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The pre war Nazis also had a similar program for their second class citizens in the name public safety and national security.It's not like I made it up, Ravi...I went and sought out the rationale behind this legislation so I could have an informed opinion. The French government is facing a complex issue where religious freedom and individual freedom clash with public standards of safety and citizenship. You might notice the proposed fine for a veiled face in public places is not prohibitive and the Citizenship class "punishment" offers an avenue for further communication and reconciliation...a public service probably paid for by the fine itself...Whereas the penalty for forcing anyone to veil their face in public places is both prohibitive and punitive.
A man who initially didn't wear the yellow Star of David was fined.
Later it was upped to a prison sentence if he or his family members were caught without one sewed onto their clothes.
Different country, different century.
Same type of people and mindset.
According to muslims, what happened to the jews during WWII in germany, it is all a lie. It never happened remember?
The pre war Nazis also had a similar program for their second class citizens in the name public safety and national security.
A man who initially didn't wear the yellow Star of David was fined.
Later it was upped to a prison sentence if he or his family members were caught without one sewed onto their clothes.
Different country, different century.
Same type of people and mindset.
According to muslims, what happened to the jews during WWII in germany, it is all a lie. It never happened remember?
not according to Muslims but according to extremist and ignoramuses that the holocaust didn't happen. i was born and raised a muslim i never denied what happened to the jews in WWII.
the problem is again the media only focuses on the small percentage of Muslims who deny it.
I tell you what, Val...you go over there next spring and wear a burka and then come back and tell us bukas aren't outlawed.Really???Burqas are not outlawed...
Really.
Assemblée nationale - Société : interdiction de la dissimulation du visage dans l'espace public
French to English translation
National Assembly delegation for women's rights and equality of opportunity between men and women
Information report filed by the delegation of the National Assembly on women's rights and equality of opportunity between men and women on the bill prohibiting the concealment of the face in public spaces (No. 2520) No. 2646 filed June 23, 2010 (online since 24 June 2010 in 5:45 p.m.) by Bérengère Poletti
French to English translation
Preparatory work
National Assembly 1st reading - Senate first reading - Constitutional Council
National Assembly - 1st reading
Bill banning the concealment of the face in public space, No. 2520, filed May 19, 2010 (online since May 19, 2010 6:30 p.m.)
and referred to the Committee on Constitutional laws, legislation and general administration of the republic
Impact Study
Amendments
- Amendments tabled on the text n ° 2648
- Multi-Search
Committee work
- Legislation Committee
The concerned committee has appointed Mr. Jean-Paul Garraud reporter May 26, 2010
Amendments tabled in committee
Auditon minister during the meeting on 16 June 2010 10:00
Examination of the text during the meeting on 23 June 2010 11:30
Consideration of amendments (Article 88) during the meeting on 6 July 2010 at 9:15 p.m.
Report No. 2648 filed June 23, 2010 (posted 25 June 2010 to 18 hours):
Appendix 0 - Text of the commission (put online 23 June 2010 at 5:45 p.m.)
Discussion in open session
3rd meeting of Tuesday, July 6, 2010
1st meeting of Wednesday, July 7, 2010
2nd meeting of Tuesday, July 13, 2010
Ballot No. 0595 on the entire bill prohibiting the concealment of the face in public space during the second meeting of Tuesday, July 13, 2010
Bill banning the concealment of the face in public, in 1st reading by the National Assembly July 13, 2010, TA No. 524
Video of the discussion in open session
Senate - 1st reading
(File online at the Senate site)
Bill, adopted by the National Assembly, prohibiting the covering of the face in public, No. 675, filed July 13, 2010
and referred to the Committee on Constitutional laws, legislation, universal suffrage, the regulation and general administration
Committee work
- Legislation Committee
The concerned committee has appointed Mr. Francis Christmas Buffet reporter June 2, 2010
Report No. 699 filed September 8, 2010 by Mr. Francis Christmas Buffet
Text of the Commission filed No. 700 (2009-2010) filed September 8, 2010
Discussion in open session during the meeting of Tuesday, September 14, 2010
Bill banning the concealment of the face in public, adopted without amendment the first reading by the Senate September 14, 2010, TA No. 161
Constitutional Council
Referral to the Constitutional Council 14 September 2010 by the President of the Senate, pursuant to Article 61 paragraph 2 of the Constitution
Referral to the Constitutional Council 14 September 2010 by the President of the National Assembly, pursuant to Article 61 paragraph 2 of the Constitution
More
Useful links
From the report of the Council of Ministers
Main provisions of the text
Major amendments commissions
French to English translation
Useful links
Resolution on the commitment to respect for republican values against growing radical practices that could undermine it adopted May 11, 2010
Mission of information on the practice of wearing the full veil in the national territory
From the report of the Council of Ministers of 19/05/10
The Minister of State, Keeper of the Seals, Minister of Justice and freedoms, introduced a bill prohibiting the concealment of the face in public space.
