GDP grows to 2.6% in second quarter of Trump

[eagle1462010]

It is not credible that you did not note that he is regular user of hyperbole.

Hyperbole is bragging. I'm the best, I will do better than Obama, I will make America Great Again

Saying the economy is going to grow at 4% if you are elected, that Mexico will pay for the wall, that jobs will return from China is not hyperbole. Those are specific, measurable promises that you will be measured against. If he had no intention of meeting those claims then that is a lie....not hyperbole

Standard lib tactic.


LIe about what a word means, then attack your enemy based on your made up bullshit.


THis is the actual definition of hyperbole.


hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē/
noun

1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
   synonyms: exaggeration, overstatement, magnification, embroidery, embellishment, excess, overkill, rhetoric;

Thus, as we see, your claim that hyperbole has to be personal bragging is revealed to be a lie.


MY point, that his overblown promises, were hyperbole, is shown to be keeping in line with the REAL ACTUAL DEFINITION OF THE WORD.


Also, as you lied about the word, and I did not, my credibility is bolstered while your is undercut, by your own actions.


My point stands.


Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

Trump drew his own line on what he will be evaluated against

If Obama having 2.6 percent GDP is a disaster, then 2.6 percent is a disaster for Trump
If he promises 4 percent growth, then 4 percent is what he gets measured against
If he said he would make Mexico pay for the wall, then he gets evaluated on whether he did it

If Trump made claims he can't deliver, then it is his fault for saying it.....not our fault for holding him to it

And if FROGS HAD WINGS they wouldn't bump their butts when they jumped.

If the percentage had been HIGHER TODAY...........You would be saying this was OBAMA DOING IT...........If it's BAD.........then it's TRUMP DOING IT.

Only LONG TERM INCREASES or DECREASES will eventually matter and ONLY AFTER implementation of new policy.

The economic benefits of new laws and policies will NOT BE FELT IMMEDIATELY........they never do................

Down the road will be the real results of new policy.......Not specifically today.

If Trump delivered four percent growth like he promised, I would be applauding
Since he is delivering less than half of what he promised, I have to call him on it

And what timeline was that promise..................

 

[Correll]

It is not credible that you did not note that he is regular user of hyperbole.

Hyperbole is bragging. I'm the best, I will do better than Obama, I will make America Great Again

Saying the economy is going to grow at 4% if you are elected, that Mexico will pay for the wall, that jobs will return from China is not hyperbole. Those are specific, measurable promises that you will be measured against. If he had no intention of meeting those claims then that is a lie....not hyperbole

Standard lib tactic.


LIe about what a word means, then attack your enemy based on your made up bullshit.


THis is the actual definition of hyperbole.


hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē/
noun

1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
   synonyms: exaggeration, overstatement, magnification, embroidery, embellishment, excess, overkill, rhetoric;

Thus, as we see, your claim that hyperbole has to be personal bragging is revealed to be a lie.


MY point, that his overblown promises, were hyperbole, is shown to be keeping in line with the REAL ACTUAL DEFINITION OF THE WORD.


Also, as you lied about the word, and I did not, my credibility is bolstered while your is undercut, by your own actions.


My point stands.


Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

Trump drew his own line on what he will be evaluated against

If Obama having 2.6 percent GDP is a disaster, then 2.6 percent is a disaster for Trump
If he promises 4 percent growth, then 4 percent is what he gets measured against
If he said he would make Mexico pay for the wall, then he gets evaluated on whether he did it

If Trump made claims he can't deliver, then it is his fault for saying it.....not our fault for holding him to it

I've addressed all of that already and caught you lying.

Now you just ignored our entire discussion to repeat your initial position.

THat is the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Repetition used as propaganda.

You have implicitly admitted that you know that you cannot defend your position honestly.


THus, you lose, and your post is invalid.


My point stands as the final word, unless you choose to stop playing with logical fallacies and engage in real dialog.


Here is the final point, where the discussion broke down.


Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

Trump set the standards he would be evaluated against
Your excuse that since he is a known liar, we shouldn't take him seriously is a non starter

Obama was evaluated against his promises....as will Trump

And you just lied again.

You have flushed your credibility down the drain.



Here is the final point, where the discussion broke down.


Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

http://nypost.com/2017/04/01/obama-was-terrible-for-economic-growth/

You`re posting an opinion piece from a right wing rag for what reason? That`s the paper that Archie Bunker got his "facts" from.

What I posted had information (data) in it.

Does that help ?

