Gas prices: Biden's or Trump's

[Faun]

Which is fine for oil that is ours.

Doesn't matter if it is ours. Regardless of who's oil it is, pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks.

Yes, it matters. If it's foreign oil we are transporting across the U.S. to be exported, there is no benefit for the U.S., so why do it?

This doesn't make trains and trucks greener or safer than pipelines.

I never said it does. In case you missed it, in regards to transporting oil which is of little or no benefit for the U.S., I posit we should use neither. Both are risks to the environment and we shouldn't be assuming that risk. Especially with tar sands oil which is even more catastrophic for the environment. If Canada wants to refine their tar sands oil, let them build the refineries to do so in Canada.

Post 119. You argued against my statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Every one of your posts after that had the same strawman argument against the same statement.

Again, pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Regardless of which country owns the oil, pipelines are still greener than trains and trucks.

No, I didn't argue against your statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. My reply was, "which is fine for oil that is ours."

How does ownership of the oil effect which method of transportation is safer or greener?

It doesn't and I never said it does.

Again... reading is fundamental.

Which of the three statements that you quoted of me in post 119 were you debating?

"Pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks."

To which I replied, "which is fine for oil that is ours. We shouldn't be risking our environment, by train or by pipeline, for another country's oil."

Are you still confused?

Your reply does not match what you are relying to. You are presenting a new argument in order to evade what you quoted. Strawman.

So you were wrong in your claims about what he said.

Ohhh

He still doesn't understand.

 

[EvMetro]

Which is fine for oil that is ours.

Doesn't matter if it is ours. Regardless of who's oil it is, pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks.

Yes, it matters. If it's foreign oil we are transporting across the U.S. to be exported, there is no benefit for the U.S., so why do it?

This doesn't make trains and trucks greener or safer than pipelines.

I never said it does. In case you missed it, in regards to transporting oil which is of little or no benefit for the U.S., I posit we should use neither. Both are risks to the environment and we shouldn't be assuming that risk. Especially with tar sands oil which is even more catastrophic for the environment. If Canada wants to refine their tar sands oil, let them build the refineries to do so in Canada.

Post 119. You argued against my statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Every one of your posts after that had the same strawman argument against the same statement.

Again, pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Regardless of which country owns the oil, pipelines are still greener than trains and trucks.

No, I didn't argue against your statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. My reply was, "which is fine for oil that is ours."

How does ownership of the oil effect which method of transportation is safer or greener?

It doesn't and I never said it does.

Again... reading is fundamental.

Which of the three statements that you quoted of me in post 119 were you debating?

"Pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks."

To which I replied, "which is fine for oil that is ours. We shouldn't be risking our environment, by train or by pipeline, for another country's oil."

Are you still confused?

Your reply does not match what you are relying to. You are presenting a new argument in order to evade what you quoted. Strawman.

You pointed out it's safer to transport oil by pipelines. I agreed with that. And I stated I oppose even that for foreign oil just so it can be exported.

Either it is safer to transport in pipelines, or it is not. You can't have it both ways. Foreign oil is strawman.

 

[Faun]

Which is fine for oil that is ours.

Doesn't matter if it is ours. Regardless of who's oil it is, pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks.

Yes, it matters. If it's foreign oil we are transporting across the U.S. to be exported, there is no benefit for the U.S., so why do it?

This doesn't make trains and trucks greener or safer than pipelines.

I never said it does. In case you missed it, in regards to transporting oil which is of little or no benefit for the U.S., I posit we should use neither. Both are risks to the environment and we shouldn't be assuming that risk. Especially with tar sands oil which is even more catastrophic for the environment. If Canada wants to refine their tar sands oil, let them build the refineries to do so in Canada.

Post 119. You argued against my statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Every one of your posts after that had the same strawman argument against the same statement.

Again, pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Regardless of which country owns the oil, pipelines are still greener than trains and trucks.