The attire designed to conceal the face, especially the full veil, calls into question the rules that form the social compact. Given the damage it has for those rules that "living together" in the dignity and equality between the sexes, this practice, even if voluntary, can not be tolerated in any place public space. It is in this respect a very broad consensus, as was highlighted by the adoption of the National Assembly on 11 May, the resolution on the commitment to respect for republican values against growing radical practices that could undermine it.
Breach of this prohibition will be punished by a fine of not exceed 150 euros, a citizenship course can be substituted or added to this sentence.
The bill provides that the prohibition generally enter into force six months after the promulgation of the law. This period will be used to continue a process of dialogue and persuasion among women wearing the full veil voluntarily.
In addition, the bill punishes, under the outrages of the human person, compelling a person because of her sex to hide her face. By establishing a specific crime, punishable by one year imprisonment and fine of 15,000, it comes to fighting against this new form of enslavement of women, that the Republic could not agree on its ground.
Main provisions of the text
Article 1
Principle that "no person may, in public, wear clothing designed to conceal his face."
Article 2
Definition of the concept of public space as comprising public roads, public places and places affected by a utility.
Definition of the four exceptions to the prohibition:
- Uniforms prescribed by statute or by regulation (helmets for motorcycles);
- Uniforms authorized to protect the anonymity of the individual (status of certain witnesses in criminal trials);
- Uniforms justified by medical reasons (masks in case of epidemic, respiratory masks, bandages) or professional reasons (officers law enforcement, welding, sandblasting, asbestos removal, rat control, pest of vessels);
- Outfits that are part of festivities (carnival costumes, Santa Claus) or artistic (film actors, circus and theater) or traditional (processions, especially religious).
Article 3
Sanction the violation of the prohibition of concealing his face in public space: second class ticket, punishable by a fine of a maximum of 150 euros, which may supplement or replace the requirement a probationary period of citizenship.
Article 4
Creating the crime of incitement to hide his face, punishable by one year imprisonment and 15,000 euros fine.
Article 5
Entry into force six months after the publication of the Act, sections 1 to 3 (in contrast, Article 4 on the instigation to conceal his face will become effective immediately).
Article 6
Law enforcement throughout the territory of the Republic, both in France and overseas.
Article 7
Transmission to Parliament of a report prepared by the Government taking stock of the implementation of the law after a period of 18 months after its promulgation.
Major amendments commissions
WORK OF THE COMMISSION OF ACTS
Article 2
- Merge the first two exceptions to the prohibition of concealment of the face (Provision introduced at the initiative of the Rapporteur)
- The enlargement of the third exception, replacing the term "medical reasons" the term "health reasons" (Provision introduced at the initiative of the Rapporteur)
- Extension of exceptions to the "sporting", when they need a hiding place on the face (Provision introduced at the initiative of the Rapporteur)
Article 4
Increased from 15 000 to 30 000 euros the amount of the fine for the crime of enforced concealment of the face (imprisonment maintained at 1 year) increase in penalties (two years in prison and 60,000 euros fine) when Persons under stress are minor at the relevant time (Provision introduced at the initiative of Jean Glavany, CBC, Hautes-Pyrenees, and members of the group CBC)
Article 7
Extending the scope of the report, so it also reflects the quantitative assessment of the number of violations and the current state of the practice of wearing the full veil in public spaces (provision introduced at the initiative Rapporteur)
See Report No. 72 of the commission.