Now run along.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Did you take him seriously when he called 2.6% a disaster?

Did you believe him when he promised 4% growth

Is there anything he does not lie about?

I asked you a serious question. It is a serious answer to your question, if you would just answer it.



DId you take him seriously when he called 2.6 % a disaster?

Absolutely

Why would he lie to the American people?

You just lied.


It is not credible that you did not note that he is regular user of hyperbole.



That you felt a need to lie, shows that you know that you are in the wrong. Yet you actively choose to be wrong, and to argue for positions that you do not believe in.





Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

You can't give him a pass just because he's a loud New Yorker. If he doesn't achieve 4% growth, then he hasn't achieved what he said he would. You can't lower the bar for him just because he's Trump. Would you have lowered it if Clinton was elected and said the same thing?

You've got to give him time. It's far too early to pass judgment since he hasn't passed any laws that matter yet. But given the current structure of the economy and Trump's inexperience at governing, I'd be extremely surprised if we achieved consistent 4% growth any time soon.

You are so on the mark.

Trump is a salesman.

And I don't know why people defend him.

I voted for him and I'd do it again.

Not for 4%...never believed that or most of the other crap he spouted.

I only wanted Neil Gorsuch on the SCOTUS.

May Ruth Bader Ginsburg complete her passing soon and the SCOTUS will be in good hands.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The economy takes care of itself.

The best thing a president can do is get out of the way.

Obama presided over one of the slowest recoveries in history.

Yet, Trump is doing worse

Uh...no he's not.

1.9% GDP = Disaster

Yeah....I hear everyone talking about how the economy is in such crappy shape.....

Oh wait...that was four years ago.

 

[Toro]

Did you believe him when he promised 4% growth

Is there anything he does not lie about?

I asked you a serious question. It is a serious answer to your question, if you would just answer it.



DId you take him seriously when he called 2.6 % a disaster?

Absolutely

Why would he lie to the American people?

You just lied.


It is not credible that you did not note that he is regular user of hyperbole.



That you felt a need to lie, shows that you know that you are in the wrong. Yet you actively choose to be wrong, and to argue for positions that you do not believe in.





Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

You can't give him a pass just because he's a loud New Yorker. If he doesn't achieve 4% growth, then he hasn't achieved what he said he would. You can't lower the bar for him just because he's Trump. Would you have lowered it if Clinton was elected and said the same thing?

You've got to give him time. It's far too early to pass judgment since he hasn't passed any laws that matter yet. But given the current structure of the economy and Trump's inexperience at governing, I'd be extremely surprised if we achieved consistent 4% growth any time soon.

I'm not giving him a pass, I'm planning on judging him based on his performance.


If he leaves office, with growth at 3.5% and exports surging and working class and middle class wages rising due to increase manufacturing and decreased immigration, and crime falling,



I'll take that as a win.


And I would have judged Hillary the same, (if increased immigration led to rising wages somehow) if she achieved similar results.

I'd take that as a win too.

But not if growth is 2.5%.

Then he gets no pass.

 

[rightwinger]

Hyperbole is bragging. I'm the best, I will do better than Obama, I will make America Great Again

Saying the economy is going to grow at 4% if you are elected, that Mexico will pay for the wall, that jobs will return from China is not hyperbole. Those are specific, measurable promises that you will be measured against. If he had no intention of meeting those claims then that is a lie....not hyperbole

Standard lib tactic.


LIe about what a word means, then attack your enemy based on your made up bullshit.


THis is the actual definition of hyperbole.


hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē/
noun

1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
   synonyms: exaggeration, overstatement, magnification, embroidery, embellishment, excess, overkill, rhetoric;

Thus, as we see, your claim that hyperbole has to be personal bragging is revealed to be a lie.


MY point, that his overblown promises, were hyperbole, is shown to be keeping in line with the REAL ACTUAL DEFINITION OF THE WORD.


Also, as you lied about the word, and I did not, my credibility is bolstered while your is undercut, by your own actions.


My point stands.


Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

Trump drew his own line on what he will be evaluated against

If Obama having 2.6 percent GDP is a disaster, then 2.6 percent is a disaster for Trump
If he promises 4 percent growth, then 4 percent is what he gets measured against
If he said he would make Mexico pay for the wall, then he gets evaluated on whether he did it

If Trump made claims he can't deliver, then it is his fault for saying it.....not our fault for holding him to it

And if FROGS HAD WINGS they wouldn't bump their butts when they jumped.

