Gone- But Not Forgotten

[PoliticalChic]

There is no hope for America unless we take back the schools.

Big fight over motto to go over doorway of new elementary school in San Francisco:

Conservatives want: "Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here".

Liberals violently protesting for "Arbeit Macht Frei"

You be one funny dude, Hank!

 

[Taz]

News flash, We fought wars to keep from being Britain.

She's so dumb, she could be Polish.

And yet, you have lost every argument that you have ever had with her.

How do you lose to copy&paste NKChic? ....

You've found a way, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

She is too afraid to confront me directly. Just like you.

 

[Taz]

I invoke Godwin's Law, so you lose the argument without even one rebuttal. Nice going NorthKoreaChic.

Frau Braun still mourns the day the Nazis lost

The Nazis didn't lose.
They just switched parties.
Now they're Democrats.

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.



These were listed as the aims of the communist party, (CPUSA) after the war, and, to an almost 100% extent, they the same as today's Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.



1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.


2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.


3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.





4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.


6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.





7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."





9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."







10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.


13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce


Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?



I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals




10 planks of Communist manifesto

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

.
No...
There's major differences.

Democrats are the worst they will collapse the USA & thus Western civilization the crime of the century.

Nazis on the other hand were trying to fight this cr@p.

Not saying Nazis were great they were also evil.
The thing is they aren't the worst.

This is the basis of the groups mentioned: all three, Communists, Nazis, and Democrats/Liberals stand for....


...the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None are for freedom or liberty.


The only difference between them is how far they will go to ensure their doctrine's victory.


All three have used concentration camps toward that end.

Selective copy&paste to make it look like you wrote something yourself?

Better luck next time, Mrs Kim.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I invoke Godwin's Law, so you lose the argument without even one rebuttal. Nice going NorthKoreaChic.

Frau Braun still mourns the day the Nazis lost

The Nazis didn't lose.
They just switched parties.
Now they're Democrats.

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.



These were listed as the aims of the communist party, (CPUSA) after the war, and, to an almost 100% extent, they the same as today's Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.



1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.


2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.


3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.





4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.


6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.





7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."





9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."







10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.


13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce


Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?



I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals




10 planks of Communist manifesto

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

.
No...
There's major differences.

Democrats are the worst they will collapse the USA & thus Western civilization the crime of the century.

Nazis on the other hand were trying to fight this cr@p.

Not saying Nazis were great they were also evil.
The thing is they aren't the worst.

This is the basis of the groups mentioned: all three, Communists, Nazis, and Democrats/Liberals stand for....


...the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None are for freedom or liberty.


The only difference between them is how far they will go to ensure their doctrine's victory.


All three have used concentration camps toward that end.

First off freedom is Liberalism.
Second off freedom is weak.
Third off most Collectivists are more Right-Wing than Individualists.

The problem with Freedom & Capitalism is it allows the Kosher Globalists the freedom to control the media, Hollywood, the social media too.

That's why your side is losing big.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Frau Braun still mourns the day the Nazis lost

The Nazis didn't lose.
They just switched parties.
Now they're Democrats.

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.



These were listed as the aims of the communist party, (CPUSA) after the war, and, to an almost 100% extent, they the same as today's Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.



1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.


2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.


3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.





4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.


6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.





7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."





9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."







10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.


13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce


Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?



I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals




10 planks of Communist manifesto

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

.
No...
There's major differences.

Democrats are the worst they will collapse the USA & thus Western civilization the crime of the century.

Nazis on the other hand were trying to fight this cr@p.

Not saying Nazis were great they were also evil.
The thing is they aren't the worst.

This is the basis of the groups mentioned: all three, Communists, Nazis, and Democrats/Liberals stand for....


...the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None are for freedom or liberty.


The only difference between them is how far they will go to ensure their doctrine's victory.


All three have used concentration camps toward that end.

First off freedom is Liberalism.
Second off freedom is weak.
Third off most Collectivists are more Right-Wing than Individualists.

The problem with Freedom & Capitalism is it allows the Kosher Globalists the freedom to control the media, Hollywood, the social media too.

That's why your side is losing big.

"First off freedom is Liberalism."

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't succeed.


"Liberalism' is the title the Socialist Party stole, and has used to hide its big government statism, demanding the bending of the neck and the knee by citizens.


Wise up.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

News flash, We fought wars to keep from being Britain.

She's so dumb, she could be Polish.

No.

Yes. You too.

You're the sharpest marble in the bag, cupcake.

