Going to suggest a solution

[BULLDOG]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

Name one great thing.

Why bother? Nothing I could say would make you like him anyway, and he already beat that fat orange loser, so fuck off and whine somewhere else.

So...you got nothin'.

I got nothin for you, idiot. Sit back and watch while Joe runs the country like an adult instead of a spoiled child. You might learn somethng.

Like an adult? Oh, yes, that explains all the tantrum-like executive orders.

You can eat all of Biden's shit you want. Just don't expect normal people to believe you when you say it's yummy.

What you believe doesn't matter.

 

[Auld Phart]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

No one has mentioned any great things about Joe. All everyone's said is "HE'S NOT TRUMP!!!"

You voted for who you were ordered to vote for.

Really doesn't matter what you have to tell yourself to come to terms with your loss, but the bottom line is we won, and you and your loser lost. Get over it.

Oh, I can get over it.

But I don't know if the damage you and your fellow leftists inflict on America will be recoverable.

America has survived bad presidents before. Biden will probably be bad, but not historically bad. He has one termer written all over him. We’ll be fine.

He has one termer written all over him.

If that long

 

[Rocko]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

No one has mentioned any great things about Joe. All everyone's said is "HE'S NOT TRUMP!!!"

You voted for who you were ordered to vote for.

Really doesn't matter what you have to tell yourself to come to terms with your loss, but the bottom line is we won, and you and your loser lost. Get over it.

Oh, I can get over it.

But I don't know if the damage you and your fellow leftists inflict on America will be recoverable.

America has survived bad presidents before. Biden will probably be bad, but not historically bad. He has one termer written all over him. We’ll be fine.

I give him half a term, tops, before he gets 25th Amendmented.

I could see it.

 

[BULLDOG]

The point is the Democratic party no longer is trying to satisfy that segment.

I don't know exactly when it happened, but at some point the Democrats went from an American party to straight up subversives bent on dividing and transforming America into who knows what.

In your mind it started when Gingrich decided to throw ethics out the window of the republican party and start relying on lies instead.

Any comment on the OP, Please...

Sure. I was just responding to an idiot. Your OP is a great mental exercise, and there are many parts that I think would be an advantage for the country, but it will never really happen. Our constitution lays out how our elections are conducted, and other that a few minor adjustments now and then, like how and when we are allowed to register, and whether we can mail in our votes, the method we have always used will be the method we will always use.

Feasibility is always an issue which I agree with but the US if nothing has shown ability to make great changes when they want too.

First thing is to figure out the path... Personally I think that there is a lot of GOP who relish the chance to get out of the position they are in right now.

Changing the constitution could not as hard as we think if you have Americans that see a way that is better for all...

The advantage of seeing this, is we can see this in action in a vast majority of first world countries all over world.

Again, it's a great problem to work on, but i can imagine the claims, truthful and untruthful, that would be made about such a change. The country just wouldnt go for it. Perhaps far off into the future after we have solved all our current problems. Just my opinion, and it is probably worth what I charged you for it. Not bad reasoning on your part though.

Bulldog, strangely I am going to disagree with you on this one... I normally don't disagree with you much.

I think this might be the time... Crisis can breed opportunity....

There is a number of the GOP moderates who must be privately disgusted with what has happened and do love their country. While this gives some power to the more extreme levels of their party it would mean they have independence to act in the best interest of the country and not fear the primaries.
Imagine the freedom of individual thought they could have.... There fight in election could be with a moderate democrat rather than cowtowing to trump supporter....

Yes, we saw that right wing independence when 147 of them voted to deny vote certification even after the attack on congress earlier that day, and only 11 of them voted to remove Green from her committee positions. I hope that trump albatross will be a problem for them at some point, but clearly it is not now.

How many do you think were voting because they were afraid of primaries?

IF they know they are going to be on the ticket in an election would they be so fearful?

Candidates would be elected by second and third preferences in many cases....

