George Zimmerman's bloody head

[Quantum Windbag]

You know, you're not helping your case when you suggest the Sanford PD have lied to cover up something.

Think about that.

Feel free to prove that Sanford PD never lies. You can start with the way they didn't try to cover up the fact that a cops son did this.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHGEam82GME"]Cops Son Caught On Camera Punching Homeless Man - YouTube[/ame]

Better be careful when you go down the road of: The Sanford Police are lying and covering up in this case.

Cause you know where that leads to next...

Let me make my position perfectly clear, all cops lie.

Take it wherever you want.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I so wish he would have run.

He did, and then came back.

Think about it.

And we know this, how?

Because Zimmerman was advised that the police would prefer he not chase him.

Unless, of course, you want to insist that Zimmerman didn't follow him.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I STILL want to know what the heck this thing is about TM circling Z's truck - according to the story Zimmerman told police.

??? What the hell?

You don't know what Zimmerman told police, all you know is what one cop says he told them.

I know what the investigator said Zimmerman told the police that night. That's a matter of record now.

Z said TM was circling Z's truck.

The investigator can't make that up, doofus.

Actually, we don't.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Um, actually the paramedics do not have to take anyone with a head injury to the hospital without them declining especially with minor cases. It is not the only reason they do not take someone. You know how I know this? I have seen it. I call the paramedics often, I deal with them often.
And why didn't he take himself to the hospital? Especially if he broke his nose?
And I have no clue what you are even talking about when it comes to California. I ignore half of what you say anyways, stick to being

Also, the paramedics would take you to the hospital, they would wait for you to pass out from shock or loss of blood. They could also take you and prove that you were not fit at the time to form a rational decision due to shock from a severe injury.

Really? You think paramedics who access a head injury where a guy says his head was pounded on the sidewalk will make a judgement call not to take the guy to the hospital? Do you have any idea how much money the city/county would be on the hook for if it turned out they were wrong?

Could the reason he didn't go to the hospital be that the fracking police arrested him and drug him down to the police station against his will? Was he supposed to escape from them and drive to the hospital?

I know you have no clue what I am talking about, you would need to be able to think beyond your little world where guns are bad and blacks are always innocent.

No chance. Police can't risk the liability and humungous shit storm that would occur if he died while he was under interrogation.


Here's an example: Do you remember that actress, Natasha Richardson? While skiing she bumped her head. She refused medical treatment - thought she was OK. But not long after, she developed a epidural hematoma and subsequently died not long after.

That was just from a bunnyhill bump. You don't mess with shit like that, and EMT's know they are liable if they clear a potential severe head injury without proper treatment.

EMT's treated him in a matter of minutes in the back of a police car, did field tests on him and cleared him.

So, you agree with me, the reason the paramedics didn't take them to the hospital is he said he didn't want to go, because EMTs are not qualified to make medical decisions that will put the city/county on the hook for damages.

 

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You don't know what Zimmerman told police, all you know is what one cop says he told them.

I know what the investigator said Zimmerman told the police that night. That's a matter of record now.

Z said TM was circling Z's truck.

The investigator can't make that up, doofus.

Actually, we don't.

Is it your mission here to make yourself look like an idiot?

Cause you're doing a fine job if it is.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What I think is interesting, is what his girlfriend had to say. Plus the phone call took place five minutes before the police arrived. Don't you think if he was going to go after Zimmerman he would have hung up the phone?

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run."

Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone."

The line went dead. Besides screams heard on 911 calls that night as Martin and Zimmerman scuffled, those were the last words he said.

Trayvon's phone logs, also obtained exclusively by ABC News, show the conversation occurred five minutes before police first arrived on the scene.

Trayvon Martin Arrest Now After ABC Reveals Crucial Phone Call - ABC News

Zimmerman's story just doesn't add up, but the right is so quick to believe him.. Why?? Because he isn't black?

Did Zimmerman plot to kill Martin, no...Should he do prison time, for sure. You can't act like a Cop because you need to compensate for something, and kill an innocent boy for no reason and get away with it. He put himself in that situation, he is the cause of it, and a kid is dead. It is due to Zimmerman's negligence that Martin is no longer alive.

Actually, I don't believe him, I just don't believe the cops either. You prefer to let your racism make your decisions, I prefer to wait for all the facts to come out.

 

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Really? You think paramedics who access a head injury where a guy says his head was pounded on the sidewalk will make a judgement call not to take the guy to the hospital? Do you have any idea how much money the city/county would be on the hook for if it turned out they were wrong?

Could the reason he didn't go to the hospital be that the fracking police arrested him and drug him down to the police station against his will? Was he supposed to escape from them and drive to the hospital?

I know you have no clue what I am talking about, you would need to be able to think beyond your little world where guns are bad and blacks are always innocent.

No chance. Police can't risk the liability and humungous shit storm that would occur if he died while he was under interrogation.


Here's an example: Do you remember that actress, Natasha Richardson? While skiing she bumped her head. She refused medical treatment - thought she was OK. But not long after, she developed a epidural hematoma and subsequently died not long after.

