Gang member shoots other gang member in defense

[Godboy]

Didn't know you were such a fan of gang members, with guns? Who knew.

I just think society is so lucky this gang member was able to defend himself.

No, this story would have been much better if he and his attackers all died, but one dead is better than none dead.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Didn't know you were such a fan of gang members, with guns? Who knew.

I just think society is so lucky this gang member was able to defend himself.

No, this story would have been much better if he and his attackers all died, but one dead is better than none dead.

How very Pro-Life of you. Just like ISIS.

 

[Godboy]

Didn't know you were such a fan of gang members, with guns? Who knew.

I just think society is so lucky this gang member was able to defend himself.

No, this story would have been much better if he and his attackers all died, but one dead is better than none dead.

How very Pro-Life of you. Just like ISIS.

Im actually pro choice. Do you get anything right?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Didn't know you were such a fan of gang members, with guns? Who knew.

I just think society is so lucky this gang member was able to defend himself.

No, this story would have been much better if he and his attackers all died, but one dead is better than none dead.

How very Pro-Life of you. Just like ISIS.

Im actually pro choice. Do you get anything right?

Based on your post, you are Pro-Dearh,

 

[Brain357]

Here is another good citizen with a self defense shooting:

DA tries to block retrial in deadly Nevada casino shooting

Gonzalez, who was living in San Francisco, said he was acting in self-defense, unaware of any alleged conspiracy. He said he fired because Pettigrew and another Hells Angel were kicking a fellow Vagos member so hard in the head he thought they would kill him.

 

[2aguy]

Here is another good citizen with a self defense shooting:

DA tries to block retrial in deadly Nevada casino shooting

Gonzalez, who was living in San Francisco, said he was acting in self-defense, unaware of any alleged conspiracy. He said he fired because Pettigrew and another Hells Angel were kicking a fellow Vagos member so hard in the head he thought they would kill him.

Yes…and none of them can legally own guns if they are felons….keep lying brain….I know you do it because you can't help yourself….but at least it is a new tactic in your anti gun campaign….

 

[Godboy]

Didn't know you were such a fan of gang members, with guns? Who knew.

I just think society is so lucky this gang member was able to defend himself.

No, this story would have been much better if he and his attackers all died, but one dead is better than none dead.

How very Pro-Life of you. Just like ISIS.

Im actually pro choice. Do you get anything right?

Based on your post, you are Pro-Dearh,

In many situations, i certainly am. Some deaths bring me great joy.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Do we need to ban gangs?

No, we just need to lock down our souther border & deport the scum left behind.

 

[westwall]

Here is an example of the kind of defense that are the majority of gun defenses. One gang member defending himself against other gang members.

Can you provide statistical evidence that most cases of guns being used in self defense are gang members shooting other gang members?

Most shootings are gang on gang. Why would you question those gang members often defend themselves? They are armed afterall.

Indeed. MOST SHOOTINGS ARE GANG ON GANG, why then, do you insist on disarming the 99.97% of the population who don't commit crimes? Sounds a little retarded if you ask me.

 

[Brain357]

Here is another good citizen with a self defense shooting:

DA tries to block retrial in deadly Nevada casino shooting

Gonzalez, who was living in San Francisco, said he was acting in self-defense, unaware of any alleged conspiracy. He said he fired because Pettigrew and another Hells Angel were kicking a fellow Vagos member so hard in the head he thought they would kill him.

Yes…and none of them can legally own guns if they are felons….keep lying brain….I know you do it because you can't help yourself….but at least it is a new tactic in your anti gun campaign….

Lying about what? If this guy was surveyed he would say he has had a dgu.

 

[Brain357]

Here is an example of the kind of defense that are the majority of gun defenses. One gang member defending himself against other gang members.

Can you provide statistical evidence that most cases of guns being used in self defense are gang members shooting other gang members?

Most shootings are gang on gang. Why would you question those gang members often defend themselves? They are armed afterall.

Indeed. MOST SHOOTINGS ARE GANG ON GANG, why then, do you insist on disarming the 99.97% of the population who don't commit crimes? Sounds a little retarded if you ask me.

You seem confused again. When did I do that?

 

[2aguy]

Here is another good citizen with a self defense shooting:

DA tries to block retrial in deadly Nevada casino shooting

Gonzalez, who was living in San Francisco, said he was acting in self-defense, unaware of any alleged conspiracy. He said he fired because Pettigrew and another Hells Angel were kicking a fellow Vagos member so hard in the head he thought they would kill him.

Yes…and none of them can legally own guns if they are felons….keep lying brain….I know you do it because you can't help yourself….but at least it is a new tactic in your anti gun campaign….

Lying about what? If this guy was surveyed he would say he has had a dgu.

Nope…he wouldn't have answered any call from an anonymous stranger on the phone to admit that as a felon he not only owned a gun illegally, he carried a gun illegally and then used the gun illegally….that would be about 3 new felonies right there………to some stranger on the phone who knows his address and now his crimes….

 

[Brain357]

Here is another good citizen with a self defense shooting:

DA tries to block retrial in deadly Nevada casino shooting

Gonzalez, who was living in San Francisco, said he was acting in self-defense, unaware of any alleged conspiracy. He said he fired because Pettigrew and another Hells Angel were kicking a fellow Vagos member so hard in the head he thought they would kill him.

Yes…and none of them can legally own guns if they are felons….keep lying brain….I know you do it because you can't help yourself….but at least it is a new tactic in your anti gun campaign….