PS: I made that up myself.

His grip on sanity isn't exactly the strongest, either.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So what is this thread actually about ?

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what is this thread actually about ?

Drop back when you learn to read English.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So what is this thread actually about ?

Drop back when you learn to read English.

Thanks but I think I will give it a swerve. It reads as bollox pretty much.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Nazis didn't lose.
They just switched parties.
Now they're Democrats.

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.



These were listed as the aims of the communist party, (CPUSA) after the war, and, to an almost 100% extent, they the same as today's Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.



1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.


2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.


3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.





4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.


6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.





7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."





9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."







10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.


13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce


Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?



I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals




10 planks of Communist manifesto

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

.
No...
There's major differences.

Democrats are the worst they will collapse the USA & thus Western civilization the crime of the century.

Nazis on the other hand were trying to fight this cr@p.

Not saying Nazis were great they were also evil.
The thing is they aren't the worst.

This is the basis of the groups mentioned: all three, Communists, Nazis, and Democrats/Liberals stand for....


...the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None are for freedom or liberty.


The only difference between them is how far they will go to ensure their doctrine's victory.


All three have used concentration camps toward that end.

First off freedom is Liberalism.
Second off freedom is weak.
Third off most Collectivists are more Right-Wing than Individualists.

The problem with Freedom & Capitalism is it allows the Kosher Globalists the freedom to control the media, Hollywood, the social media too.

That's why your side is losing big.

"First off freedom is Liberalism."

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't succeed.


"Liberalism' is the title the Socialist Party stole, and has used to hide its big government statism, demanding the bending of the neck and the knee by citizens.


Wise up.

Classical Liberalism & Neo Liberalism is what Republicans practice.

I blame mostly Reagan for botching up the definitions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what is this thread actually about ?

Drop back when you learn to read English.

Thanks but I think I will give it a swerve. It reads as bollox pretty much.

You didn't understand what it is about, but, once I embarrassed you, you had a negative review of that you admitted you didn't understand.


You've served your purpose.....to be mocked and shown to be a buffoon.....

....dismissed.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

9. The British were once a proud and courageous people, proud of their identity and heritage. Something has gone wrong: Liberalism.

The same attitude we saw from earlier Liberals, “Better Red Than Dead,” now applies to Islam vs. Christianity.


“Muhammad taught, and the Quran stresses, that a central tenet of Islam is to convert, enslave or kill the infidel. An infidel is anyone who is not Muslim or, depending on who’s doing the killing, belongs to a different sect of Islam. Those who fall into that elusive, perpetually mute category tagged “moderate Muslim” are also infidels. They’re bad Muslims and so, according to the Quran, not Muslims at all."
Matt Barber - Myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’

A large segment of the British public has seen the actions of Muslims….and has succumbed to fear and cowardice.





10. “Hand in hand with this progressive negation of British identity has come a systematic repudiation of its values. At the heart of multiculturalism is a radical notion of egalitarianism, in which everyone's culture and lifestyle has equal validity and moral stature. This extreme type of individualism, which replaces objective standards by subjective opinions and feelings, has been translated comprehensively into the moral sphere governing personal behavior.

Morality has been privatized, so that instead of asking the question "what is right?" the individual now asks "what is right for me?" After the war, authority was junked in favor of boutique values centered upon self-actualization.

Religion—the restraint on behavior —was substantially replaced by therapy, which diagnosed such restraint as unhealthy repression. The slow death of Christianity in Britain meant a transfer of belief from messianic redemption to a secular Utopia.” Phillips, “Londonistan,” p. 70




“Those who might have thought the Church of England would hold the line as the last redoubt against both the attack upon the West from Islamism and the attack upon its values from within—which has so weakened its defenses against the onslaught from without—are in for a shock. Far from defending the nation at the heart of whose identity and values its own doctrines lie, the Church of England—Britain's established church—has internalized the hatred of the West that defines the shared universe of radical Islamism and the revolutionary left.”
Ibid, p.139



If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
Certainly the case with the British public.

The British were very brutal & violent.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.



These were listed as the aims of the communist party, (CPUSA) after the war, and, to an almost 100% extent, they the same as today's Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.



1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.


2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.


3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.





4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.


6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.





7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."





9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."







10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.


13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce


Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?



I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals




10 planks of Communist manifesto

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

.
No...
There's major differences.

Democrats are the worst they will collapse the USA & thus Western civilization the crime of the century.

Nazis on the other hand were trying to fight this cr@p.