I already said I can see advantages to that method for holding elections, but I can't get past the non existant possibility that it could actually happen.

 

[BULLDOG]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

Name one great thing.

Why bother? Nothing I could say would make you like him anyway, and he already beat that fat orange loser, so fuck off and whine somewhere else.

So...you got nothin'.

I got nothin for you, idiot. Sit back and watch while Joe runs the country like an adult instead of a spoiled child. You might learn somethng.

You’re going to be disappointed that old fool isn’t the kind of pushover you hope he is.

Joe is tougher than you might think.

He’s a career politician and I don’t respect him, but I’m hoping him being around a long time he’s not going to be dictated to be the fringe groups that have taken control of the democrat party. If he is a puppet for the far left and I’m wrong he’ll get slaughtered in the midterms. Either way I think we’ll be ok.

Mid terms have historically been a problem for either party when they held both houses and the presidency. That's a given, and this time will be the same. I expect Biden to be good, or even better than that, but it all depends on if the trumpsters can hold their party together, or if right wing politicians finally start to distance themselves from obvious stupidity they supported under trump. I hope at least some of them are still capable of being embarrased by what they have done.

 

[BULLDOG]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

Name one great thing.

Why bother? Nothing I could say would make you like him anyway, and he already beat that fat orange loser, so fuck off and whine somewhere else.

So...you got nothin'.

I got nothin for you, idiot. Sit back and watch while Joe runs the country like an adult instead of a spoiled child. You might learn somethng.

Like an adult? Oh, yes, that explains all the tantrum-like executive orders.

You can eat all of Biden's shit you want. Just don't expect normal people to believe you when you say it's yummy.

If you say so Boo Boo. If you want to pretend that orange loser didn't have a tantrum at least twice a week, it doesn't bother me. We both know how he behaved.

It's always funny when people who aren't self-aware try to tell me what I know.

My mistake. I should never think you know anything.

 

[Rocko]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

Name one great thing.

Why bother? Nothing I could say would make you like him anyway, and he already beat that fat orange loser, so fuck off and whine somewhere else.

So...you got nothin'.

I got nothin for you, idiot. Sit back and watch while Joe runs the country like an adult instead of a spoiled child. You might learn somethng.

You’re going to be disappointed that old fool isn’t the kind of pushover you hope he is.

Joe is tougher than you might think.

He’s a career politician and I don’t respect him, but I’m hoping him being around a long time he’s not going to be dictated to be the fringe groups that have taken control of the democrat party. If he is a puppet for the far left and I’m wrong he’ll get slaughtered in the midterms. Either way I think we’ll be ok.

Mid terms have historically been a problem for either party when they held both houses and the presidency. That's a given, and this time will be the same. I expect Biden to be good, or even better than that, but it all depends on if the trumpsters can hold their party together, or if right wing politicians finally start to distance themselves from obvious stupidity they supported under trump. I hope at least some of them are still capable of being embarrased by what they have done.

I believe Trump will fade away over time, but it’s really hard to tell how soon republicans will move away from him, or if he’s even interested in using his clout with his supporters for anything

 

[BULLDOG]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

Name one great thing.

Why bother? Nothing I could say would make you like him anyway, and he already beat that fat orange loser, so fuck off and whine somewhere else.

So...you got nothin'.

I got nothin for you, idiot. Sit back and watch while Joe runs the country like an adult instead of a spoiled child. You might learn somethng.

You’re going to be disappointed that old fool isn’t the kind of pushover you hope he is.

Joe is tougher than you might think.

He’s a career politician and I don’t respect him, but I’m hoping him being around a long time he’s not going to be dictated to be the fringe groups that have taken control of the democrat party. If he is a puppet for the far left and I’m wrong he’ll get slaughtered in the midterms. Either way I think we’ll be ok.