That was just from a bunnyhill bump. You don't mess with shit like that, and EMT's know they are liable if they clear a potential severe head injury without proper treatment.

EMT's treated him in a matter of minutes in the back of a police car, did field tests on him and cleared him.

So, you agree with me, the reason the paramedics didn't take them to the hospital is he said he didn't want to go, because EMTs are not qualified to make medical decisions that will put the city/county on the hook for damages.

He cannot refuse to go if it's serious enough, or there was proof he wasn't coherent.
The police are taking him into custody and are responsible for him at that point. If he dies because he was not treated on their watch it's shit city for the police.

No Refusal form was noted, all field tests would have to be administered and passed -- and he was CLEARED <-- read that again cleared by EMS.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I know what the investigator said Zimmerman told the police that night. That's a matter of record now.

Z said TM was circling Z's truck.

The investigator can't make that up, doofus.

Actually, we don't.

Is it your mission here to make yourself look like an idiot?

Cause you're doing a fine job if it is.

Because I don't beleive a cop will always tell the truth I look like an idiot?

Only if you think cops never lie. If you do, I will be glad to disillusion you, I can provide plenty of examples.

 

[Luissa]

What I think is interesting, is what his girlfriend had to say. Plus the phone call took place five minutes before the police arrived. Don't you think if he was going to go after Zimmerman he would have hung up the phone?

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run."

Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone."

The line went dead. Besides screams heard on 911 calls that night as Martin and Zimmerman scuffled, those were the last words he said.

Trayvon's phone logs, also obtained exclusively by ABC News, show the conversation occurred five minutes before police first arrived on the scene.

Trayvon Martin Arrest Now After ABC Reveals Crucial Phone Call - ABC News

Zimmerman's story just doesn't add up, but the right is so quick to believe him.. Why?? Because he isn't black?

Did Zimmerman plot to kill Martin, no...Should he do prison time, for sure. You can't act like a Cop because you need to compensate for something, and kill an innocent boy for no reason and get away with it. He put himself in that situation, he is the cause of it, and a kid is dead. It is due to Zimmerman's negligence that Martin is no longer alive.

Actually, I don't believe him, I just don't believe the cops either. You prefer to let your racism make your decisions, I prefer to wait for all the facts to come out.

My racism towards who, you weirdo?

 

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Actually, we don't.

Is it your mission here to make yourself look like an idiot?

Cause you're doing a fine job if it is.

Because I don't beleive a cop will always tell the truth I look like an idiot?

Only if you think cops never lie. If you do, I will be glad to disillusion you, I can provide plenty of examples.

So now you think a cop lied and wrote in the report that Zimmerman said TM circled his vehicle, even though (in your mind) Zimmerman never said that?

Wow. Stretching that tupid taffy all the way, arencha?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No chance. Police can't risk the liability and humungous shit storm that would occur if he died while he was under interrogation.


Here's an example: Do you remember that actress, Natasha Richardson? While skiing she bumped her head. She refused medical treatment - thought she was OK. But not long after, she developed a epidural hematoma and subsequently died not long after.

That was just from a bunnyhill bump. You don't mess with shit like that, and EMT's know they are liable if they clear a potential severe head injury without proper treatment.

EMT's treated him in a matter of minutes in the back of a police car, did field tests on him and cleared him.

So, you agree with me, the reason the paramedics didn't take them to the hospital is he said he didn't want to go, because EMTs are not qualified to make medical decisions that will put the city/county on the hook for damages.

He cannot refuse to go if it's serious enough, or there was proof he wasn't coherent.
The police are taking him into custody and are responsible for him at that point. If he dies because he was not treated on their watch it's shit city for the police.

No Refusal form was noted, all field tests would have to be administered and passed -- and he was CLEARED <-- read that again cleared by EMS.

Wanna bet?

A patient has the right to refuse any treatment, except as otherwise provided by law.

Patient Bill of Rights - Medical Quality Assurance - Patient Bill of Rights

that means that the EMTs have to be able to prove to a judge that someone is incapable of making a decision, not that they clear him as able to make decisions.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What I think is interesting, is what his girlfriend had to say. Plus the phone call took place five minutes before the police arrived. Don't you think if he was going to go after Zimmerman he would have hung up the phone?
Trayvon Martin Arrest Now After ABC Reveals Crucial Phone Call - ABC News

Zimmerman's story just doesn't add up, but the right is so quick to believe him.. Why?? Because he isn't black?

Did Zimmerman plot to kill Martin, no...Should he do prison time, for sure. You can't act like a Cop because you need to compensate for something, and kill an innocent boy for no reason and get away with it. He put himself in that situation, he is the cause of it, and a kid is dead. It is due to Zimmerman's negligence that Martin is no longer alive.

Actually, I don't believe him, I just don't believe the cops either. You prefer to let your racism make your decisions, I prefer to wait for all the facts to come out.

My racism towards who, you weirdo?

Yourself.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Is it your mission here to make yourself look like an idiot?

