Frank Serpico: Incidents like Eric Garner's death drive wedge between police and society

[theDoctorisIn]

We have learned today that NYC food venders do not charge sales tax. Cool.

I think you might want to reread my post.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

If I buy packages of hot dogs from the supermarket and set up my wagon on a corner and sell them singly to people, am I breaking the law?

You might be breaking some laws about being an unlicensed food vendor, but you're not breaking any tax laws.

Really? So I can sell my hot dogs without charging sales tax?

If you bought them at the supermarket, you already paid the taxes on it.

Sales taxes are only paid once. The supermarket didn't pay sales tax when they bought those hot dogs from the wholesaler, either.

So you're telling us food venders don't charge a sales tax in NYC.

No, they do. But those food vendors don't pay a sales tax on the food they buy to resell. Food vendors are the retail level, in your example.

Oh so now you're changing your story. So it's against the law. Can you figure it out yet or do I need to keep holding your hand as I walk you through this?

 

[guno]

According to reports the cigarette packs found on him did not have tax stamps. Those can be obtained on reservations, and I would assume black market as well.

You don't understand how stamp taxes work, do you?

Oh, cut the crap. How did the government put Al Capone away?

I edited my post with an explanation of how cigarette taxes work.

His customers weren't paying sales tax now, were they.

Sales tax is also paid only at one step in the chain - at the retail level. If he bought the cigarettes at the store, he paid the sales tax too.

NC has no cig tax stamp people from NY stop by and are sold up to 100 cartoons

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

We have learned today that NYC food venders do not charge sales tax. Cool.

I think you might want to reread my post.

Nope. I'm not the one confused.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You might be breaking some laws about being an unlicensed food vendor, but you're not breaking any tax laws.

Really? So I can sell my hot dogs without charging sales tax?

If you bought them at the supermarket, you already paid the taxes on it.

Sales taxes are only paid once. The supermarket didn't pay sales tax when they bought those hot dogs from the wholesaler, either.

So you're telling us food venders don't charge a sales tax in NYC.

No, they do. But those food vendors don't pay a sales tax on the food they buy to resell. Food vendors are the retail level, in your example.

Oh so now you're changing your story. So it's against the law. Can you figure it out yet or do I need to keep holding your hand as I walk you through this?

No, you're just simply not understanding what I'm saying. It's really not complicated.

If you know someone who owns a retail business, perhaps they can explain it to you.

If I buy a TV, then sell it to a friend of mine, do you think I have to collect sales tax on it?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

We have learned today that NYC food venders do not charge sales tax. Cool.

I think you might want to reread my post.

Nope. I'm not the one confused.

Yes, you are.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

Bottom line is you can't sell anything without charging a sales tax and you don't want to admit it.

 

[depotoo]

If he charges over the cost of each hot dog that he paid, then yes, he must charge tax on the difference.

He was busted for selling loose cigarettes, not "untaxed" cigarettes.

(patiently)

OK, if that's the case....

If there is no threat to your well-being, then why is this law on the books in the first place?

The police's job is to enforce ALL laws. They don't get to pick and choose which ones they don't have to enforce. (This should be pointed out to Obama sometime.) Any time the legislature makes a law, they are OKing use of force to enforce it. That should only be done when use of force is proper for the "offense" in question.

Garner wasn't busted because there was any threat to anybody's well-being.

According to you, he was busted for selling one or two cigarettes at a time instead of twenty at a time.

Is that a proper law? One that puts citizens at risk, and authorizes police to use force (that might become excessive) simply so that Eric Garner will sell the number of cigarettes the big-govt liberals think he should sell?

Do I think the law is "proper"? No.

Does it have anything to do with "big government liberals"? No.

Loosey laws, and all other sin laws come from big-government social conservatives, not "liberals".

What's funny is they are in this thread defending it and trying to say at the same time it only exists because liberals want it. What liberal is here defending it?

Answer: Crickets

If I buy packages of hot dogs from the supermarket and set up my wagon on a corner and sell them singly to people, am I breaking the law?

You might be breaking some laws about being an unlicensed food vendor, but you're not breaking any tax laws.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

Really? So I can sell my hot dogs without charging sales tax?

If you bought them at the supermarket, you already paid the taxes on it.