Mid terms have historically been a problem for either party when they held both houses and the presidency. That's a given, and this time will be the same. I expect Biden to be good, or even better than that, but it all depends on if the trumpsters can hold their party together, or if right wing politicians finally start to distance themselves from obvious stupidity they supported under trump. I hope at least some of them are still capable of being embarrased by what they have done.

I believe Trump will fade away over time, but it’s really hard to tell how soon republicans will move away from him, or if he’s even interested in using his clout with his supporters for anything

If he can find a way to use their adoration, he will.

 

[Rocko]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

Name one great thing.

Why bother? Nothing I could say would make you like him anyway, and he already beat that fat orange loser, so fuck off and whine somewhere else.

So...you got nothin'.

I got nothin for you, idiot. Sit back and watch while Joe runs the country like an adult instead of a spoiled child. You might learn somethng.

You’re going to be disappointed that old fool isn’t the kind of pushover you hope he is.

Joe is tougher than you might think.

He’s a career politician and I don’t respect him, but I’m hoping him being around a long time he’s not going to be dictated to be the fringe groups that have taken control of the democrat party. If he is a puppet for the far left and I’m wrong he’ll get slaughtered in the midterms. Either way I think we’ll be ok.

Mid terms have historically been a problem for either party when they held both houses and the presidency. That's a given, and this time will be the same. I expect Biden to be good, or even better than that, but it all depends on if the trumpsters can hold their party together, or if right wing politicians finally start to distance themselves from obvious stupidity they supported under trump. I hope at least some of them are still capable of being embarrased by what they have done.

I believe Trump will fade away over time, but it’s really hard to tell how soon republicans will move away from him, or if he’s even interested in using his clout with his supporters for anything

If he can find a way to use their adoration, he will.

70 million people voted for him, but it’s hard to tell how many of those 70 million are devout supporters

 

[candycorn]

Smerconish had a guy on the other day talking about having nothing but open primaries. The basis was (paraphrasing) that tax money is being used to launch primary elections whereby you have to register to vote in one or the other. Meaning that you have to register as a Republican to vote in one primary or a Democrat to vote in another. This explains it better than I am.

Fairvote.org:
"In a few states, independent voters may register with a party on Election Day. However, they must remain registered with that party until they change their affiliation again."

What was being argued by his guest was that Independent (or non-affiliated if you prefer) Jane Doe is forced to register before she can vote in an election she, in part, paid for. They are trying to get every state to open it's primaries. The result is that in March or whenever, you have the primary. In November, you have the general election. The outcomes in March pit the top two vote-getters against one another. It could be two democrats, two republicans, one from each of those parties, a Whig and a Federalist...whatever.

I like the idea myself.

 

[BULLDOG]

I suggest the real Republicans leave their party and become Democrats and defeat the Trumpet Party.

I suggest Democrats change their loyalty from their party to the United States.

That's not going to happen, however.

You're right. It will never happen The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party, and look how fucked up they became.

The republicans changed their loyalty to the United States to loyalty to their party,

No more than the Democrats did.

Fer Gawds sake, they backed a career politician, whos sole achievement is longevity.

I guess fox forgot to mention all the great things about Joe, didn't they? Oh well. He won without fox viewers anyway.

Name one great thing.

Why bother? Nothing I could say would make you like him anyway, and he already beat that fat orange loser, so fuck off and whine somewhere else.

So...you got nothin'.

I got nothin for you, idiot. Sit back and watch while Joe runs the country like an adult instead of a spoiled child. You might learn somethng.

You’re going to be disappointed that old fool isn’t the kind of pushover you hope he is.

Joe is tougher than you might think.

He’s a career politician and I don’t respect him, but I’m hoping him being around a long time he’s not going to be dictated to be the fringe groups that have taken control of the democrat party. If he is a puppet for the far left and I’m wrong he’ll get slaughtered in the midterms. Either way I think we’ll be ok.