© National Assembly
I tell you what, Val...you go over there next spring and wear a burka and then come back and tell us bukas aren't outlawed.Really???
Really.
Assemblée nationale - Société : interdiction de la dissimulation du visage dans l'espace public
French to English translation
National Assembly delegation for women's rights and equality of opportunity between men and women
Information report filed by the delegation of the National Assembly on women's rights and equality of opportunity between men and women on the bill prohibiting the concealment of the face in public spaces (No. 2520) No. 2646 filed June 23, 2010 (online since 24 June 2010 in 5:45 p.m.) by Bérengère Poletti
French to English translation
Preparatory work
National Assembly 1st reading - Senate first reading - Constitutional Council
National Assembly - 1st reading
Bill banning the concealment of the face in public space, No. 2520, filed May 19, 2010 (online since May 19, 2010 6:30 p.m.)
and referred to the Committee on Constitutional laws, legislation and general administration of the republic
Impact Study
Amendments
- Amendments tabled on the text n ° 2648
- Multi-Search
Committee work
- Legislation Committee
The concerned committee has appointed Mr. Jean-Paul Garraud reporter May 26, 2010
Amendments tabled in committee
Auditon minister during the meeting on 16 June 2010 10:00
Examination of the text during the meeting on 23 June 2010 11:30
Consideration of amendments (Article 88) during the meeting on 6 July 2010 at 9:15 p.m.
Report No. 2648 filed June 23, 2010 (posted 25 June 2010 to 18 hours):
Appendix 0 - Text of the commission (put online 23 June 2010 at 5:45 p.m.)
Discussion in open session
3rd meeting of Tuesday, July 6, 2010
1st meeting of Wednesday, July 7, 2010
2nd meeting of Tuesday, July 13, 2010
Ballot No. 0595 on the entire bill prohibiting the concealment of the face in public space during the second meeting of Tuesday, July 13, 2010
Bill banning the concealment of the face in public, in 1st reading by the National Assembly July 13, 2010, TA No. 524
Video of the discussion in open session
Senate - 1st reading
(File online at the Senate site)
Bill, adopted by the National Assembly, prohibiting the covering of the face in public, No. 675, filed July 13, 2010
and referred to the Committee on Constitutional laws, legislation, universal suffrage, the regulation and general administration
Committee work
- Legislation Committee
The concerned committee has appointed Mr. Francis Christmas Buffet reporter June 2, 2010
Report No. 699 filed September 8, 2010 by Mr. Francis Christmas Buffet
Text of the Commission filed No. 700 (2009-2010) filed September 8, 2010
Discussion in open session during the meeting of Tuesday, September 14, 2010
Bill banning the concealment of the face in public, adopted without amendment the first reading by the Senate September 14, 2010, TA No. 161
Constitutional Council
Referral to the Constitutional Council 14 September 2010 by the President of the Senate, pursuant to Article 61 paragraph 2 of the Constitution
Referral to the Constitutional Council 14 September 2010 by the President of the National Assembly, pursuant to Article 61 paragraph 2 of the Constitution
More
Useful links
From the report of the Council of Ministers
Main provisions of the text
Major amendments commissions
French to English translation
Useful links
Resolution on the commitment to respect for republican values against growing radical practices that could undermine it adopted May 11, 2010
Mission of information on the practice of wearing the full veil in the national territory
From the report of the Council of Ministers of 19/05/10
The Minister of State, Keeper of the Seals, Minister of Justice and freedoms, introduced a bill prohibiting the concealment of the face in public space.
The attire designed to conceal the face, especially the full veil, calls into question the rules that form the social compact. Given the damage it has for those rules that "living together" in the dignity and equality between the sexes, this practice, even if voluntary, can not be tolerated in any place public space. It is in this respect a very broad consensus, as was highlighted by the adoption of the National Assembly on 11 May, the resolution on the commitment to respect for republican values against growing radical practices that could undermine it.
Breach of this prohibition will be punished by a fine of not exceed 150 euros, a citizenship course can be substituted or added to this sentence.
The bill provides that the prohibition generally enter into force six months after the promulgation of the law. This period will be used to continue a process of dialogue and persuasion among women wearing the full veil voluntarily.
