are you talking to? it's unclear the way you had quotes all over the place

 

[Pop23]

And that would be?

Please don't keep us in suspense.

Remember, there is no requirement of sex in a marriage, and, why is the institution of marriage the only partnership that only allows two?

Tradition maybe?

States are in charge of regulating marriage. In doing so they cannot violate federally guaranteed, protected rights. It is a state issue that becomes a federal issue when state laws are challenged. Marriage contracts by the state are contracts between two people. The contracts recognize the couple as a legal entity. States get to decide what kind of contracts they will and will not allow.

Your argument is specious because people can marry outside of state recognition. The state cannot and does not prohibit men living with multiple women. And when and where it does it will lose in a court of law, unless there is an overwhelming state interest.

Incest? You just don't get it so you wrap your silly and ignorant arguments up in arguments over constitutionally protected rights and civil liberties

I see you are confused. The state can regulate, and said regulation is contained within the law.

In all the 50 States, find one that requires sex as a requirement to marry.

I can't find one. I can find several that are a bit bizarre, Maryland, iowa and Wisconsin.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Poor Dante, so reliant on what WAS considered incest.

now you've veered off into intellectual masturbation territory and trust me, you are not an appealing partner there

 

[Pop23]

Poor Dante, so reliant on what WAS considered incest.

now you've veered off into intellectual masturbation territory and trust me, you are not an appealing partner there

Defeated argument noted

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

In all the 50 States, find one that requires sex as a requirement to marry.

no thanx (see the masturbation line in the above post)

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Poor Dante, so reliant on what WAS considered incest.

now you've veered off into intellectual masturbation territory and trust me, you are not an appealing partner there

Defeated argument noted

last comment to you


F()ck off

 

[Pop23]

In all the 50 States, find one that requires sex as a requirement to marry.

no thanx (see the masturbation line in the above post)

Interpretation:

Dante relies on tradition, not fact

 

[Pop23]

Poor Dante, so reliant on what WAS considered incest.

now you've veered off into intellectual masturbation territory and trust me, you are not an appealing partner there

Defeated argument noted

last comment to you


F()ck off

I'll bet you say that to all superior intellects.

 

[Pop23]

The funny thing is that gays petitioned to marry 32 years before Lawrence v. Texas was decided.

32 years aye?

Good god dude, show some pride.

See Baker v. Nelson. Good god dude, show some knowledge of the topic.

Edit: My bad, it was 33 years. lol

So it took 46 years?

And my argument is invalid after what, 6 months.

You are one bizarre dude.

The 'implications' of Baker v. Nelson legalized same sex marriage? If no, then you're clearly not following what's being discussed.

And same sex marriage has been legal in the US for 10 years. Yet nothing you've claimed must happen....did happen.

How do you explain your perfect record of failure?

And in other countries much longer. Which countries allow gays to marry each other and ALSO perform polygamist marriages?

None? You don't say. Such a slippery slope!

How many of those have a 14th amendment like ours?

 

[Skylar]

32 years aye?

Good god dude, show some pride.

See Baker v. Nelson. Good god dude, show some knowledge of the topic.

Edit: My bad, it was 33 years. lol

So it took 46 years?

And my argument is invalid after what, 6 months.

You are one bizarre dude.

The 'implications' of Baker v. Nelson legalized same sex marriage? If no, then you're clearly not following what's being discussed.

And same sex marriage has been legal in the US for 10 years. Yet nothing you've claimed must happen....did happen.

How do you explain your perfect record of failure?

And in other countries much longer. Which countries allow gays to marry each other and ALSO perform polygamist marriages?

None? You don't say. Such a slippery slope!

How many of those have a 14th amendment like ours?

How many have folks such as yourself that don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about?

Remember, we've had the 14th amendement for the decade since we first started legalizing same sex marriage. And yet no where, in no court, has the law recognized your claims. No court has. And none of what you predicted would happen......actually happened.