No, I didn't argue against your statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. My reply was, "which is fine for oil that is ours."

How does ownership of the oil effect which method of transportation is safer or greener?

It doesn't and I never said it does.

Again... reading is fundamental.

Which of the three statements that you quoted of me in post 119 were you debating?

"Pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks."

To which I replied, "which is fine for oil that is ours. We shouldn't be risking our environment, by train or by pipeline, for another country's oil."

Are you still confused?

Your reply does not match what you are relying to. You are presenting a new argument in order to evade what you quoted. Strawman.

You pointed out it's safer to transport oil by pipelines. I agreed with that. And I stated I oppose even that for foreign oil just so it can be exported.

Either it is safer to transport in pipelines, or it is not. You can't have it both ways. Foreign oil is strawman.

You're utterly confused about what I said. I can't help you more than I already tried.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Gas prices: Biden's or Trump's​

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OPEC's.

Sorry for your luck.

They had competition for four years and it resulted in lower prices. Not all that surprising but when bidumb canceled pipelines and oils leases suddenly OPEC runs the show again. Are you too stupid to see that correlation?

 

[EvMetro]

Which is fine for oil that is ours.

Doesn't matter if it is ours. Regardless of who's oil it is, pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks.

Yes, it matters. If it's foreign oil we are transporting across the U.S. to be exported, there is no benefit for the U.S., so why do it?

This doesn't make trains and trucks greener or safer than pipelines.

I never said it does. In case you missed it, in regards to transporting oil which is of little or no benefit for the U.S., I posit we should use neither. Both are risks to the environment and we shouldn't be assuming that risk. Especially with tar sands oil which is even more catastrophic for the environment. If Canada wants to refine their tar sands oil, let them build the refineries to do so in Canada.

Post 119. You argued against my statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Every one of your posts after that had the same strawman argument against the same statement.

Again, pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Regardless of which country owns the oil, pipelines are still greener than trains and trucks.

No, I didn't argue against your statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. My reply was, "which is fine for oil that is ours."

How does ownership of the oil effect which method of transportation is safer or greener?

It doesn't and I never said it does.

Again... reading is fundamental.

Which of the three statements that you quoted of me in post 119 were you debating?

"Pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks."

To which I replied, "which is fine for oil that is ours. We shouldn't be risking our environment, by train or by pipeline, for another country's oil."

Are you still confused?

Your reply does not match what you are relying to. You are presenting a new argument in order to evade what you quoted. Strawman.

You pointed out it's safer to transport oil by pipelines. I agreed with that. And I stated I oppose even that for foreign oil just so it can be exported.

Either it is safer to transport in pipelines, or it is not. You can't have it both ways. Foreign oil is strawman.

You're utterly confused about what I said. I can't help you more than I already tried.

Pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks.

 

[Faun]

Which is fine for oil that is ours.

Doesn't matter if it is ours. Regardless of who's oil it is, pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks.

Yes, it matters. If it's foreign oil we are transporting across the U.S. to be exported, there is no benefit for the U.S., so why do it?

This doesn't make trains and trucks greener or safer than pipelines.

I never said it does. In case you missed it, in regards to transporting oil which is of little or no benefit for the U.S., I posit we should use neither. Both are risks to the environment and we shouldn't be assuming that risk. Especially with tar sands oil which is even more catastrophic for the environment. If Canada wants to refine their tar sands oil, let them build the refineries to do so in Canada.

Post 119. You argued against my statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Every one of your posts after that had the same strawman argument against the same statement.

Again, pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. Regardless of which country owns the oil, pipelines are still greener than trains and trucks.

No, I didn't argue against your statement that pipelines are greener than trains and trucks. My reply was, "which is fine for oil that is ours."

How does ownership of the oil effect which method of transportation is safer or greener?

It doesn't and I never said it does.

Again... reading is fundamental.

Which of the three statements that you quoted of me in post 119 were you debating?

"Pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks."