Mid terms have historically been a problem for either party when they held both houses and the presidency. That's a given, and this time will be the same. I expect Biden to be good, or even better than that, but it all depends on if the trumpsters can hold their party together, or if right wing politicians finally start to distance themselves from obvious stupidity they supported under trump. I hope at least some of them are still capable of being embarrased by what they have done.

I believe Trump will fade away over time, but it’s really hard to tell how soon republicans will move away from him, or if he’s even interested in using his clout with his supporters for anything

If he can find a way to use their adoration, he will.

70 million people voted for him, but it’s hard to tell how many of those 70 million are devout supporters

True, and many of them were there just because they thought it was a way to be part of a group when they didn't have that otherwise. That doesn't mean they were any less prone to idolize him and everything he did. In fact, it probably made many of them more likely to be hard core trumpsters. In time, they will realize that he wasn't the hero they had hoped he would be. I suspect there would have soon been a falling off even if he had won.

 

[OldLady]

We seem to have hit an impasse politically.... Moderates are are threatened with primaries and compromise is considered evil.

Here is a possible solution.

Congress
Congressional elections would consist of 3-5 seat districts with preference voting. This is very common around the world. This would mean in effect that the two main parties would be running multiple candidates in all districts. Smaller parties and independents could also flourish as they would have better chance at the polls. Each big party has to run a big tent and put up with undesirables, this would mean rather than surrendering the middle ground, extremists in each party would be allow to splinter.
Your vote would would be given to the candidate in your highest preference. If he/she gets eliminated your vote goes to your next choice.
The voter would get more choice and doesn't have to waste there vote on a non viable candidate in the fear that there enemy winning. You vote who you want and your vote goes to that person. Here is an example of an election count
View attachment 453616
This is a 5 seater. Quota is set at Total valid votes/(number of seats +1)... This means if get to the quota you are elected and your surplus is then divided out (can explain that more if needed).
First count just counts all votes as normal, from there they discount the bottom ones and share out the next preference still in the race until a quota is reached. When some one gets elected there surplus over the quota is shared.
Big advantage is negative campaigning is far less effective, being positive reaps more as gain. You get elected usually by a lot of peoples second and third preferences. Incumbents don't usually get primaried as you see the bigger parties Fianna Fail and Fine Gail have 3 candidates each. So when elected they try and work for every one.
This also means there is no death districts... In liberal area GOP would looking for the last seat and visa versa...

Senate (possibly)
Run in the same manner but two seats could go up at the same time... So in California Republicans would trying to get the second seat and the Democrats could be looking for a shut out and visa vera in West Virgina...

It is just a thought...

I get the ranked choice voting part, but I'm not sure I get the rest. Does that mean there would be more reps sent to Congress?

 

[Rigby5]

...

Yeah I kind of don’t think you have a big business. You’re ideas are shit, but that’s not the point, you have no skin in the game. I’m not afraid of your ideas, I think it’s outrageous that you have the audacity to speak on issues that don’t affect you with people that these issues have an effect on. Self respecting left wingers in our country will tell you stay out of it and shut the fuck up. I mean do understand where an American wouldn’t want to hear from you one these things or no?

We should be open to ideas from other countries because clearly our system is not working, and likely most others are working better.

For example, Biden went from absolutely last pick, to suddenly being the party champion. Something is not right with that.

Same with Sanders, who the polls said could far more easily beat Trump than Hillary. It was super delegates who nixed Sanders, not voters.

No only is that evidence of something terribly wrong, but by stretching out the primaries, it forces far more expense, traveling, and campaigning state to state, which likely is no longer practical or helpful. We likely could reduce the influence of big money by just having 1 ranked election with all the candidates in it, and skip the primary. Take parties out of it completely.

 

[Rigby5]

...

Joe is tougher than you might think.

That is the problem.
Joe is the guy who wrote the 1994 federal crime bill, which federalized the War on Drugs, 3 Strikes, disenfranchised millions of Black voters, etc. Worst law ever passed. Totally fascist.

