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And in my previous post while I forgot to mention the most important thing... a price.I am not very familiar with the Euro fighter. What's the issue?
To what end?Putin is using second rate troops in Ukraine. He's trying to create the illusion of weakness to draw NATO into a fight at which time he'll deploy his more elite units and exploit NATO's overconfidence.
Excellent points. Thank you for clarifying.It was great plane on the paper. It was good plane of its time.
But question, would Germany be looking into F-35 if Eurofigher wansn't a hot garbage? No wonder French split off from the program on time to pursue their own design. The French splitting off from anything is usually a good thing though, because sooner or later they'll backstab you.
To give you an example of their backstabbing... New information came out about France discreetly equipped the Russian army between 2014 and 2020, despite the European embargo. This equipment which has contributed to modernizing the Russian land & air forces could've been used in Ukraine. They exports mainly thermal cameras intended to equip more than 1,000 Russian tanks, as well as navigation systems and infrared detectors for fighter planes and combat helicopters of the Russian air force. And just like that, Macron run to Putin at the start of invasion to talk about... peace?
Back to Eurofighter. Its a Gen 4 fighter, while F-35 is a Gen 5. It's already been in service for more than two decades, and the production lines are closed down, after having build almost 700. Its ok to buy the newer plane that's actually available for purchase, the design of which started after the end of the Cold War. The Eurofighter program started in 1983, as a superiority fighter, or dogfighter. But who really needs dogfighter when F-22 or F-35 in tandems with F-16 or F-15 can blast you from 100 miles away?
Germans are capable to design their own Gen 5 plane, but it will take them 10-15 years, while US is already working on Gen 6. It's cheaper to just get F-35s and calm down the German population from being openly called out by Trump for not providing for defense enough, while Russia is knocking at their doors.
To establish world dominance. Whether, or not he can win is irrelevant. If he thinks he can win, he can cause a big ass mess even if he loses.To what end?
He can't win, the best he can do is destroy us and destroy himself at the same time.
Unless NATO fucks things up. Then NATO troops die. NATO troops are going to die, even if NATO wins.The Russians derp.
So we couldn't afford to sell them to the Poles, for giving their old Migs to Ukraine?
Who is writing Biden's war strategy? Goofy?
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The F-22 is no longer produced and has not been for years. The last one was delivered 10 years ago.As long as we continue to refuse to sell the F-22 Raptor to other countries I'm okay with this.
The UK is already buying the F-35.Yes several squadrons of F 35s and more Euro fighters. That should match or be more than Russia's 5th gen airfleet.
I would imagine you see similar announcements for Poland, UK, and France.
Putting Poland in the cross hairs of mobile Russian nukes ? Don't think that Poland would want to go along with that one. Face it folk's, Ukraine is a gonner, and it is going to be annexed once again by Russia. The hater's of Russia living within Ukraine best get out while they can or be ready to live under authoritarian rule by Russia until complete capitulation is achieved. Russia won't allow for itself to be undermined or attacked after take over for very long. NATO can only hold onto and strengthen the border's that it has currently. If those border's are challenged then Russia should be immediately delt with in an immediate push back at those border's by the combined NATO forces. No holds barred, fight to the finish at those borders.Biden was against that move, and still is. Poland wants to get away from MiGs, and incorporate their air force into western system, and they've been asking for new F-16s for awhile.
Why Washington shut down Poland’s offer to give Ukraine fighter jets
But there is a bigger issue at play. Only (maybe) Ukrainians hate Russians more than Poles. With being part of NATO, and with US planes, Poland could "provoke" Russians into conflict. Given that before WWII Germany and Russia split Poland once, and after WWII Russia partitioned Poland (Minsk was part of Poland, now Belarus, and Lviv was also in Poland, now in Ukraine) Poland would love to get those back.
Here is an idea, have Poland annex Ukraine and form one country, where Russia will become aggressor against NATO.
The F-35 is the current US attack aircraft as well as a fighter.I imagine Poland will buy Euro fighters and US attack aircraft/helicopters.