How do you explain the vast chasm between what you *assumed* was going to happen. And what actually did?

 

[Syriusly]

You're totally ignoring the state's interest in outlawing polygamy. You can do that, but ignoring it is not an argument

Are you arguing that the State must demonstrate its interest?

You don't understand what happens when the argument is a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, in which the STATE MUST SHOW A COMPELLING ARGUEMENT TO DENY THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

what you are arguing is the exact argument made by Virginia to keep races from marrying and the exact same argument made to stop same sex marriage.

Are you saying that NOW you are a racist and a bigot?

It's very sad, yet amusing that you apparently have no clue what you are talking about. You can conflate the race based laws and the same sex based laws, with the incest based laws all you want. But doing so does not make for a compelling argument or a rational one.

The state has already demonstrated it's interest. That is why there are anti-incest marriage laws on the books, but...

Incest, which is sexual relations between (non-spouse) family members, is outlawed in most countries, including the United States. Incest laws aim to promote security and unity with the family, and to prevent the genetic problems that often occur in babies whose parents are related.

In the U.S., incest is regulated by state, not federal law, and every state has one or more laws banning this problematic behavior. And while states sometimes vary in defining ..

What is “Family?”
For the purposes of incest laws, “family” can mean several things...

Prosecution and Defenses
Often, a situation involving incest also implicates other criminal laws. For example...

Consent not a defense
A defendant may be convicted of engaging in incest if he knowingly engaged in a sexual encounter with a family member (if no encounter actually took place, the prosecutor may charge the defendant with attempted incest). Because of this...

Who is charged?
Although the ages of the parties are not relevant in proving that incest took place (and are not a defense to such charges), the age of the parties may be relevant as far as who is prosecuted for the crime. For example...

Old cases and the statute of limitations
All states set time periods in which a crime may be prosecuted, such as five or ten years after the incident. Such laws are intended to ensure that cases are handled relatively quickly, and recognize the danger in prosecuting old cases where the facts may be difficult to discern. In some states... -
Incest Laws and Criminal Charges | Nolo.com
​

and this case...

Generally, in cases like this involving “consensual activity within the home,” it comes down to the question of whether the government has “a compelling state interest” in regulating the activity. “Some courts recognize that the government does have an interest in regulating incestuous conduct because of the risk of pregnancy and the heightened risk of genetic defect,” he says. Other courts will convict even without such a risk: In Ohio, a sexual battery statute states that a stepparent should never have sexual contact with a stepchild (and that is regardless of age). Most courts are concerned about parents preying on their children, he said. “Regardless of the age of the child, there’s still a theory that a parent is always a parent, a child is always a child and, as a result, there truly can’t be a consensual sexual act.” That explains why the daughter isn’t charged in this case. “The idea is the perpetrator is the parent and the victim is the child. We don’t normally prosecute a person falling within the protected class, and you remain a member of the protected class even above age of consent.” -
The law on “consensual” incest
​

The burdon of proof is now on the state to prove it has a compelling state interest TO DENY this fundimental right.

Silly Pops.

There is no burden of proof on the state now.

Perhaps there would be if you filed suit claiming your right to marry your sibling- but now?

The State has no burden of proving anything.

 

[Pop23]

See Baker v. Nelson. Good god dude, show some knowledge of the topic.

Edit: My bad, it was 33 years. lol

So it took 46 years?

And my argument is invalid after what, 6 months.

You are one bizarre dude.

The 'implications' of Baker v. Nelson legalized same sex marriage? If no, then you're clearly not following what's being discussed.

And same sex marriage has been legal in the US for 10 years. Yet nothing you've claimed must happen....did happen.

How do you explain your perfect record of failure?

And in other countries much longer. Which countries allow gays to marry each other and ALSO perform polygamist marriages?

None? You don't say. Such a slippery slope!

How many of those have a 14th amendment like ours?

How many have folks such as yourself that don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about?