 

[BULLDOG]

...

Joe is tougher than you might think.

That is the problem.
Joe is the guy who wrote the 1994 federal crime bill, which federalized the War on Drugs, 3 Strikes, disenfranchised millions of Black voters, etc. Worst law ever passed. Totally fascist.

Terrible law that passed with almost unanimous bipartisin support. Plenty of blame to go around on that one.

 

[Rigby5]

...

Joe is tougher than you might think.

That is the problem.
Joe is the guy who wrote the 1994 federal crime bill, which federalized the War on Drugs, 3 Strikes, disenfranchised millions of Black voters, etc. Worst law ever passed. Totally fascist.

Terrible law that passed with almost unanimous bipartisin support. Plenty of blame to go around on that one.

Yes, and that is the point.
Democrats don't deserve any more respect than Trump.
I remember Bill praising the bill when he signed it.
They all deserve to be run out of town on a rail.
Nor has anyone tried to repeal it.
Disgraceful.
Makes you want to occupy congress!

 

[fncceo]

We should be open to ideas from other countries because clearly our system is not working

I've lived in several other countries. Some nice, some shite holes. They all do things their own way, the way that works for them.

Of all the places I've lived and worked, the place I choose to be is right here.

 

[BULLDOG]

...

Joe is tougher than you might think.

That is the problem.
Joe is the guy who wrote the 1994 federal crime bill, which federalized the War on Drugs, 3 Strikes, disenfranchised millions of Black voters, etc. Worst law ever passed. Totally fascist.

Terrible law that passed with almost unanimous bipartisin support. Plenty of blame to go around on that one.

Yes, and that is the point.
Democrats don't deserve any more respect than Trump.
I remember Bill praising the bill when he signed it.
They all deserve to be run out of town on a rail.
Nor has anyone tried to repeal it.
Disgraceful.
Makes you want to occupy congress!

The difference being everybody thought the crime bill was a good idea, even if it did eventually turn out to be a bad idea. With tump everybody knew his crap was stupid

 

[Rigby5]

We should be open to ideas from other countries because clearly our system is not working

I've lived in several other countries. Some nice, some shite holes. They all do things their own way, the way that works for them.

Of all the places I've lived and worked, the place I choose to be is right here.

The MAIN reason the US is the best place to live is not because it has a better system, but because it invades, takes over, buys out, bribes, or otherwise controls most of the world and absorbs their productivity. We are pretty much the latest incarnation of the Roman Empire, complete with insane emperors and circuses.

Again, it is clear for anyone to see that Biden started out as the least popular choice between all the democrats in the primary, so then something is wrong if he now is president some how? The Burisma Holdings scandal alone should have been enough to instantly sink him. So there is something wrong with the media, the primary process, etc. I suspect it is too long and dragged out, costing too much. So that big money has too much influence? A single election with all candidates ranked by voters would eliminate the need for a run off, so might help campaigns cost less?

 

[bripat9643]

We should be open to ideas from other countries because clearly our system is not working

I've lived in several other countries. Some nice, some shite holes. They all do things their own way, the way that works for them.

Of all the places I've lived and worked, the place I choose to be is right here.

The MAIN reason the US is the best place to live is not because it has a better system, but because it invades, takes over, buys out, bribes, or otherwise controls most of the world and absorbs their productivity. We are pretty much the latest incarnation of the Roman Empire, complete with insane emperors and circuses.

Again, it is clear for anyone to see that Biden started out as the least popular choice between all the democrats in the primary, so then something is wrong if he now is president some how? The Burisma Holdings scandal alone should have been enough to instantly sink him. So there is something wrong with the media, the primary process, etc. I suspect it is too long and dragged out, costing too much. So that big money has too much influence? A single election with all candidates ranked by voters would eliminate the need for a run off, so might help campaigns cost less?

Utter horseshit.