Gary Johnson gains in the polls!

Since the libertarians have pretty much morphed into the pot-party it will be interesting to see if a libertarian 3rd party siphons votes from republicans or democrats.
 
He needs to be included in the debates.
 
Not sure if you have spent the last few years living under a rock... But have you heard of Trump? There is your revolution... and it ain't the socialist version.
 
He needs to be included in the debates.

I agree, but he makes both the Neocons and Communists very nervous. I mean, Ron Paul completely kicked Neocon ass in several debates. They're not gonna let that happen again. Neither Democrats or Republicans are gonna take that risk.
 
It's been sixteen years since I've voted for a Libertarian, but I'm sure as hell not going to vote for Trump or Clinton.
 
It's been sixteen years since I've voted for a Libertarian, but I'm sure as hell not going to vote for Trump or Clinton.
I don't think "Party of the Protest Vote" is what they had in mind but that seems to be all they've ever been able to accomplish. Maybe if they abandoned the ridiculous position of open borders and the naive notion that prosperity will make peaceful people out of terrorists they could start winning elections.
 
Maybe if they abandoned the ridiculous position of open borders and the naive notion that prosperity will make peaceful people out of terrorists they could start winning elections.

Abandoning your moral principles to get elected is how we ended up with the Democrats and the Republicans.

If they started talking about closed borders and war-mongering, they really would be just Republicans who like smoking weed.
 
Maybe if they abandoned the ridiculous position of open borders and the naive notion that prosperity will make peaceful people out of terrorists they could start winning elections.

Abandoning your moral principles to get elected is how we ended up with the Democrats and the Republicans.

If they started talking about closed borders and war-mongering, they really would be just Republicans who like smoking weed.
If they're stupid enough to believe those things, then I hope they continue to lose.
 
Maybe if they abandoned the ridiculous position of open borders and the naive notion that prosperity will make peaceful people out of terrorists they could start winning elections.

Abandoning your moral principles to get elected is how we ended up with the Democrats and the Republicans.

If they started talking about closed borders and war-mongering, they really would be just Republicans who like smoking weed.
If they're stupid enough to believe those things, then I hope they continue to lose.

And that's your prerogative. I am not a fan of the Libertarian Party and I left it under a cloud of hostility, but it's still a clearly superior alternative to the candidates that the two major parties are offering us. Most Pirates of my acquaintance are talking about voting for Jill Stein, but I simply cannot stand her anti-gun beliefs; I was only willing to vote for Sanders while he was relatively moderate on the issue.

As far as the "naive notion" that prosperity will make peaceful people out of terrorists, what do you think our policy of bombing the shit out of innocent people in the Middle East does? Perhaps we would be better off if we made the effort to help countries with terrorist movements become more prosperous; it can't work out any worse than fifteen years of pointless war have.
 

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