Not saying Nazis were great they were also evil.
The thing is they aren't the worst.

This is the basis of the groups mentioned: all three, Communists, Nazis, and Democrats/Liberals stand for....


...the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None are for freedom or liberty.


The only difference between them is how far they will go to ensure their doctrine's victory.


All three have used concentration camps toward that end.

First off freedom is Liberalism.
Second off freedom is weak.
Third off most Collectivists are more Right-Wing than Individualists.

The problem with Freedom & Capitalism is it allows the Kosher Globalists the freedom to control the media, Hollywood, the social media too.

That's why your side is losing big.

"First off freedom is Liberalism."

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't succeed.


"Liberalism' is the title the Socialist Party stole, and has used to hide its big government statism, demanding the bending of the neck and the knee by citizens.


Wise up.

Classical Liberalism & Neo Liberalism is what Republicans practice.

I blame mostly Reagan for botching up the definitions.

That's because you are ignorant.


Today's Liberals are not the classical liberals who founded this nation.....they would be referred to as conservatives today.


Communist John Dewey prevailed on the Socialist Party to change its name to 'Liberal.'


"...[John] Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term “socialism” to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. “The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer,” Dewey declared, “is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism. The prejudice against the name may be a regrettable prejudice but its influence is so powerful that it is much more reasonable to imagine all but the most dogmatic Socialists joining a new party than to imagine any considerable part of the American people going over to them.” Dewey’s influential 1935 tract, Liberalism and Social Action, should be read in the light of this." The Refounding of America | National Review

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

.
No...
There's major differences.

Democrats are the worst they will collapse the USA & thus Western civilization the crime of the century.

Nazis on the other hand were trying to fight this cr@p.

Not saying Nazis were great they were also evil.
The thing is they aren't the worst.

This is the basis of the groups mentioned: all three, Communists, Nazis, and Democrats/Liberals stand for....


...the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None are for freedom or liberty.


The only difference between them is how far they will go to ensure their doctrine's victory.


All three have used concentration camps toward that end.

First off freedom is Liberalism.
Second off freedom is weak.
Third off most Collectivists are more Right-Wing than Individualists.

The problem with Freedom & Capitalism is it allows the Kosher Globalists the freedom to control the media, Hollywood, the social media too.

That's why your side is losing big.

"First off freedom is Liberalism."

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't succeed.


"Liberalism' is the title the Socialist Party stole, and has used to hide its big government statism, demanding the bending of the neck and the knee by citizens.


Wise up.

Classical Liberalism & Neo Liberalism is what Republicans practice.

I blame mostly Reagan for botching up the definitions.

That's because you are ignorant.


Today's Liberals are not the classical liberals who founded this nation.....they would be referred to as conservatives today.


Communist John Dewey prevailed on the Socialist Party to change its name to 'Liberal.'


"...[John] Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term “socialism” to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. “The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer,” Dewey declared, “is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism. The prejudice against the name may be a regrettable prejudice but its influence is so powerful that it is much more reasonable to imagine all but the most dogmatic Socialists joining a new party than to imagine any considerable part of the American people going over to them.” Dewey’s influential 1935 tract, Liberalism and Social Action, should be read in the light of this." The Refounding of America | National Review

Very wrong.
The Founding Fathers weren't Classical Liberals.

They were a mix of Paleo Conservatives with the Authoritarian Right.

Both parties are Left wing here in the USA.

 

[Capri]

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.

So you say there's no real difference between "Nazis," Communists, and Democrats, then support that with Communists' statements of their goals. The comparison between Communists and Democrats holds up very well. The "Nazis, though, fought the communists and today's successors of the originals stand against communism and its agenda. Lumping "Nazis" with Communists really makes no sense.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.

c. Bernie Sanders' Democrats singing the Internationale

Thank you for both of your replies PoliticalChic.

Your point c above doesn't really mean anything. Was it supposed to be that Sanders supporters raised their arms? That's a common way to both salute and to express solidarity. What they're doing isn't similar to the Roman salute used by National Socialists.

Point b is unarguably so but both being socialists doesn't mean they're the same. That national and international distinction is a huge one. Also, while both take a somewhat different but decidedly socialist approach to matters of the economy, their are vital differences in other matters.

The quote in point a is factually accurate but the statement in isolation tells an incomplete picture. Hitler also often stated that his socialism and thus that of the NSDAP were sharply distinct from that of Marxist socialism. He draw distinctions not only about the internationalism v nationalism but also about the value of individual labor, personal reward for ones initiative or innovation, the importance of spirituality, and the value of the traditional family structure, to name a few examples.

