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Exactly. Many schools did this over 20 years ago and switched from multiple entrances open instead of having one or two entrances open, with all other doors locked preventing outside entry during the day. A minor inconvenience for staff having to walk farther from the parking lot to the entrance, and buses timed to stagger drop offs to avoid congested entrance/exit. I am convinced that this monitored tactic reduces crimes of opportunity as well.Maybe it's time to lock down schools and have one entrance and exit with metal detectors. Apparently our society is not capable anymore of teaching our children morals and values. Very sad.
Two different scenarios.Yes, that would help.... Might not stop the gun battle that would ensue at any given point immediately, but it could limit the number of deaths "hopefully", just encase an event takes place.
Wow, the teacher character make up might also need to change, because I can't see some teacher's being the type that would be packing a weapon, and then having the student's aware of that, otherwise for the much needed psychological intimidation purposes in order to be pro-active/preventive if an before an event takes place. Otherwise the student's would need to fear a teacher in order not to see the situation as a challenge if realize the teacher is packing heat.
Concealed, otherwise not knowing the teacher is packing heat would be ok, but the situation would call for total compliance from all teacher's in order to stop an active shooter wherever he might raise his sick mentally disturbed head. Not sure what the poll would read on the idea, otherwise if taken within the school to see what teacher's would be willing to help.
Do you really believe this?...Otherwise the student's would need to fear a teacher in order not to see the situation as a challenge if realize the teacher is packing heat.
That is a really, really, mysterious piece by Fox news. So, they rule out bullying, and say there is another person of interest. . . but they don't give us any other motive? wtf?Of course not.
According to the sheriff no evidence of bullying. I would guess adults are the last to know about bullying. The kids know.
Sheriff says so far no evidence accused Oxford shooter was bullied
I agree, the school should have searched his backpack, they are as culpable as the parents.Seems fair to me, if some of you think the parents were negligent, so was the school. They KNEW he was a ticking time bomb and did nothing until 4 students were aborted by a psychopath
Fieger on Oxford lawsuit: Sister saw sibling get shot, 'narrowly escaped the bullets'
A $100 million lawsuit against Oxford schools says the district put kids in harm's way. One plaintiff was shot in the neck while her sister watched.www.freep.com
Legally, no. Schools are not liable for the safety of kids, unless they have some sort of known disability.schools are considered guardians ad litums ...they are to protect the students...4 dead is a failure to protect
And many people are, which is exactly my point. And yet, some dunderhead CONSERVATIVES on this thread want MORE "policies and procedures". Right. Great.
You have given me nothing that can save children from a gunman in school
We don't recognize this anymore and have no grace for anyone. We have recriminations, lawsuits, and judgment. That's it.
I have no tolerance for people who *knowingly* abuse children within the school system. It is wretched, they should not be defended and they should get out yesterday. I hope I have been consistent about that.
But that is not the case here. The school personnel did not have nearly the facts most people seem to think they had.
WHY are they loners.
The parent's would quickly side with a teacher that saved their children, otherwise if an active shooter raised it's mentally deranged hand's to kill other student's with a weapon of choice.Two different scenarios.
1. Teachers are allowed to be armed in the classroom but no one should know which ones are
2. Teachers are not allowed to be armed in the classroom but some are anyway
If you were a parent and did not like the first option but an armed teacher protected your child from an active shooter, how many do you suspect will STILL be angry that the teacher had a weapon in class, particularly if they are forbidden and that the teacher will be punished by job loss, black listed, etc.
When the danger is as clear as this case was, they should have called the cops, and got the kid into a mental institution ASAP. When the kid is searching for ammo, and writes down "make the voices stop", that is a pretty clear and present danger.
Don't you think?
Yeah I suspect it’s all bull shit. I bet there was bullying and who knows about another suspect. Sounds like misinformation.That is a really, really, mysterious piece by Fox news. So, they rule out bullying, and say there is another person of interest. . . but they don't give us any other motive? wtf?