Remember, we've had the 14th amendement for the decade since we first started legalizing same sex marriage. And yet no where, in no court, has the law recognized your claims. No court has. And none of what you predicted would happen......actually happened.

How do you explain the vast chasm between what you *assumed* was going to happen. And what actually did?

The 14th amendment was ratified in 1868.

That's one looooong friggin decade!

Oh, you understand the equal protection clause in that law that was ratified nearly 150 years (or nearly 15 decades ago. Actually nearly 1.5 centuries ago) means, Right?

 

[Skylar]

You're totally ignoring the state's interest in outlawing polygamy. You can do that, but ignoring it is not an argument

Are you arguing that the State must demonstrate its interest?

You don't understand what happens when the argument is a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, in which the STATE MUST SHOW A COMPELLING ARGUEMENT TO DENY THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

what you are arguing is the exact argument made by Virginia to keep races from marrying and the exact same argument made to stop same sex marriage.

Are you saying that NOW you are a racist and a bigot?

It's very sad, yet amusing that you apparently have no clue what you are talking about. You can conflate the race based laws and the same sex based laws, with the incest based laws all you want. But doing so does not make for a compelling argument or a rational one.

The state has already demonstrated it's interest. That is why there are anti-incest marriage laws on the books, but...

Incest, which is sexual relations between (non-spouse) family members, is outlawed in most countries, including the United States. Incest laws aim to promote security and unity with the family, and to prevent the genetic problems that often occur in babies whose parents are related.

In the U.S., incest is regulated by state, not federal law, and every state has one or more laws banning this problematic behavior. And while states sometimes vary in defining ..

What is “Family?”
For the purposes of incest laws, “family” can mean several things...

Prosecution and Defenses
Often, a situation involving incest also implicates other criminal laws. For example...

Consent not a defense
A defendant may be convicted of engaging in incest if he knowingly engaged in a sexual encounter with a family member (if no encounter actually took place, the prosecutor may charge the defendant with attempted incest). Because of this...

Who is charged?
Although the ages of the parties are not relevant in proving that incest took place (and are not a defense to such charges), the age of the parties may be relevant as far as who is prosecuted for the crime. For example...

Old cases and the statute of limitations
All states set time periods in which a crime may be prosecuted, such as five or ten years after the incident. Such laws are intended to ensure that cases are handled relatively quickly, and recognize the danger in prosecuting old cases where the facts may be difficult to discern. In some states... -
Incest Laws and Criminal Charges | Nolo.com
​

and this case...

Generally, in cases like this involving “consensual activity within the home,” it comes down to the question of whether the government has “a compelling state interest” in regulating the activity. “Some courts recognize that the government does have an interest in regulating incestuous conduct because of the risk of pregnancy and the heightened risk of genetic defect,” he says. Other courts will convict even without such a risk: In Ohio, a sexual battery statute states that a stepparent should never have sexual contact with a stepchild (and that is regardless of age). Most courts are concerned about parents preying on their children, he said. “Regardless of the age of the child, there’s still a theory that a parent is always a parent, a child is always a child and, as a result, there truly can’t be a consensual sexual act.” That explains why the daughter isn’t charged in this case. “The idea is the perpetrator is the parent and the victim is the child. We don’t normally prosecute a person falling within the protected class, and you remain a member of the protected class even above age of consent.” -
The law on “consensual” incest
​

The burdon of proof is now on the state to prove it has a compelling state interest TO DENY this fundimental right.

Silly Pops.

There is no burden of proof on the state now.

Perhaps there would be if you filed suit claiming your right to marry your sibling- but now?

The State has no burden of proving anything.

Pops can kill two birds with one stone and get his polygamy and incest fix by adding his brother to his existing marriage.

 

[Pop23]

You're totally ignoring the state's interest in outlawing polygamy. You can do that, but ignoring it is not an argument

Are you arguing that the State must demonstrate its interest?