You've made it clear why you lump together modern Democrats, Communists, and National Socialists but the National Socialists just don't fit the assertion that all three are like peas in a pod. Looking back at the 13 points you listed in your earlier post #34, only 3 of those goals could be considered among those of "NAZIS" past or present, the ones about influencing media and education. "NAZIS" stood/stand in direct opposition to the other 10.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is the basis of the groups mentioned: all three, Communists, Nazis, and Democrats/Liberals stand for....


...the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None are for freedom or liberty.


The only difference between them is how far they will go to ensure their doctrine's victory.


All three have used concentration camps toward that end.

First off freedom is Liberalism.
Second off freedom is weak.
Third off most Collectivists are more Right-Wing than Individualists.

The problem with Freedom & Capitalism is it allows the Kosher Globalists the freedom to control the media, Hollywood, the social media too.

That's why your side is losing big.

"First off freedom is Liberalism."

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't succeed.


"Liberalism' is the title the Socialist Party stole, and has used to hide its big government statism, demanding the bending of the neck and the knee by citizens.


Wise up.

Classical Liberalism & Neo Liberalism is what Republicans practice.

I blame mostly Reagan for botching up the definitions.

That's because you are ignorant.


Today's Liberals are not the classical liberals who founded this nation.....they would be referred to as conservatives today.


Communist John Dewey prevailed on the Socialist Party to change its name to 'Liberal.'


"...[John] Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term “socialism” to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. “The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer,” Dewey declared, “is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism. The prejudice against the name may be a regrettable prejudice but its influence is so powerful that it is much more reasonable to imagine all but the most dogmatic Socialists joining a new party than to imagine any considerable part of the American people going over to them.” Dewey’s influential 1935 tract, Liberalism and Social Action, should be read in the light of this." The Refounding of America | National Review

Very wrong.
The Founding Fathers weren't Classical Liberals.

They were a mix of Paleo Conservatives with the Authoritarian Right.

Both parties are Left wing here in the USA.

Interesting, and indicative, that you have yet to understand this fact: I'm never wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.

So you say there's no real difference between "Nazis," Communists, and Democrats, then support that with Communists' statements of their goals. The comparison between Communists and Democrats holds up very well. The "Nazis, though, fought the communists and today's successors of the originals stand against communism and its agenda. Lumping "Nazis" with Communists really makes no sense.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.

c. Bernie Sanders' Democrats singing the Internationale

Thank you for both of your replies PoliticalChic.

Your point c above doesn't really mean anything. Was it supposed to be that Sanders supporters raised their arms? That's a common way to both salute and to express solidarity. What they're doing isn't similar to the Roman salute used by National Socialists.

Point b is unarguably so but both being socialists doesn't mean they're the same. That national and international distinction is a huge one. Also, while both take a somewhat different but decidedly socialist approach to matters of the economy, their are vital differences in other matters.

The quote in point a is factually accurate but the statement in isolation tells an incomplete picture. Hitler also often stated that his socialism and thus that of the NSDAP were sharply distinct from that of Marxist socialism. He draw distinctions not only about the internationalism v nationalism but also about the value of individual labor, personal reward for ones initiative or innovation, the importance of spirituality, and the value of the traditional family structure, to name a few examples.

You've made it clear why you lump together modern Democrats, Communists, and National Socialists but the National Socialists just don't fit the assertion that all three are like peas in a pod. Looking back at the 13 points you listed in your earlier post #34, only 3 of those goals could be considered among those of "NAZIS" past or present, the ones about influencing media and education. "NAZIS" stood/stand in direct opposition to the other 10.

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See if you can find a similar convocation by Republicans, conservatives, singing the Internationale.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why is the American public still in Israel’s corner, unlike the Brit’s?



11. “In America, the churches have been in the forefront of the defense of Western values. Some of the strongest support for Israel comes from evangelical Christians. In Britain, by contrast, the Church of England has been in the forefront of the retreat from the Judeo-Christian heritage. At every stage it has sought to appease the forces of secularism, accommodating itself to family breakdown, seeking to be nonjudgmental and embracing multiculturalism.”
Phillips, Op. Cit.

If the comparison of America and Great Britain in terms of the defense of Western Civilization is a valid one, and it is, then the attacks on Jews is even more indicative: the major political party in America is now openly running on anti-Semitism.