If the percentage had been HIGHER TODAY...........You would be saying this was OBAMA DOING IT...........If it's BAD.........then it's TRUMP DOING IT.

Only LONG TERM INCREASES or DECREASES will eventually matter and ONLY AFTER implementation of new policy.

The economic benefits of new laws and policies will NOT BE FELT IMMEDIATELY........they never do................

Down the road will be the real results of new policy.......Not specifically today.

If Trump delivered four percent growth like he promised, I would be applauding
Since he is delivering less than half of what he promised, I have to call him on it

I don't believe. YOu would manufacture some excuse to attack him.


Lefties like you didn't applaud Reagan when his policies led to the first treaty eliminating a whole class of nuclear weapons, or when the commies lost an election in Nicaragua, or when the soviet union fell.

I voted for Reagan......TWICE

If Trump delivers on the 4 percent he promised, I will applaud him
If he delivers the same growth as Obama, I will mock him

 

[JQPublic1]

The economy takes care of itself.

The best thing a president can do is get out of the way.

Obama presided over one of the slowest recoveries in history.

But there was a recovery despite the GOPs best efforts to make him fail.

 

[Correll]

I asked you a serious question. It is a serious answer to your question, if you would just answer it.



DId you take him seriously when he called 2.6 % a disaster?

Absolutely

Why would he lie to the American people?

You just lied.


It is not credible that you did not note that he is regular user of hyperbole.



That you felt a need to lie, shows that you know that you are in the wrong. Yet you actively choose to be wrong, and to argue for positions that you do not believe in.





Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

You can't give him a pass just because he's a loud New Yorker. If he doesn't achieve 4% growth, then he hasn't achieved what he said he would. You can't lower the bar for him just because he's Trump. Would you have lowered it if Clinton was elected and said the same thing?

You've got to give him time. It's far too early to pass judgment since he hasn't passed any laws that matter yet. But given the current structure of the economy and Trump's inexperience at governing, I'd be extremely surprised if we achieved consistent 4% growth any time soon.

I'm not giving him a pass, I'm planning on judging him based on his performance.


If he leaves office, with growth at 3.5% and exports surging and working class and middle class wages rising due to increase manufacturing and decreased immigration, and crime falling,



I'll take that as a win.


And I would have judged Hillary the same, (if increased immigration led to rising wages somehow) if she achieved similar results.

I'd take that as a win too.


But not if growth is 2.5%.

Then he gets no pass.

Agreed.

 

[rightwinger]

The economy takes care of itself.

The best thing a president can do is get out of the way.

Obama presided over one of the slowest recoveries in history.

Yet, Trump is doing worse

Uh...no he's not.

1.9% GDP = Disaster

Yeah....I hear everyone talking about how the economy is in such crappy shape.....

Oh wait...that was four years ago.

Four years ago, the economy was in pretty good shape. Obama had already saved us from the Great Bush Recession of 2008

 

[Correll]

Standard lib tactic.


LIe about what a word means, then attack your enemy based on your made up bullshit.


THis is the actual definition of hyperbole.


hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē/
noun

1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
   synonyms: exaggeration, overstatement, magnification, embroidery, embellishment, excess, overkill, rhetoric;

Thus, as we see, your claim that hyperbole has to be personal bragging is revealed to be a lie.


MY point, that his overblown promises, were hyperbole, is shown to be keeping in line with the REAL ACTUAL DEFINITION OF THE WORD.


Also, as you lied about the word, and I did not, my credibility is bolstered while your is undercut, by your own actions.


My point stands.


Trump's comments on 2.6% and 4% was a hyperbolic statement of intent to be more aggressive in economic policy, aiming for higher rates of growth.


This is the standard to hold him to, if he makes a good faith effort to do that, and what results he gets.


DO you think that judging him on those standards will work for you?

Because you are acting like you don't believe that.

Trump drew his own line on what he will be evaluated against

If Obama having 2.6 percent GDP is a disaster, then 2.6 percent is a disaster for Trump
If he promises 4 percent growth, then 4 percent is what he gets measured against
If he said he would make Mexico pay for the wall, then he gets evaluated on whether he did it

If Trump made claims he can't deliver, then it is his fault for saying it.....not our fault for holding him to it

And if FROGS HAD WINGS they wouldn't bump their butts when they jumped.

If the percentage had been HIGHER TODAY...........You would be saying this was OBAMA DOING IT...........If it's BAD.........then it's TRUMP DOING IT.

Only LONG TERM INCREASES or DECREASES will eventually matter and ONLY AFTER implementation of new policy.