Whoever has air superiority wins the game, and this regardless of the action's on the ground. It's a fact known for ever in wars now. Ukraine has no way of defeating Russian air power if thrown completely into the war. We should be preparing Ukraine for Exodus, not encouraging them to stay and die while we help them to do just that by encouraging them to fight a war they can't win.I posted few weeks back when Russia invaded... quick math.
It turned out, Ukrainians did not accepted Ruskies as "liberators" as they were told they are, and NLAWs / Javelins are making a huge impact on Russian armor loses. All that makes Putin even more mad, and it will force him to make reinforcements. He doesn't have much time left, since his weapon reserves can run thin in few months, therefore he's asking China for help.
Why is this important? Imagine Poles get a hunch about Russians running out of supplies...
Poland already flies the F-16. The support structure is already in place.As I said earlier, Eurofighter is a lost cause.
Poland is one of only 4 countries who were meeting NATO requirements with their defense spending. They supported us every time we call them, and they shown they're true ally.
Beside reason given earlier, I don't see any other why they wouldn't be given an opportunity to purchase new F-16 and F-15Xs. In tandem with US F-35 they wouldn't have to worry about Russians. But that's game of politics. One of the countries who wanted F-16s is Croatia, but we played hardball with them and they opted out for 12 used Rafales.
Interesting stuff..NATO will not be drawn in the war with Russia. Europe is too dependent on Russian energy, and it will take at least a decade, of not more before they're able to potentially replace the energy they're getting from Russia.
Also this...
Although I don't agree that Ukraine is losing, as is expected to lose some territory at the start of the war, they have the support from EU, that barely allows them to breathe.
As JGalt pointed out, Biden gave Russia everything they wanted. The moment he got into office, he cancelled Keystone XL, and made every possible obstacle for big oil he could come up with. Since then gas prices were on the rise, and inflation as well. We have inflation above 5% every month since last May, and since last December above 7.5% even without Russian invasion of Ukraine. Biden removed Russian sanctions, and approved Nordstream 2. He gave Putin OK to invade with his "if he do just a little"... he did nothing to prevent it, to slow it down, or to take a charge. The EU couldn't wait for him and took the charge, first with sanctions, than with stopping SWIFT, blocking Nordstream 2, and Biden was following with at least five days late, when he didn't have any choice but to do so.
In my opinion, none of these sanctions really hurts Putin. They do, but not as we say they do. Putin already switched his payments to Chinese UnionPay, he offered India oil and gas commodities at discounted prices, and they're taking it. He has half of the world still doing business with him, and the only industry that he does not have to replace is semiconductors, but China does. I also heard he might be getting back on gold standard, and that's where he can actually screw us. But that's another story, maybe for later.
Back to Germany... and EU who brought this on themselves. If you're willing to read, here is what I posted about week ago.
With an economy smaller than that of Texas, and average life expectancy ten years less than rest of Europe, how does he manage to launch unprovoked full scale attack on another country, how is he able to pull this off? Here is how... the first answer is mathematical, and second purely (ideo)logical. He wants Ukraine to be part of Russia more than the West wants Ukraine to be free. Putin is willing to risk tremendous loss of life and resources to get what he wants. There are serious limits to how much the US and Europe are willing to do militarily and Putin knows it. Missing from that explanation thought is a story about material reality and basic economics.
Europe and US failed to deter Russia from invading Ukraine because the West is lost in soft renewable energy delusions, whilst Putin was grounded in hard physical reality of nuclear energy, oil, and natural gas. And now, Ukrainians are paying for our wishful thinking. The reason Europe doesn't have a muscular deterrent threat to prevent Russian aggression and in fact prevented the US from getting allies to do more, is that Europe desperately needs Russian oil and gas. How is it possible that European countries, Germany in particular, allow themselves to become as dependent on authoritarian country over the thirty years since the cold war ended? Well, these countries are in the grips of delusional leftist ideology that makes them incapable to understand the hard realities of energy production. Green ideology insist that we don't need nuclear, and we don't need fracking, it insist that it's just matter of will and money to switch to all renewables, it insists that we need to de-growth the economies, and that we are facing looming human extinction because of the climate change.