In addition, the bill punishes, under the outrages of the human person, compelling a person because of her sex to hide her face. By establishing a specific crime, punishable by one year imprisonment and fine of 15,000, it comes to fighting against this new form of enslavement of women, that the Republic could not agree on its ground.
Main provisions of the text
Article 1
Principle that "no person may, in public, wear clothing designed to conceal his face."
Article 2
Definition of the concept of public space as comprising public roads, public places and places affected by a utility.
Definition of the four exceptions to the prohibition:
- Uniforms prescribed by statute or by regulation (helmets for motorcycles);
- Uniforms authorized to protect the anonymity of the individual (status of certain witnesses in criminal trials);
- Uniforms justified by medical reasons (masks in case of epidemic, respiratory masks, bandages) or professional reasons (officers law enforcement, welding, sandblasting, asbestos removal, rat control, pest of vessels);
- Outfits that are part of festivities (carnival costumes, Santa Claus) or artistic (film actors, circus and theater) or traditional (processions, especially religious).
Article 3
Sanction the violation of the prohibition of concealing his face in public space: second class ticket, punishable by a fine of a maximum of 150 euros, which may supplement or replace the requirement a probationary period of citizenship.
Article 4
Creating the crime of incitement to hide his face, punishable by one year imprisonment and 15,000 euros fine.
Article 5
Entry into force six months after the publication of the Act, sections 1 to 3 (in contrast, Article 4 on the instigation to conceal his face will become effective immediately).
Article 6
Law enforcement throughout the territory of the Republic, both in France and overseas.
Article 7
Transmission to Parliament of a report prepared by the Government taking stock of the implementation of the law after a period of 18 months after its promulgation.
Major amendments commissions
WORK OF THE COMMISSION OF ACTS
Article 2
- Merge the first two exceptions to the prohibition of concealment of the face (Provision introduced at the initiative of the Rapporteur)
- The enlargement of the third exception, replacing the term "medical reasons" the term "health reasons" (Provision introduced at the initiative of the Rapporteur)
- Extension of exceptions to the "sporting", when they need a hiding place on the face (Provision introduced at the initiative of the Rapporteur)
Article 4
Increased from 15 000 to 30 000 euros the amount of the fine for the crime of enforced concealment of the face (imprisonment maintained at 1 year) increase in penalties (two years in prison and 60,000 euros fine) when Persons under stress are minor at the relevant time (Provision introduced at the initiative of Jean Glavany, CBC, Hautes-Pyrenees, and members of the group CBC)
Article 7
Extending the scope of the report, so it also reflects the quantitative assessment of the number of violations and the current state of the practice of wearing the full veil in public spaces (provision introduced at the initiative Rapporteur)
See Report No. 72 of the commission.
© National Assembly
PARIS – France is on alert for possible terrorism after intelligence suggested that attackers might target a public gathering place, with one lead pointing to a female suicide bomber, a counterterrorism official said Monday.
The scare came as five French workers and two African colleagues were kidnapped in Niger, part of the African turf of al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb. On Sept. 14, there was a false bomb alert at the Eiffel Tower.
Last week, the Senate voted to ban burqa-style Islamic veils in France, a subject that has prompted warnings by al-Qaida's Maghreb group.
Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux said Monday that "the terrorist threat is real, and today our vigilance, therefore, is reinforced." Speaking during a visit to the Seine-et-Marne region east of Paris, he did not elaborate on the additional security measures taken.
It looks like France is letting the terrorists win.
Fuck off troll.It looks like France is letting the terrorists win.
You are confusing who the real terrorists are. Start with the USA !!!!
Fuck off troll.You are confusing who the real terrorists are. Start with the USA !!!!
You sound like a Hindu. Go and pray to your cow god, whilst I enjoy my beefburger.
Fuck off troll.You are confusing who the real terrorists are. Start with the USA !!!!
You sound like a Hindu. Go and pray to your cow god, whilst I enjoy my beefburger.
fuck off troll.you are confusing who the real terrorists are. Start with the usa !!!!
you sound like a hindu. Go and pray to your cow god, whilst i enjoy my beefburger.