The economic benefits of new laws and policies will NOT BE FELT IMMEDIATELY........they never do................

Down the road will be the real results of new policy.......Not specifically today.

If Trump delivered four percent growth like he promised, I would be applauding
Since he is delivering less than half of what he promised, I have to call him on it

I don't believe. YOu would manufacture some excuse to attack him.


Lefties like you didn't applaud Reagan when his policies led to the first treaty eliminating a whole class of nuclear weapons, or when the commies lost an election in Nicaragua, or when the soviet union fell.

I voted for Reagan......TWICE

If Trump delivers on the 4 percent he promised, I will applaud him
If he delivers the same growth as Obama, I will mock him

You are not the same person you were then.


Hell, I've seen you become more partisan, and dishonest and bitter and hateful just in the last two years.

If you don't like that, take steps to address it.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump drew his own line on what he will be evaluated against

If Obama having 2.6 percent GDP is a disaster, then 2.6 percent is a disaster for Trump
If he promises 4 percent growth, then 4 percent is what he gets measured against
If he said he would make Mexico pay for the wall, then he gets evaluated on whether he did it

If Trump made claims he can't deliver, then it is his fault for saying it.....not our fault for holding him to it

And if FROGS HAD WINGS they wouldn't bump their butts when they jumped.

If the percentage had been HIGHER TODAY...........You would be saying this was OBAMA DOING IT...........If it's BAD.........then it's TRUMP DOING IT.

Only LONG TERM INCREASES or DECREASES will eventually matter and ONLY AFTER implementation of new policy.

The economic benefits of new laws and policies will NOT BE FELT IMMEDIATELY........they never do................

Down the road will be the real results of new policy.......Not specifically today.

If Trump delivered four percent growth like he promised, I would be applauding
Since he is delivering less than half of what he promised, I have to call him on it

I don't believe. YOu would manufacture some excuse to attack him.


Lefties like you didn't applaud Reagan when his policies led to the first treaty eliminating a whole class of nuclear weapons, or when the commies lost an election in Nicaragua, or when the soviet union fell.

I voted for Reagan......TWICE

If Trump delivers on the 4 percent he promised, I will applaud him
If he delivers the same growth as Obama, I will mock him

You are not the same person you were then.


Hell, I've seen you become more partisan, and dishonest and bitter and hateful just in the last two years.

If you don't like that, take steps to address it.

I was gullible in my youth. I believed in Jack Kemp, supply side, trickle down, tax cuts pay for themselves

It was much later that I learned Bush was right......voodoo economics

 

[Yarddog]

After a lackluster 1.2% in the first quarter of 2017. GDP returned to Obama-like numbers of 2.6% in the second quarter

Still, far below the 4% growth that Trump promised

U.S. economy accelerated during first full Trump quarter




x

In spite of the DNC and the news medias best efforts to destroy Trump and derail his Administration, yeah no wonder the numbers would be a tick lower

 

[rightwinger]

After a lackluster 1.2% in the first quarter of 2017. GDP returned to Obama-like numbers of 2.6% in the second quarter

Still, far below the 4% growth that Trump promised

U.S. economy accelerated during first full Trump quarter




x

In spite of the DNC and the news medias best efforts to destroy Trump and derail his Administration, yeah no wonder the numbers would be a tick lower

Trump promised 4 percent growth and has delivered 1.9 percent

How is that the medias fault?

 

[Correll]

And if FROGS HAD WINGS they wouldn't bump their butts when they jumped.

If the percentage had been HIGHER TODAY...........You would be saying this was OBAMA DOING IT...........If it's BAD.........then it's TRUMP DOING IT.

Only LONG TERM INCREASES or DECREASES will eventually matter and ONLY AFTER implementation of new policy.

The economic benefits of new laws and policies will NOT BE FELT IMMEDIATELY........they never do................

Down the road will be the real results of new policy.......Not specifically today.

If Trump delivered four percent growth like he promised, I would be applauding
Since he is delivering less than half of what he promised, I have to call him on it

I don't believe. YOu would manufacture some excuse to attack him.


Lefties like you didn't applaud Reagan when his policies led to the first treaty eliminating a whole class of nuclear weapons, or when the commies lost an election in Nicaragua, or when the soviet union fell.

I voted for Reagan......TWICE

If Trump delivers on the 4 percent he promised, I will applaud him
If he delivers the same growth as Obama, I will mock him

You are not the same person you were then.


Hell, I've seen you become more partisan, and dishonest and bitter and hateful just in the last two years.