Cause you're doing a fine job if it is.

Because I don't beleive a cop will always tell the truth I look like an idiot?

Only if you think cops never lie. If you do, I will be glad to disillusion you, I can provide plenty of examples.

So now you think a cop lied and wrote in the report that Zimmerman said TM circled his vehicle, even though (in your mind) Zimmerman never said that?

Wow. Stretching that tupid taffy all the way, arencha?

Do you have a report where a cop said that? Or do you simply have a link to a video where a cop said that Zimmerman said that in response to a question?

Let me repeat, all cops lie.

 

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They cleared him. In a matter of minutes. In the back of a squad car. And they didn't even apply bandages.

Guess what that tells me?

 

[Sarah G]

He did, and then came back.

Think about it.

And we know this, how?

Because Zimmerman was advised that the police would prefer he not chase him.

Unless, of course, you want to insist that Zimmerman didn't follow him.

Travon's girlfriend asked him to run and he said no, he would walk fast. Zimmerman kept following him and Travon finally asked him why.

So your story is that Travon ran and then decided to come back and seek his stalker out? Doesn't make sense.

 

[Luissa]

It is not my affidavit. I am not making any claims about who started the fight, it is irrelevant, all that matters is what Zimmerman thought when he shot Martin, and if the state can prove what he says is not true. I actually posted a link to the law in California to prove that self defense is not about who started the fight when you were trying to say this was about the law in Florida, I wonder why you ignored that.

Guess what, if you have your leg torn off, and it is laying on the side of the road, and you tell the paramedics you don't want to go to the hospital, they won't take you. Period. The paramedics are trained to take anyone who has a head injury to the hospital, no matter how minor it appears, because they cannot properly gauge the condition of the person in the field. The only reason they would not do that is if Zimmerman refused to go or if the police refused to let them take him.

In other words, drop this line about the paramedics not taking him to the hospital, it was not their decision. Harping on it just makes your case weaker, even if you don't know that.

Um, actually the paramedics do not have to take anyone with a head injury to the hospital without them declining especially with minor cases. It is not the only reason they do not take someone. You know how I know this? I have seen it. I call the paramedics often, I deal with them often.
And why didn't he take himself to the hospital? Especially if he broke his nose?
And I have no clue what you are even talking about when it comes to California. I ignore half of what you say anyways, stick to being

Also, the paramedics would take you to the hospital, they would wait for you to pass out from shock or loss of blood. They could also take you and prove that you were not fit at the time to form a rational decision due to shock from a severe injury.

Really? You think paramedics who access a head injury where a guy says his head was pounded on the sidewalk will make a judgement call not to take the guy to the hospital? Do you have any idea how much money the city/county would be on the hook for if it turned out they were wrong?

Could the reason he didn't go to the hospital be that the fracking police arrested him and drug him down to the police station against his will? Was he supposed to escape from them and drive to the hospital?

I know you have no clue what I am talking about, you would need to be able to think beyond your little world where guns are bad and blacks are always innocent.

First off I asked why he didn't go to the hospital if he had a broken nose and head injury, never said the paramedics would declined his case. I stated they don't always take head injuries like you claimed. And even if he refused to go in ambulance, the Police are still obligated to take him if he asks. He could have also gone when he was released.
And in my little world I stated in a thread today I was not against guns, and I have also seen bullet fragments be taken out of my brother's face after he was shot by a black kid. I don't think every black man is innocent, I just don't assume all are guilty, there is a difference.
In my little world I have been arrested in a hospital bed while I was being treated for a broken nose and head injury. I also grew up with Uncles who were Cops, and neighbors who were Cops. So if you continue to say all Cops lie, I will continue to think you are a douche bag.

 

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- Investigator reveals that Zimmerman initially claimed Trayvon Martin was "circling his car."

Live: George Zimmerman Will Leave Jail [+Video]

That's part of police taped testimony by Zimmerman, bub.

 

[Luissa]

Actually, I don't believe him, I just don't believe the cops either. You prefer to let your racism make your decisions, I prefer to wait for all the facts to come out.

My racism towards who, you weirdo?

Yourself.

Towards myself? Huh?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about now, because I sure don't.

 

[Luissa]

And we know this, how?

Because Zimmerman was advised that the police would prefer he not chase him.

Unless, of course, you want to insist that Zimmerman didn't follow him.

Travon's girlfriend asked him to run and he said no, he would walk fast. Zimmerman kept following him and Travon finally asked him why.

So your story is that Travon ran and then decided to come back and seek his stalker out? Doesn't make sense.

I don't think QW has any clue what he is saying now.

 

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Because Zimmerman was advised that the police would prefer he not chase him.

Unless, of course, you want to insist that Zimmerman didn't follow him.

Travon's girlfriend asked him to run and he said no, he would walk fast. Zimmerman kept following him and Travon finally asked him why.

So your story is that Travon ran and then decided to come back and seek his stalker out? Doesn't make sense.

I don't QW has any clue what he is saying now.

Every time I read a post by the Windbag, I don't think he knows what he's saying.