Two things that Putin seems to understand far better than his counterparts in the free world and especially in Europe, first is that Europe produces 3.6 million barrel of oil a day but uses 15 million barrels of oil a day. Europe produces 230 billion cubic meters of natural gas a year, but uses 560 billion cubic meters a year. Europe uses 950 million tons of coal a year, and produces half of that. At the same time, Putin knows that Russia produces 11 million barrels of oil per day, but only uses 3.4 million barrels. Russia produces over 700 billion cubic meters of gas a year but only uses around 400 billion. Russia mines 800 million tons of coal each year, but uses 300 million tons. That's how Russia ends up supplying about 20% of Europe's oil, 45% of its gas and 20% of its coal. The math is simple, a child could do it, but none of the leaders on the West do. Even if Europe cut all supplies from Russia, Putin already have buyers for it.
Than there is John Kerry, the guy who will only marry you if you are a widow with shitload of money, and he is the US "climate envoy". This guy is such a pseudointellectual, it's mind boggling. He perfectly captured myopia of the view that West holds, when he said two days before the war that "the Russian invasion of Ukraine could have profound effect... profound negative impact on the climate". WTF?
It's the West that focused on healing of the planet, soft energy renewables, and moving away from natural gas, and nuclear, that allowed Putin to gain stranglehold over Europe's energy supply. As the West fell into hypnotic trans about healing relationship with nature, averting climate apocalypse and worshipping Greta Turnberg, Putin made his moves. Whilst the expanded nuclear energy from Russia was kicking ass, Europe was shutting down their power plants and importing more and more gas. Western governments were spending their time and money obsessing over carbon footprints, (the term that was created by the advertising agency working for BP), they spend thousands of hours for climate anxiety therapy in order to ban plastic straws, whilst Putin expanded his oil and gas production and doubled his nuclear energy production to allow more exports of his other energy sources. Europe shut down their nuclear plants, closed their own gas fields and refused to develop advance methods of fracking.
The numbers tell the story the best, in 2016, only 30% of gas used by Europe came from Russia, in 2018 it jumped to 40%, by early 2020 it was 44% and by early 2021 it was 48%. Love him or hate him, Trump defied diplomatic protocols and called out Germany publicly in 2018 for its dependence on Moscow. He said that Germany is captive to Russia and he was right. He also called out Germany for not fulfilling their NATO obligations. At the time Angela Markel (former commie, by the way) was widely praised for her environmental conciseness, and just as socialist being wrong in just about everything, it turned out they didn't disappointed this time. She was saying that "Germany can make their own policies and decisions in regards energy" and the result is the worst energy crisis since 70's. These policies are driving price of all electricity and gasoline high around the world, and it's crisis fundamentally because of inadequate supply. The scarcity is entirely manufactured. The Europeans, led by figures like teenage idiot, who got rich of it, and green party leaders, supported by American idiots like John Kerry, believed that "heathy relationship with mother nature" requires to make energy scarce, but by turning completely to renewables, we are maybe saving a planet a little (which is questionable, given amount of energy needed to produce renewables), but we're completely destroying Ukraine by giving it to Russia. In service to green ideology, we made the perfect the enemy of the good, and the enemy of the people of Ukraine, and next potential victim country. And while Germans turned off three of the last six of their nuclear power plants, France's Macron right after his visit to Moscow announced that France will build 14 more reactors. He knew something that others didn't. It's worth to mention, since France is not ally that could be trusted, that back in nineties, during the wars in Croatia and Bosnia, unlike majority of the EU and NATO countries, France along with Greece sided with Putin in their support of Serbia.
Did you tell the Joint Chiefs?Putin is using second rate troops in Ukraine. He's trying to create the illusion of weakness to draw NATO into a fight at which time he'll deploy his more elite units and exploit NATO's overconfidence.
I hope they're already considering that possibility.Did you tell the Joint Chiefs?
To what end?
He can't win, the best he can do is destroy us and destroy himself at the same time.
Historically speaking, Germany is the worst country to sell weapons to.