If you don't like that, take steps to address it.

I was gullible in my youth. I believed in Jack Kemp, supply side, trickle down, tax cuts pay for themselves

It was much later that I learned Bush was right......voodoo economics

So, that challenges my claim that you lefties would invent an excuse to NOT give Trump credit for any success, how?

 

[Correll]

After a lackluster 1.2% in the first quarter of 2017. GDP returned to Obama-like numbers of 2.6% in the second quarter

Still, far below the 4% growth that Trump promised

U.S. economy accelerated during first full Trump quarter




x

In spite of the DNC and the news medias best efforts to destroy Trump and derail his Administration, yeah no wonder the numbers would be a tick lower

Trump promised 4 percent growth and has delivered 1.9 percent

How is that the median fault?

It is not credible that you have never heard of "Talking the economy down".

Thus, you have lied again.

Your have undermined your own credibility again.

 

[rightwinger]

If Trump delivered four percent growth like he promised, I would be applauding
Since he is delivering less than half of what he promised, I have to call him on it

I don't believe. YOu would manufacture some excuse to attack him.


Lefties like you didn't applaud Reagan when his policies led to the first treaty eliminating a whole class of nuclear weapons, or when the commies lost an election in Nicaragua, or when the soviet union fell.

I voted for Reagan......TWICE

If Trump delivers on the 4 percent he promised, I will applaud him
If he delivers the same growth as Obama, I will mock him

You are not the same person you were then.


Hell, I've seen you become more partisan, and dishonest and bitter and hateful just in the last two years.

If you don't like that, take steps to address it.

I was gullible in my youth. I believed in Jack Kemp, supply side, trickle down, tax cuts pay for themselves

It was much later that I learned Bush was right......voodoo economics

So, that challenges my claim that you lefties would invent an excuse to NOT give Trump credit for any success, how?

What does that have to do with supply side policies?

 

[rightwinger]

After a lackluster 1.2% in the first quarter of 2017. GDP returned to Obama-like numbers of 2.6% in the second quarter

Still, far below the 4% growth that Trump promised

U.S. economy accelerated during first full Trump quarter




x

In spite of the DNC and the news medias best efforts to destroy Trump and derail his Administration, yeah no wonder the numbers would be a tick lower

Trump promised 4 percent growth and has delivered 1.9 percent

How is that the median fault?

It is not credible that you have never heard of "Talking the economy down".

Thus, you have lied again.

Your have undermined your own credibility again.

The disasterous Trump economy is what it is. 1.9 percent is miserable
Especially when compared to the economy of a community organizer

 

[Correll]

I don't believe. YOu would manufacture some excuse to attack him.


Lefties like you didn't applaud Reagan when his policies led to the first treaty eliminating a whole class of nuclear weapons, or when the commies lost an election in Nicaragua, or when the soviet union fell.

I voted for Reagan......TWICE

If Trump delivers on the 4 percent he promised, I will applaud him
If he delivers the same growth as Obama, I will mock him

You are not the same person you were then.


Hell, I've seen you become more partisan, and dishonest and bitter and hateful just in the last two years.

If you don't like that, take steps to address it.

I was gullible in my youth. I believed in Jack Kemp, supply side, trickle down, tax cuts pay for themselves

It was much later that I learned Bush was right......voodoo economics

So, that challenges my claim that you lefties would invent an excuse to NOT give Trump credit for any success, how?

What does that have to do with supply side policies?

You're really desperate to avoid discussion your devolution into the bitter hateful lefty you are now, that is never going to give Trump credit for ANYTHING, no matter what happens.

 

[Correll]

After a lackluster 1.2% in the first quarter of 2017. GDP returned to Obama-like numbers of 2.6% in the second quarter

Still, far below the 4% growth that Trump promised

U.S. economy accelerated during first full Trump quarter




x

In spite of the DNC and the news medias best efforts to destroy Trump and derail his Administration, yeah no wonder the numbers would be a tick lower

Trump promised 4 percent growth and has delivered 1.9 percent

How is that the median fault?

It is not credible that you have never heard of "Talking the economy down".

Thus, you have lied again.

Your have undermined your own credibility again.

The disasterous Trump economy is what it is. 1.9 percent is miserable
Especially when compared to the economy of a community organizer

You just refused to address my point, and repeated your initial position.

Once again, that is the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion, used a propaganda.


You are a dishonest propagandist.

You know damn well what Yarddog meant, and you were just lying.


DO you like having zero credibility?