Francis Keys bridge hit by ship. Bridge collapses, mass casualty event.

[para bellum]

Back to the currents and river flow then, and this verses weight, flow of current either inward or outward in the inlet, and excetra, excetra.

Current was minimal, but not in the ship's favor. This was all about the momentum of a 150,000 ton ship at 7 kts, losing steerage less than a 1/2 mile from the bridge.

In the old days, tugs used to be powered by Atlas Imperials. They were also direct drive- to put it in reverse you shut down the motor and started it up in reverse.

The rule when coming into the dock was if the engine didn't re-start, you aimed for another company boat. If there was no company boat to crash into, you aimed for the cheapest boat at the dock.

 

[beagle9]

You need to find the charts for the time of the incident. I can’t find them. Everything is forecast only.
Still, the two dynamics of low tide and high tide would theoretically counter current drifting in a harbor. A river or open ocean would yield different effects.

Once the lights came back on, and smoke began billowing, the vessel looked as if it could have been under its own power again. How does the ship appear to make a slight turn toward the bridge ? Was it under power at that point ?

 

[para bellum]

Hope it wasn't because of budgets and such that the policies weren't being implemented, otherwise when they absolutely should have been. This country seems to have a bad habit of this kind of thing being past tense/hindsight instead of being proactive.

We always wait until something happens, it's the nature of it I guess.

Ultimately it's the captain's responsibility. I'm sure the company was putting pressure on him, but if there were unresolved electrical problems and he left port anyway, he's done for...

 

[MAGA Macho Man]

A commenter said this on another forum:



The ship makes a hard right turn directly into the bridge support after it regains power.

It was either hacked or deliberately driven into the bridge.

The power (lighting on the ship) goes on and the ship makes a sharp right turn into the bridge support.

Either the captain or harbor pilot deliberately steered into the bridge or the computers and steering on the ship were hacked.,

The ship would have likely missed the bridge support if it didn't turn right.

Notice the smoke coming out of the funnel as it accelerates for the turn and the ramming of the bridge.

 

[para bellum]

Once the lights came back on, and smoke began billowing, the vessel looked as if it could have been under its own power again. How does the ship appear to make a slight turn toward the bridge ? Was it under power at that point ?

I first thought that smoke was the main, but I think it was the emergency generator. By that point they were virtually on top of the bridge anyway.

The veer to starboard is better seen on the vessel track, and it happened when power was lost, between 1/4 and 1/2 mile from the bridge. This is a crappy image but it's accurate. I can't find the one from marine traffic that I saw before.

 

[Faun]

Quick to call the Bridge incident an accident and not foul play before investigating the crew for any suspicious actors, can this be acceptable after finding out hazardous chemicals were spilled out into the water as well?
On top of that it happened right after the water supply threat, and Moscow attack by Isis K.
It's not like Singapore (country of origin owned Container Ship) doesn't have Isis K terrorists cells in their country plotting terrorist attacks globally.
Perfect example and proof they do:

Singapore detains teenage Isis supporter for plotting three attacks

Muhammad Irfan Danyal Mohamad Nor made plans to travel overseas to take up armed violence and aspired to establish an Islamic caliphate in Singapore.

www.scmp.com

Folks on the boat phoned authorities they lost control of the ship before hitting the bridge. If they were terrorists, they were the world's worst terrorists.

 

[para bellum]

A commenter said this on another forum:



The ship makes a hard right turn directly into the bridge support after it regains power.

It was either hacked or deliberately driven into the bridge.

The power (lighting on the ship) goes on and the ship makes a sharp right turn into the bridge support.

Either the captain or harbor pilot deliberately steered into the bridge or the computers and steering on the ship were hacked.,

The ship would have likely missed the bridge support if it didn't turn right.

Notice the smoke coming out of the funnel as it accelerates for the turn and the ramming of the bridge.

That's a crock. The guy sped up 8 minutes of video into about 3 seconds, it does not represent what happened in real time at all.

The power came on and went back off before the collision, the ship was not under control.

 

[Faun]

A commenter said this on another forum:



The ship makes a hard right turn directly into the bridge support after it regains power.

It was either hacked or deliberately driven into the bridge.

The power (lighting on the ship) goes on and the ship makes a sharp right turn into the bridge support.

Either the captain or harbor pilot deliberately steered into the bridge or the computers and steering on the ship were hacked.,

The ship would have likely missed the bridge support if it didn't turn right.

Notice the smoke coming out of the funnel as it accelerates for the turn and the ramming of the bridge.

The ship turned because they dropped anchor in a failed attempt to stop the boat.

If someone wanted to take out that bridge, a cargo ship wasn't needed. Some well placed explosives would have done the trick.

WTF is wrong with you conspiracy nuts?

 

[HaShev]

This was not an attack. It was a freak accident caused by a total blackout. NTSB has already mentioned it a few times.

Navy Salvage Team Leading Drive to Open Fort McHenry Channel After Key Bridge Collapse - USNI News

The Navy is leading salvage efforts to clear and re-open the channel leading to the Port of Baltimore following the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge, service officials told USNI News on Thursday. Naval Sea Systems Command supervisor of salvage and diving is supporting the U.S. Army Corps...

news.usni.org

By 1:24 a.m., the ship was underway, sailing at about 8 knots. Within a minute, several alarms start going off, cutting of the ship’s video voyage data recorder while the audio remains, Muise said.