French president debates "moderate" Muslim on the moratorium OF STONING!!!!! Read the transcript provided by Berman of Ramadan's televised debate with Nicolas Sarkozy, the President of France, on the issue of whether a moratorium is need to stop women from being stoned for adultery.
Sarkozy: A moratorium... Mr. Ramadan, are you serious?
Ramadan: Wait, let me finish.
Sarkozy: A moratorium, that is to say, we should, for a while, hold back from stoning women?
Ramadan: No, no, wait.... What does a moratorium mean? A moratorium would mean that we absolutely end the application of all of those penalties, in order to have a true debate. And my position is that if we arrive at a consensus among Muslims, it will necessarily end. But you cannot, you know, when you are in a community... Today on television, I can please the French people who are watching by saying, "Me, my own position." But my own position doesn't count. What matters is to bring about an evolution in Muslim mentalities, Mr. Sarkozy. It's necessary that you understand....
Sarkozy: But, Mr. Ramadan...
Ramadan: Let me finish.
Sarkozy: Just one point. I understand you, but Muslims are human beings who live in 2003 in France, since we are speaking about the French community, and you have just said something particularly incredible, which is that the stoning of women, yes, the stoning is a bit shocking, but we should simply declare a moratorium, and then we are going to think about it in order to decide if it is good... But that's monstrous--to stone a woman because she is an adulterer! It's necessary to condemn it!
Ramadan: Mr. Sarkozy, listen well to what I am saying. What I say, my own position, is that the law is not applicable--that's clear. But today, I speak to Muslims around the world and I take part, even in the United States, in the Muslim world.... You should have a pedagogical posture that makes people discuss things. You can decide all by yourself to be a progressive in the communities. That's too easy. Today my position is, that is to say, "We should stop."
Sarkozy: Mr. Ramadan, if it is regressive not to want to stone women, I avow that I am a regressive.
A moratorium? To discuss stoning women? That way Ramadan can almost be against the practice without actually condemning it and thus defying Sharia law.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Muslim moderation. And this is exactly the tact taken by Imam Rauf with his interfaith center. It will be a place for dialogue, he promises, for discussion, for the coming together of different religions and ways of life. But at the end of the day all of the dialogue and moratoriums lead to nothing so much as the adoption of Sharia law, however incremental, within a Western secular democracy that preaches the freedom of religion Sharia law would destroy.
Muslims in France should ignore the drivel coming from the French lawmakers.
French law is even more flimsy than the case that the American Terrorists made to attack Iraq.
What is the dress code for Muslims?
Islam emphasizes modesty. No person should be perceived as a sex object. There are certain guidelines both for men and women that their dress should neither be too thin nor too tight to reveal body forms. For men, they must at least cover the area from the knee to navel and for women, their dress should cover all areas except the hands and face. The veil is not essential.
I was just checking out the website of an Islamic school in Villanova, PA. This is from their FAQ:
What is the dress code for Muslims?
Islam emphasizes modesty. No person should be perceived as a sex object. There are certain guidelines both for men and women that their dress should neither be too thin nor too tight to reveal body forms. For men, they must at least cover the area from the knee to navel and for women, their dress should cover all areas except the hands and face. The veil is not essential.
:: Welcome to the Foundation for Islamic Education ::
I saw a Muslim couple at an amusement park a few years ago. The guy had on shorts and a short sleeved top (it was about 100 degrees out) and the woman was in a burka (not covering her face). All I could think was "how is this fair"?
You should ask a muslimah sometimes how she feels about it.I was just checking out the website of an Islamic school in Villanova, PA. This is from their FAQ:
What is the dress code for Muslims?
Islam emphasizes modesty. No person should be perceived as a sex object. There are certain guidelines both for men and women that their dress should neither be too thin nor too tight to reveal body forms. For men, they must at least cover the area from the knee to navel and for women, their dress should cover all areas except the hands and face. The veil is not essential.
:: Welcome to the Foundation for Islamic Education ::
I saw a Muslim couple at an amusement park a few years ago. The guy had on shorts and a short sleeved top (it was about 100 degrees out) and the woman was in a burka (not covering her face). All I could think was "how is this fair"?
I see the same thing all the time. The men in western clothing and the women smothered in what they are wearing.
What i always think is how would they like wearing clothing like that.
I'll blame it on the wine.