Today, the Democrat Party is strongly anti-Semitic.




One reason for the political conjugality of Progressives and Islamists is the hatred, by both, of Christianity, as seen here:

"We tell the Christians everywhere that the Islamic state will spread by Allah’s will. It [the Islamic state] will get to you even if you are safe in your fortresses. Who ever converts to Islam, he will have peace and who accepts the Dhimmi status will be at peace. But who rejects our terms he will receive nothing from us except the sharpness of the sword.
Men will be slaughtered and the women and children will be enslaved and their monies are confiscated as booty. This is the rule of Allah and his prophet. And to Allah is the pride and also to the believers but the hypocrites do not understand." ISIS spokesperson, his name is Anas Al-Nashwan(code name Abu Malik Al-Tamimi) of Saudi Arabia and has a masters degree in Sharia.


And, in the service of the Progressive-Islamist Alliance, in his prime-time speech to the nation on the eve of the 13th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, President Obama vowed that the Islamic State terrorists “are not Islamic.”

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Why is the American public still in Israel’s corner, unlike the Brit’s?



11. “In America, the churches have been in the forefront of the defense of Western values. Some of the strongest support for Israel comes from evangelical Christians. In Britain, by contrast, the Church of England has been in the forefront of the retreat from the Judeo-Christian heritage. At every stage it has sought to appease the forces of secularism, accommodating itself to family breakdown, seeking to be nonjudgmental and embracing multiculturalism.”
Phillips, Op. Cit.

If the comparison of America and Great Britain in terms of the defense of Western Civilization is a valid one, and it is, then the attacks on Jews is even more indicative: the major political party in America is now openly running on anti-Semitism.


Today, the Democrat Party is strongly anti-Semitic.




One reason for the political conjugality of Progressives and Islamists is the hatred, by both, of Christianity, as seen here:

"We tell the Christians everywhere that the Islamic state will spread by Allah’s will. It [the Islamic state] will get to you even if you are safe in your fortresses. Who ever converts to Islam, he will have peace and who accepts the Dhimmi status will be at peace. But who rejects our terms he will receive nothing from us except the sharpness of the sword.
Men will be slaughtered and the women and children will be enslaved and their monies are confiscated as booty. This is the rule of Allah and his prophet. And to Allah is the pride and also to the believers but the hypocrites do not understand." ISIS spokesperson, his name is Anas Al-Nashwan(code name Abu Malik Al-Tamimi) of Saudi Arabia and has a masters degree in Sharia.


And, in the service of the Progressive-Islamist Alliance, in his prime-time speech to the nation on the eve of the 13th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, President Obama vowed that the Islamic State terrorists “are not Islamic.”

Because AIPAC is in the USA & not in the UK.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why is the American public still in Israel’s corner, unlike the Brit’s?



11. “In America, the churches have been in the forefront of the defense of Western values. Some of the strongest support for Israel comes from evangelical Christians. In Britain, by contrast, the Church of England has been in the forefront of the retreat from the Judeo-Christian heritage. At every stage it has sought to appease the forces of secularism, accommodating itself to family breakdown, seeking to be nonjudgmental and embracing multiculturalism.”
Phillips, Op. Cit.

If the comparison of America and Great Britain in terms of the defense of Western Civilization is a valid one, and it is, then the attacks on Jews is even more indicative: the major political party in America is now openly running on anti-Semitism.


Today, the Democrat Party is strongly anti-Semitic.




One reason for the political conjugality of Progressives and Islamists is the hatred, by both, of Christianity, as seen here:

"We tell the Christians everywhere that the Islamic state will spread by Allah’s will. It [the Islamic state] will get to you even if you are safe in your fortresses. Who ever converts to Islam, he will have peace and who accepts the Dhimmi status will be at peace. But who rejects our terms he will receive nothing from us except the sharpness of the sword.
Men will be slaughtered and the women and children will be enslaved and their monies are confiscated as booty. This is the rule of Allah and his prophet. And to Allah is the pride and also to the believers but the hypocrites do not understand." ISIS spokesperson, his name is Anas Al-Nashwan(code name Abu Malik Al-Tamimi) of Saudi Arabia and has a masters degree in Sharia.


And, in the service of the Progressive-Islamist Alliance, in his prime-time speech to the nation on the eve of the 13th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, President Obama vowed that the Islamic State terrorists “are not Islamic.”

Because AIPAC is in the USA & not in the UK.

What does AIPAC have to do with anything?