To which I replied, "which is fine for oil that is ours. We shouldn't be risking our environment, by train or by pipeline, for another country's oil."

Are you still confused?

Your reply does not match what you are relying to. You are presenting a new argument in order to evade what you quoted. Strawman.

You pointed out it's safer to transport oil by pipelines. I agreed with that. And I stated I oppose even that for foreign oil just so it can be exported.

Either it is safer to transport in pipelines, or it is not. You can't have it both ways. Foreign oil is strawman.

You're utterly confused about what I said. I can't help you more than I already tried.

Pipelines are safer and greener than trains and trucks.

So?

 

[Crepitus]

They had competition for four years

A. Not really. PPB is set on the international market.

B. When the PPB was high, fracking was profitable, and supply exceeded demand. When the notice dropped it wasn't profitable anymore and they stopped producing, cutting supply, which should have driven the price up. The along comes the pandemic and demand dropped to extreme lows. At one point I read that heavy crude was priced in the negatives. The oil producers produced even less, again reducing supply. Now demand is increasing faster than they can ramp production up.

 

[EvMetro]

Just checking to see how well this thread has aged...

 

[EvMetro]

Here is the opening post:

"Which gas prices do you like more, the prices under Beijing Biden, or the prices under Trump? If you are a lefty and you post something besides Beijing Biden or Trump, I'll count that as you liked the prices under Trump."

 

[surada]

Here is the opening post:

"Which gas prices do you like more, the prices under Beijing Biden, or the prices under Trump? If you are a lefty and you post something besides Beijing Biden or Trump, I'll count that as you liked the prices under Trump."

There was NO demand worldwide in 2020. Of course the price of gas went down.

 

[bripat9643]

OPEC's.

Sorry for your luck.

Why wasn't OPEC able to control prices during the Trump administration?

 

[surada]

Either it is safer to transport in pipelines, or it is not. You can't have it both ways. Foreign oil is strawman.

TransCanada has a poor safety record and Keystone XL only benefitted the Chinese.

We have always imported foreign.. still do.. These days it comes from Mexico, Canada and Russia since Trump slapped sanctions on Venezuela. You should have known this in 2011.

 

[citygator]

There was NO demand worldwide in 2020. Of course the price of gas went down.

Exactly. Let’s shut down the economy and have half a million virus deaths so we can have low demand energy. They are insane.

 

[surada]

Why wasn't OPEC able to control prices during the Trump administration?

We buy very little from OPEC and their prices are always less than Domestic crude or Brent.

 

[EvMetro]

There was NO demand worldwide in 2020. Of course the price of gas went down.

Which prices, as specified in the opening post, do you like better?

 

[surada]

Exactly. Let’s shut down the economy and have half a million virus deaths so we can have low demand energy. They are insane.

Gasoline is still a bargain.. It hasn't kept up with housing, healthcare, education, automobiles or groceries.

 

[EvMetro]

TransCanada has a poor safety record and Keystone XL only benefitted the Chinese.

We have always imported foreign.. still do.. These days it comes from Mexico, Canada and Russia since Trump slapped sanctions on Venezuela. You should have known this in 2011.

I see you are responding to the last sentence of my opening post.

 

[surada]

Which prices, as specified in the opening post, do you like better?

Neither Trump nor Biden control the ppb.. To control it, you'd have to nationalize the US oil business... Do you want socialism? Your question is for stupid people.

 

[bripat9643]

We buy very little from OPEC and their prices are always less than Domestic crude or Brent.

Crepitus just blamed OPEC for our current high prices. Can OPEC control prices or not? If not, then what is responsible for our high prices currently?

 

[surada]

Crepitus just blamed OPEC for our current high prices. Can OPEC control prices or not? If not, then what is responsible for our high prices currently?

OPEC prices are always cheaper than US oil or Brent. Demand is back. That is the reason the ppb is high.

When the ppb is too low US producers are in trouble because we have the highest lift cost in the world.

Blaming OPEC is myopic.