You don't understand what happens when the argument is a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, in which the STATE MUST SHOW A COMPELLING ARGUEMENT TO DENY THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

what you are arguing is the exact argument made by Virginia to keep races from marrying and the exact same argument made to stop same sex marriage.

Are you saying that NOW you are a racist and a bigot?

It's very sad, yet amusing that you apparently have no clue what you are talking about. You can conflate the race based laws and the same sex based laws, with the incest based laws all you want. But doing so does not make for a compelling argument or a rational one.

The state has already demonstrated it's interest. That is why there are anti-incest marriage laws on the books, but...

Incest, which is sexual relations between (non-spouse) family members, is outlawed in most countries, including the United States. Incest laws aim to promote security and unity with the family, and to prevent the genetic problems that often occur in babies whose parents are related.

In the U.S., incest is regulated by state, not federal law, and every state has one or more laws banning this problematic behavior. And while states sometimes vary in defining ..

What is “Family?”
For the purposes of incest laws, “family” can mean several things...

Prosecution and Defenses
Often, a situation involving incest also implicates other criminal laws. For example...

Consent not a defense
A defendant may be convicted of engaging in incest if he knowingly engaged in a sexual encounter with a family member (if no encounter actually took place, the prosecutor may charge the defendant with attempted incest). Because of this...

Who is charged?
Although the ages of the parties are not relevant in proving that incest took place (and are not a defense to such charges), the age of the parties may be relevant as far as who is prosecuted for the crime. For example...

Old cases and the statute of limitations
All states set time periods in which a crime may be prosecuted, such as five or ten years after the incident. Such laws are intended to ensure that cases are handled relatively quickly, and recognize the danger in prosecuting old cases where the facts may be difficult to discern. In some states... -
Incest Laws and Criminal Charges | Nolo.com
​

and this case...

Generally, in cases like this involving “consensual activity within the home,” it comes down to the question of whether the government has “a compelling state interest” in regulating the activity. “Some courts recognize that the government does have an interest in regulating incestuous conduct because of the risk of pregnancy and the heightened risk of genetic defect,” he says. Other courts will convict even without such a risk: In Ohio, a sexual battery statute states that a stepparent should never have sexual contact with a stepchild (and that is regardless of age). Most courts are concerned about parents preying on their children, he said. “Regardless of the age of the child, there’s still a theory that a parent is always a parent, a child is always a child and, as a result, there truly can’t be a consensual sexual act.” That explains why the daughter isn’t charged in this case. “The idea is the perpetrator is the parent and the victim is the child. We don’t normally prosecute a person falling within the protected class, and you remain a member of the protected class even above age of consent.” -
The law on “consensual” incest
​

The burdon of proof is now on the state to prove it has a compelling state interest TO DENY this fundimental right.

Silly Pops.

There is no burden of proof on the state now.

Perhaps there would be if you filed suit claiming your right to marry your sibling- but now?

The State has no burden of proving anything.

^^^^ says the Nazi bigot

Syriously, you haven't explained what harm will come to the children of gays if SSM is overturned or why they would harm these children?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

...

 

[Pop23]

You're totally ignoring the state's interest in outlawing polygamy. You can do that, but ignoring it is not an argument

Are you arguing that the State must demonstrate its interest?

You don't understand what happens when the argument is a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, in which the STATE MUST SHOW A COMPELLING ARGUEMENT TO DENY THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

what you are arguing is the exact argument made by Virginia to keep races from marrying and the exact same argument made to stop same sex marriage.

Are you saying that NOW you are a racist and a bigot?

It's very sad, yet amusing that you apparently have no clue what you are talking about. You can conflate the race based laws and the same sex based laws, with the incest based laws all you want. But doing so does not make for a compelling argument or a rational one.

The state has already demonstrated it's interest. That is why there are anti-incest marriage laws on the books, but...