Sales taxes are only paid once. The supermarket didn't pay sales tax when they bought those hot dogs from the wholesaler, either.

So you're telling us food venders don't charge a sales tax in NYC.

No, they do. But those food vendors don't pay a sales tax on the food they buy to resell. Food vendors are the retail level, in your example.

Oh so now you're changing your story. So it's against the law. Can you figure it out yet or do I need to keep holding your hand as I walk you through this?

No, you're just simply not understanding what I'm saying. It's really not complicated.

If you know someone who owns a retail business, perhaps they can explain it to you.

If I buy a TV, then sell it to a friend of mine, do you think I have to collect sales tax on it?

Nope. Try selling TVs on the street of NYC.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Bottom line is you can't sell anything without charging a sales tax and you don't want to admit it.

That's funny, I just bought 10 cases of wine and didn't pay a cent of sales tax on it.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

If he charges over the cost of each hot dog that he paid, then yes, he must charge tax on the difference.

(patiently)

OK, if that's the case....

If there is no threat to your well-being, then why is this law on the books in the first place?

The police's job is to enforce ALL laws. They don't get to pick and choose which ones they don't have to enforce. (This should be pointed out to Obama sometime.) Any time the legislature makes a law, they are OKing use of force to enforce it. That should only be done when use of force is proper for the "offense" in question.

Garner wasn't busted because there was any threat to anybody's well-being.

According to you, he was busted for selling one or two cigarettes at a time instead of twenty at a time.

Is that a proper law? One that puts citizens at risk, and authorizes police to use force (that might become excessive) simply so that Eric Garner will sell the number of cigarettes the big-govt liberals think he should sell?

Do I think the law is "proper"? No.

Does it have anything to do with "big government liberals"? No.

Loosey laws, and all other sin laws come from big-government social conservatives, not "liberals".

What's funny is they are in this thread defending it and trying to say at the same time it only exists because liberals want it. What liberal is here defending it?

Answer: Crickets

If I buy packages of hot dogs from the supermarket and set up my wagon on a corner and sell them singly to people, am I breaking the law?

You might be breaking some laws about being an unlicensed food vendor, but you're not breaking any tax laws.

You might be technically right about that.

But I doubt that the pennies of additional sales tax that the city loses on loosies isn't the point of the law.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

He was busted for selling loose cigarettes, not "untaxed" cigarettes.

(patiently)

OK, if that's the case....

If there is no threat to your well-being, then why is this law on the books in the first place?

The police's job is to enforce ALL laws. They don't get to pick and choose which ones they don't have to enforce. (This should be pointed out to Obama sometime.) Any time the legislature makes a law, they are OKing use of force to enforce it. That should only be done when use of force is proper for the "offense" in question.

Garner wasn't busted because there was any threat to anybody's well-being.

According to you, he was busted for selling one or two cigarettes at a time instead of twenty at a time.

Is that a proper law? One that puts citizens at risk, and authorizes police to use force (that might become excessive) simply so that Eric Garner will sell the number of cigarettes the big-govt liberals think he should sell?

Do I think the law is "proper"? No.

Does it have anything to do with "big government liberals"? No.

Loosey laws, and all other sin laws come from big-government social conservatives, not "liberals".

It's the cost of ciggs that drives the loosey market. What are they 15 bucks a pack in NY compared to 6 bucks in Houston?
Sounds like you got it backwards.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

If you bought them at the supermarket, you already paid the taxes on it.

Sales taxes are only paid once. The supermarket didn't pay sales tax when they bought those hot dogs from the wholesaler, either.

So you're telling us food venders don't charge a sales tax in NYC.

No, they do. But those food vendors don't pay a sales tax on the food they buy to resell. Food vendors are the retail level, in your example.

Oh so now you're changing your story. So it's against the law. Can you figure it out yet or do I need to keep holding your hand as I walk you through this?

No, you're just simply not understanding what I'm saying. It's really not complicated.

If you know someone who owns a retail business, perhaps they can explain it to you.

If I buy a TV, then sell it to a friend of mine, do you think I have to collect sales tax on it?

Nope. Try selling TVs on the street of NYC.

Have you ever been to New York?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

He was busted for selling loose cigarettes, not "untaxed" cigarettes.

(patiently)

OK, if that's the case....