At 1:26 a.m., the ship’s pilot makes a call for tugs in the area to assist, he said. Maryland Transportation Authority data also shows that the pilot’s association called about the ship’s blackout.

A minute later, the pilot commanded the ship to drop the port anchor. The ship also puts out a radio call about its power outage and the likelihood of striking the bridge.

By 1:29, the ship is traveling at 7 knots and strikes the Key Bridge, Muise said.

Before they investigated if anyone caused the ship blackout or if it was accurately true, they made a jump conclusion about it being just an accident which is something you don't do for sake of security but also trust and belief by Joe Public. If there was a blackout, why are there reports that smoke is seen coming out the stack prior to impact? See questions come before conclusions hased on merely being warned ahead of impact.
Those warning impact had not investigated the ships problem, they just were reacting to the situation, how would they know until they Asked questions?
Like I'm raising.

 

[HaShev]

The ship turned because they dropped anchor in a failed attempt to stop the boat.

If someone wanted to take out that bridge, a cargo ship wasn't needed. Some well placed explosives would have done the trick.

WTF is wrong with you conspiracy nuts?

questions are healthy, they keep you from being a dupe when you are or were right to question motives, it doesn't mean you believe it to be sabotage or accident. My statement OP was clear, regarding not concluding before you investigate, it just makes people trust less and become more suspicious.

 

[HaShev]

Folks on the boat phoned authorities they lost control of the ship before hitting the bridge. If they were terrorists, they were the world's worst terrorists.

The boat crew phoning the warning had no time to investigate why, to conclude if or not they had a spiteful or sabotage employee help cause it, that's why I said you don't assume just because you were warned.
Then after you fully trully investigate can people be more satisfied by the conclusions, but when you assume before investigating everyone responsible then you leave doubts by your own poor investigation and handling.

 

[tahuyaman]

Wrongs! So very wrong! How would sailboats turn?

Sail boats use a tiller which extends far below the bottom of the boat. There’s a big difference between a tiller and a rudder you moron.

Maybe you can figure out how to mount a tiller on the stern of a container ship. It would need to a massive piece of equipment. A tiller on a container ship would need to be 200+ feet long and 150 feet wide at least.

If a sail boat has no auxiliary engine and no wind, it’s at the mercy of the current.


Dip -shit

 

[tahuyaman]

How can you see that? The ship has no indication of propulsion being applied.

In the video you can see a huge plume of smoke coming out of the smoke stack of the ship just seconds before the crash. That shows that they did get the engines started, just too late.

 

[Delldude]

A ship needs engine power to steer. A ship doesn’t turn just because you rotate the rudders. The propellers need to be forcing water past the rudders to steer. The propellers are not turned through electrical power. Large diesel engines do that.

Never said that happened..............rudder most likely operated by electrical/hydraulic input. Beyond that, a dead in the water ship would still have directional control with a dead engine, via the rudder.

Try again.

 

[Faun]

questions are healthy, they keep you from being a dupe when you are or were right to question motives, it doesn't mean you believe it to be sabotage or accident. My statement OP was clear, regarding not concluding before you investigate, it just makes people trust less and become more suspicious.

Inventing nonsensical conspiracies are not healthy. It didn't take a rocket scientist to determine it wasn't a terrorist attack.

There were easier ways to destroy that bridge which didn't involve known people on the ship.

There were other times during the day to inflict far more casualties had it been a terrorist attack.

They warned authorities they lost control to minimize traffic on the bridge.

They tried to stop the vessel before it struck the bridge.

The entire ship went dark, signaling a catastrophe failure.

Black smoke coming from the ship indicated either a catastrophe failure or a desperate maneuver.

 

[tahuyaman]

How can you see that? The ship has no indication of propulsion being applied.

The plume of smoke coming out of the smoke stack just seconds before the crash indicates that they did get the engines started, but way too late.

 

[tahuyaman]

Never said that happened..............rudder most likely operated by electrical/hydraulic input. Beyond that, a dead in the water ship would still have directional control with a dead engine, via the rudder.

Try again.

No it wouldn’t. The rudders are useless with no prop wash.

 

[Delldude]

No it wouldn’t. The rudders are useless with no prop wash.

Bullshit.....as long as there is momentum, the rudder can still afford some directional control.

 

[tahuyaman]

Bullshit.....as long as there is momentum, the rudder can still afford some directional control.

Wrong. You know nothing about how power boats work. In a motor vessel, no engine power means no ability to steer. A ship dead in the water is at the mercy of the current.

 

[para bellum]

Sail boats use a tiller which extends far below the bottom of the boat. There’s a big difference between a tiller and a rudder you moron.

You are obviously not familiar with boats. The rudder is the blade in the water. The tiller is the stick that is attached to the rudder.

Lots of sailboats do not have tiller steering- they have wheel steering that is connected to the rudder post via cables or hydraulics just like any conventional power boat. There are even power boats that use tillers to steer. There is a practical limit to tillers, they are not suitable for large boats.

And some boats have no rudders at all. Outboards, inboard-outboards, jet drives, and azipods point the the propeller or impeller in the desired direction and do not use underwater control surfaces.

Azipods are very common on cruise ships and tugs due to their maneuverability, they can rotate 360 degrees and maneuver the vessel sideways if desired.

As long as the hull is moving forward through the water, the rudder has steering authority. It is not dependent on propeller wash to function.