Incest, which is sexual relations between (non-spouse) family members, is outlawed in most countries, including the United States. Incest laws aim to promote security and unity with the family, and to prevent the genetic problems that often occur in babies whose parents are related.

In the U.S., incest is regulated by state, not federal law, and every state has one or more laws banning this problematic behavior. And while states sometimes vary in defining ..

What is “Family?”
For the purposes of incest laws, “family” can mean several things...

Prosecution and Defenses
Often, a situation involving incest also implicates other criminal laws. For example...

Consent not a defense
A defendant may be convicted of engaging in incest if he knowingly engaged in a sexual encounter with a family member (if no encounter actually took place, the prosecutor may charge the defendant with attempted incest). Because of this...

Who is charged?
Although the ages of the parties are not relevant in proving that incest took place (and are not a defense to such charges), the age of the parties may be relevant as far as who is prosecuted for the crime. For example...

Old cases and the statute of limitations
All states set time periods in which a crime may be prosecuted, such as five or ten years after the incident. Such laws are intended to ensure that cases are handled relatively quickly, and recognize the danger in prosecuting old cases where the facts may be difficult to discern. In some states... -
Incest Laws and Criminal Charges | Nolo.com
​

and this case...

Generally, in cases like this involving “consensual activity within the home,” it comes down to the question of whether the government has “a compelling state interest” in regulating the activity. “Some courts recognize that the government does have an interest in regulating incestuous conduct because of the risk of pregnancy and the heightened risk of genetic defect,” he says. Other courts will convict even without such a risk: In Ohio, a sexual battery statute states that a stepparent should never have sexual contact with a stepchild (and that is regardless of age). Most courts are concerned about parents preying on their children, he said. “Regardless of the age of the child, there’s still a theory that a parent is always a parent, a child is always a child and, as a result, there truly can’t be a consensual sexual act.” That explains why the daughter isn’t charged in this case. “The idea is the perpetrator is the parent and the victim is the child. We don’t normally prosecute a person falling within the protected class, and you remain a member of the protected class even above age of consent.” -
The law on “consensual” incest
​

The burdon of proof is now on the state to prove it has a compelling state interest TO DENY this fundimental right.

Silly Pops.

There is no burden of proof on the state now.

Perhaps there would be if you filed suit claiming your right to marry your sibling- but now?

The State has no burden of proving anything.

Pops can kill two birds with one stone and get his polygamy and incest fix by adding his brother to his existing marriage.

Incest is illegal. And I am happily married to all the people I want.

Thanks, I think maybe skylar wants me to marry it?

Skyler, you naughty lil it.

 

[Skylar]

So it took 46 years?

And my argument is invalid after what, 6 months.

You are one bizarre dude.

The 'implications' of Baker v. Nelson legalized same sex marriage? If no, then you're clearly not following what's being discussed.

And same sex marriage has been legal in the US for 10 years. Yet nothing you've claimed must happen....did happen.

How do you explain your perfect record of failure?

And in other countries much longer. Which countries allow gays to marry each other and ALSO perform polygamist marriages?

None? You don't say. Such a slippery slope!

How many of those have a 14th amendment like ours?

How many have folks such as yourself that don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about?

Remember, we've had the 14th amendement for the decade since we first started legalizing same sex marriage. And yet no where, in no court, has the law recognized your claims. No court has. And none of what you predicted would happen......actually happened.

How do you explain the vast chasm between what you *assumed* was going to happen. And what actually did?

The 14th amendment was ratified in 1868.

That's one looooong friggin decade!

Same sex marriage was first legalized in 1868? You seem confused.

Same sex marriage was first legalized in the US in 2004....in Massechusettes. Yet since that time, nothing you predicted would occur actually happened. Despite the fact that we've had the 14th amendment the entire time.

So again, how do you explain the utter and comic failure of your *every* prediction, with absolutely nothing you insisted must happen actually happening or being recognized as valid by any court?

 

[Pop23]

...

Cat gotcha mouth?