I smell a rat.
lol beagle- Don't feel alone! I have to do that frequently, especially after I get on some horrendous soap box and forget it's not the topic!Had to scroll up and again re-familiar myself... LOL.l
This guy is just making up things as he goes alongLegally, no. Schools are not liable for the safety of kids, unless they have some sort of known disability.
This guy is just making up things as he goes along
And he cant back it up
www.lawyers.com
All bullying in school. . in my experience? Always leads back to expectations of the institutions. Kids ALWAYS take their cues, and their social expectation of behavior from the teachers, para-pros, and administration.Yeah I suspect it’s all bull shit. I bet there was bullying and who knows about another suspect. Sounds like misinformation.
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This. Parents should have clued in as well.
Maybe it's time to lock down schools and have one entrance and exit with metal detectors. Apparently our society is not capable anymore of teaching our children morals and values. Very sad.
I agree, the school should have searched his backpack, they are as culpable as the parents.
This guy is just making up things as he goes along
And he cant back it up
All bullying in school. . in my experience? Always leads back to expectations of the institutions. Kids ALWAYS take their cues, and their social expectation of behavior from the teachers, para-pros, and administration.
The cheerleaders, sports folks and "brain trust," are treated like the royalty of the school, and then? The kids can pretty much sort themselves out into the caste system, given how the adults react to, and talk to the kids.
ALL bullying starts with how the schools treats the kids. . . this is the unspoken rule.
. . . and the ones that don't fit in? A lot of them feel helpless, excluded and lonely. The society we have built is sick to the core.
Bianca, You Animal, Shut Up! Prologue
By John Taylor Gatto'Bianca, You Animal, Shut Up!' - LewRockwell
The preface to The Underground History of American Public Education Our problem in understanding forced schooling stems from an inconvenient fact: that the wrong it does from a human perspective is right from a systems perspective. You can see this in the case of six-year-old Bianca, who came to...
August 23, 2010
"Our problem in understanding forced schooling stems from an inconvenient fact: that the wrong it does from a human perspective is right from a systems perspective. You can see this in the case of six-year-old Bianca, who came to my attention because an assistant principal screamed at her in front of an assembly, "BIANCA, YOU ANIMAL, SHUT UP!" Like the wail of a banshee, this sang the school doom of Bianca. Even though her body continued to shuffle around, the voodoo had poisoned her.. . .. . "
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". . . . I picture this animal Bianca grown large and mean, the same Bianca who didn’t go to school for a month after her little friends took to whispering, "Bianca is an animal, Bianca is an animal," while Bianca, only seconds earlier a human being like themselves, sat choking back tears, struggling her way through a reading selection by guessing what the words meant.
In my dream I see Bianca as a fiend manufactured by schooling who now regards Janey as a vehicle for vengeance. In a transport of passion she:
You aren’t compelled to loan your car to anyone who wants it, but you are compelled to surrender your school-age child to strangers who process children for a livelihood, even though one in every nine schoolchildren is terrified of physical harm happening to them in school, terrified with good cause; about thirty-three are murdered there every year. Your great-great-grandmother didn’t have to surrender her children. What happened?
- Gives Jane’s car a ticket before the meter runs out.
- Throws away Jane’s passport application after Jane leaves the office.
- Plays heavy metal music through the thin partition which separates Bianca’s apartment from Jane’s while Jane pounds frantically on the wall for relief.
- All the above.
If I demanded you give up your television to an anonymous, itinerant repairman who needed work you’d think I was crazy; if I came with a policeman who forced you to pay that repairman even after he broke your set, you would be outraged. Why are you so docile when you give up your child to a government agent called a schoolteacher?"
People are not teaching their kids morals and values. Without morals and values, law enforcement will be predominant and it is far from perfect as you just demonstrated with the 'fire code.'I have already said previously you cannot do that. Fire code. Schools have many, many, many exits that *cannot*, by law and code, be locked from the inside. All kids need to beat the metal detectors is to have someone else prop the door or let them in.
People pontificate a lot and simply do not know much.
I don't mean to trigger you. . . but gipper and I agree on quite a bit.We are on the topic of the lawsuit in Oxford. Pick up the soapbox and take it elsewhere.
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