Lying about what? If this guy was surveyed he would say he has had a dgu.

Nope…he wouldn't have answered any call from an anonymous stranger on the phone to admit that as a felon he not only owned a gun illegally, he carried a gun illegally and then used the gun illegally….that would be about 3 new felonies right there………to some stranger on the phone who knows his address and now his crimes….

You base that on what? A smart person wouldn't be in a gang either. But he is. No surveys I know weed out felons or gang members who are not yet felons.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Here is another good citizen with a self defense shooting:

DA tries to block retrial in deadly Nevada casino shooting

Gonzalez, who was living in San Francisco, said he was acting in self-defense, unaware of any alleged conspiracy. He said he fired because Pettigrew and another Hells Angel were kicking a fellow Vagos member so hard in the head he thought they would kill him.

You defend thugs with guns but support gun control being a retarded lib? You are a lying idiot. Stfu.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Of course the Brain Dead fails to realize that a gun can be used in self defense without being fired

 

[Brain357]

Of course the Brain Dead fails to realize that a gun can be used in self defense without being fired

You seem confused again. What does that have to do with this discussion?

 

[westwall]

Of course the Brain Dead fails to realize that a gun can be used in self defense without being fired

You seem confused again. What does that have to do with this discussion?

No, we're very consistent. It is you who appear to live in a constant state of confusion.

 

[Brain357]

Of course the Brain Dead fails to realize that a gun can be used in self defense without being fired

You seem confused again. What does that have to do with this discussion?

No, we're very consistent. It is you who appear to live in a constant state of confusion.

Then you explain how he makes sense in the conversation. That should be funny since you are typically lost. Confused seems to be your only consistancy.

 

[Correll]

Here is an example of the kind of defense that are the majority of gun defenses. One gang member defending himself against other gang members.
APD: 10 accused in beating that led to fatal self-defense shooting



ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — When a group of teenage boys and young adults who police say are in the Westside Locos gang decided to attack one of their own with baseball bats and muffler pipes last month, it didn’t end well.

Not only was one of them killed in the attack, but now many have been arrested and charged in the ambush.

The teen they attacked survived, but only because he shot and killed one of his assailants in self-defense, according to police.

Police have arrested six people — Ivan Veleta, 16, Eyzea Zamora, 16, Derek Muniz, 20, Ricardo Mones, 21, Juaquin Portillo, 21, and Kayleen Tatum, 21. And they have filed arrest warrants for four others — Jeremiah Abalos, 16, Jose Barron, 17, Raymond Prieto, 18, and Esmeralda Chavez, 21, none of whom had been arrested by Thursday evening.

Officers were called to a home near Sage and Snow Vista SW on Dec. 11 and found 20-year-old Joshua Garcia dead of a single gunshot wound to the chest. After interviewing witnesses, detectives learned that Garcia and up to 14 of his friends, all alleged Westside Loco gang members, had reportedly ambushed another gang member, 16-year-old Carl Mather, and bludgeoned him.

When detectives tracked down Mather, he had cuts all over his head and broken front teeth.

Mather told officers Garcia owed him money for heroin and he went to collect the debt at Garcia’s house on Dec. 11.

“A large group of boys began jumping over fences, running from the back yard and running up to the house from the street, attacking Carl,” a detective wrote in the complaint. “Carl stated he was trying to get to his gun to defend himself but the boys were on top of him, striking, hitting, kicking and beating him with metal pipes and bats.”

Mather fired once, and then started running.

“Carl stated he was in fear for his life because he thought he was going to be killed,” the detective wrote. “He was trying to wipe the blood from his face because he could not see out of his right eye.”

Everyone who has been arrested or is wanted in the incident is facing charges of aggravated battery with a weapon causing great bodily harm, robbery, kidnapping, attempt to commit a violent felony, assault with the intent to commit a violent felony and conspiracy, according to court records.

Carl might be a P.O.S. gang member and a heroin user and/or dealer, but being attacked at 15 to 1 odds with metal pipes and baseball bats, I agree he feared for his life and I am comfortable with his claim of self defense.


And you might be surprised at how supportive the NRA is of young Carl in this.

I agree with 2aguy that nothing in this article or thread demonstrates that this is the norm for self defense, though.

 

[2aguy]

Here is another good citizen with a self defense shooting:

DA tries to block retrial in deadly Nevada casino shooting

Gonzalez, who was living in San Francisco, said he was acting in self-defense, unaware of any alleged conspiracy. He said he fired because Pettigrew and another Hells Angel were kicking a fellow Vagos member so hard in the head he thought they would kill him.

Yes…and none of them can legally own guns if they are felons….keep lying brain….I know you do it because you can't help yourself….but at least it is a new tactic in your anti gun campaign….

Lying about what? If this guy was surveyed he would say he has had a dgu.

Nope…he wouldn't have answered any call from an anonymous stranger on the phone to admit that as a felon he not only owned a gun illegally, he carried a gun illegally and then used the gun illegally….that would be about 3 new felonies right there………to some stranger on the phone who knows his address and now his crimes….

You base that on what? A smart person wouldn't be in a gang either. But he is. No surveys I know weed out felons or gang members who are not yet felons.

Why wouldn't a smart person be in a gang……..? There are definite benefits to being in a criminal organization over not being in one, they have made a choice….and to run an operation like that takes brains….if they don't want to end up in jail.