If there is no threat to your well-being, then why is this law on the books in the first place?

The police's job is to enforce ALL laws. They don't get to pick and choose which ones they don't have to enforce. (This should be pointed out to Obama sometime.) Any time the legislature makes a law, they are OKing use of force to enforce it. That should only be done when use of force is proper for the "offense" in question.

Garner wasn't busted because there was any threat to anybody's well-being.

According to you, he was busted for selling one or two cigarettes at a time instead of twenty at a time.

Is that a proper law? One that puts citizens at risk, and authorizes police to use force (that might become excessive) simply so that Eric Garner will sell the number of cigarettes the big-govt liberals think he should sell?

Do I think the law is "proper"? No.

Does it have anything to do with "big government liberals"? No.

Loosey laws, and all other sin laws come from big-government social conservatives, not "liberals".

It's the cost of ciggs that drives the loosey market. What are they 15 bucks a pack in NY compared to 6 bucks in Houston?
Sounds like you got it backwards.

The "loosey" market existed long before New York went crazy with the cigarette taxes.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

Bottom line is you can't sell anything without charging a sales tax and you don't want to admit it.

That's funny, I just bought 10 cases of wine and didn't pay a cent of sales tax on it.

Good. Now take it all down to a street in NYC and sell them. Let me know how that turns out.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Back when cigarettes were $3 a pack, loosies were usually 25 cents. When cigarettes went up to $5 a pack, loosies went up to 50 cents. When I left NY 4 years ago, loosies were 75 cents. They're probably a dollar now.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

He was busted for selling loose cigarettes, not "untaxed" cigarettes.

(patiently)

OK, if that's the case....

If there is no threat to your well-being, then why is this law on the books in the first place?

The police's job is to enforce ALL laws. They don't get to pick and choose which ones they don't have to enforce. (This should be pointed out to Obama sometime.) Any time the legislature makes a law, they are OKing use of force to enforce it. That should only be done when use of force is proper for the "offense" in question.

Garner wasn't busted because there was any threat to anybody's well-being.

According to you, he was busted for selling one or two cigarettes at a time instead of twenty at a time.

Is that a proper law? One that puts citizens at risk, and authorizes police to use force (that might become excessive) simply so that Eric Garner will sell the number of cigarettes the big-govt liberals think he should sell?

Do I think the law is "proper"? No.

Does it have anything to do with "big government liberals"? No.

Loosey laws, and all other sin laws come from big-government social conservatives, not "liberals".

It's the cost of ciggs that drives the loosey market. What are they 15 bucks a pack in NY compared to 6 bucks in Houston?
Sounds like you got it backwards.

The "loosey" market existed long before New York went crazy with the cigarette taxes.

As with a lot of things. Government has grown into an oppressive monster.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Bottom line is you can't sell anything without charging a sales tax and you don't want to admit it.

That's funny, I just bought 10 cases of wine and didn't pay a cent of sales tax on it.

Good. Now take it all down to a street in NYC and sell them. Let me know how that turns out.

I still don't think you understand what I'm saying.

When I re-sell these bottles of wine, I'll have to collect sales tax on them, because I didn't pay it already.

 

[MaryL]

Really? Bad cops are a dime a dozen, what do we do with the tens of thousands of vile evil brutal civilians in every city of this country? Let's balance this out here. Can we do that? Blacks in poor communities abuse each other, harm each other. Cops balance that out. Why is it blacks bitch so much about white cops when they slay each other far beyond what white cops do? Really? Why don't blacks shut the hell up and recognize THAT little fact?

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

Back when cigarettes were $3 a pack, loosies were usually 25 cents. When cigarettes went up to $5 a pack, loosies went up to 50 cents. When I left NY 4 years ago, loosies were 75 cents. They're probably a dollar now.

Correct. I estimate a dollar apiece. What is the sales tax rate in NYC?

Bottom line is you can't sell anything without charging a sales tax and you don't want to admit it.

That's funny, I just bought 10 cases of wine and didn't pay a cent of sales tax on it.

Good. Now take it all down to a street in NYC and sell them. Let me know how that turns out.

I still don't think you understand what I'm saying.

When I re-sell these bottles of wine, I'll have to collect sales tax on them, because I didn't pay it already.

So what are you going to do with the money you collect for sales tax?