Gone- But Not Forgotten

[Dan Stubbs]

England. Our sister nation.
Gone in so very many ways.



We can’t forget how much of our heritage we gained, took, from England,…Great Britain after 1707….


1.Our legal system…. In 528 Tribonian was selected, with John the Cappodocian, to prepare the new imperial legal code, the Codex Juris Civilis, or the Code of Justinian.. Rome had a legal system dating back to the ‘Twelve Tables,’ written in 451 BCE, based on the 6th century BCE work of Solon of Athens. Rome, unlike Greece, treated the interpretation of law (statutes and precedents) as a profession. In 530 a second commission led by Tribonian had the objective of revising the way lawyers were educated. Fifteen centuries later, the Codex still exerts its influence on Europe and is known as the Civil Law tradition.

The Inquisition, Renaissance, the Napoleonic Code, and the Holocaust are all, in part, an outgrowth of the lex regia: “The will of the prince has the force of law.”( Quod principi placuit, legis haget vigorem) Today, European law gives preeminence to legislatures, the institution that drafted the statute prevails. In Anglo-American Common Law tradition, the institution that interprets and adjudicates the statute has the final word. Due to the absence of a jury, and the deference to whomever writes the laws, Civil Law tradition is friendlier to tyrannical regimes than the Common Law tradition. Under Justinians’ code the emperor is named nomos empsychos, “law incarnate.” [See “Justinian’s Flea,” Rosen]



2. The Magna Carta….Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty





3. But, alas, the great and once noble nation has thrown in the towel, bowed to the threats and behavior of a 7th century barbarian cult.

“When the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced in October 2005 that he intended to "wipe Israel off the map," Britain, along with the rest of the civilized world, expressed shock and revulsion. Yet, two days later, thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of London to demand that Israel meet precisely such a fate.

While shocked demonstrators in Italy, Hungary, Austria and France waved around placards asking "Israel today, Europe tomorrow?", London resounded instead to shouts for Israel's destruction. Thousands of demonstrators marched through the city to mark "Al-Quds day"—when Muslims express solidarity with the Palestinian Arabs— on what was effectively a British march for genocide.

The crowd chanted: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free," "Zionism, terrorism" and "We are all Hezbollah"; and no one turned a hair.”
Phillips, “Londonistan,” P. 116




How to explain the reversal from the people who braved the Nazi bombings….”We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.” Churchill….

…..to a people ready to don the headscarf and grab the ankles?



And….is this a sign of our future, as well?

The Brits have lost the will to get down and dirty, and fight for the rights that they have. Americans will fight, even if we are of diff races, but there always have been those within the Nation who would like a King to rules if only in the name of the real power. Who are these people, well the rich and those who are radical. We have many of those. Even during WWII hundred of thousands were wanting Germany to win. Only problems was Majority of the Americans got pissed off about the Pearl Harbor incident, and you know how that turned out. Yet the lower educated? people don't teach History or any subject that brings out the past real history of the Nation, good and bad. They need to know the truth about us. In God We trust, everyone else we question.

 

[PoliticalChic]

England. Our sister nation.
Gone in so very many ways.



We can’t forget how much of our heritage we gained, took, from England,…Great Britain after 1707….


1.Our legal system…. In 528 Tribonian was selected, with John the Cappodocian, to prepare the new imperial legal code, the Codex Juris Civilis, or the Code of Justinian.. Rome had a legal system dating back to the ‘Twelve Tables,’ written in 451 BCE, based on the 6th century BCE work of Solon of Athens. Rome, unlike Greece, treated the interpretation of law (statutes and precedents) as a profession. In 530 a second commission led by Tribonian had the objective of revising the way lawyers were educated. Fifteen centuries later, the Codex still exerts its influence on Europe and is known as the Civil Law tradition.

The Inquisition, Renaissance, the Napoleonic Code, and the Holocaust are all, in part, an outgrowth of the lex regia: “The will of the prince has the force of law.”( Quod principi placuit, legis haget vigorem) Today, European law gives preeminence to legislatures, the institution that drafted the statute prevails. In Anglo-American Common Law tradition, the institution that interprets and adjudicates the statute has the final word. Due to the absence of a jury, and the deference to whomever writes the laws, Civil Law tradition is friendlier to tyrannical regimes than the Common Law tradition. Under Justinians’ code the emperor is named nomos empsychos, “law incarnate.” [See “Justinian’s Flea,” Rosen]



2. The Magna Carta….Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty





3. But, alas, the great and once noble nation has thrown in the towel, bowed to the threats and behavior of a 7th century barbarian cult.

“When the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced in October 2005 that he intended to "wipe Israel off the map," Britain, along with the rest of the civilized world, expressed shock and revulsion. Yet, two days later, thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of London to demand that Israel meet precisely such a fate.

While shocked demonstrators in Italy, Hungary, Austria and France waved around placards asking "Israel today, Europe tomorrow?", London resounded instead to shouts for Israel's destruction. Thousands of demonstrators marched through the city to mark "Al-Quds day"—when Muslims express solidarity with the Palestinian Arabs— on what was effectively a British march for genocide.

The crowd chanted: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free," "Zionism, terrorism" and "We are all Hezbollah"; and no one turned a hair.”
Phillips, “Londonistan,” P. 116




How to explain the reversal from the people who braved the Nazi bombings….”We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.” Churchill….

…..to a people ready to don the headscarf and grab the ankles?



And….is this a sign of our future, as well?

The Brits have lost the will to get down and dirty, and fight for the rights that they have. Americans will fight, even if we are of diff races, but there always have been those within the Nation who would like a King to rules if only in the name of the real power. Who are these people, well the rich and those who are radical. We have many of those. Even during WWII hundred of thousands were wanting Germany to win. Only problems was Majority of the Americans got pissed off about the Pearl Harbor incident, and you know how that turned out. Yet the lower educated? people don't teach History or any subject that brings out the past real history of the Nation, good and bad. They need to know the truth about us. In God We trust, everyone else we question.

That is the thesis in this thread.


Explained why in my next post.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

 

[Capri]

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.

So you say there's no real difference between "Nazis," Communists, and Democrats, then support that with Communists' statements of their goals. The comparison between Communists and Democrats holds up very well. The "Nazis, though, fought the communists and today's successors of the originals stand against communism and its agenda. Lumping "Nazis" with Communists really makes no sense.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.

c. Bernie Sanders' Democrats singing the Internationale

Thank you for both of your replies PoliticalChic.

Your point c above doesn't really mean anything. Was it supposed to be that Sanders supporters raised their arms? That's a common way to both salute and to express solidarity. What they're doing isn't similar to the Roman salute used by National Socialists.

Point b is unarguably so but both being socialists doesn't mean they're the same. That national and international distinction is a huge one. Also, while both take a somewhat different but decidedly socialist approach to matters of the economy, their are vital differences in other matters.

The quote in point a is factually accurate but the statement in isolation tells an incomplete picture. Hitler also often stated that his socialism and thus that of the NSDAP were sharply distinct from that of Marxist socialism. He draw distinctions not only about the internationalism v nationalism but also about the value of individual labor, personal reward for ones initiative or innovation, the importance of spirituality, and the value of the traditional family structure, to name a few examples.

You've made it clear why you lump together modern Democrats, Communists, and National Socialists but the National Socialists just don't fit the assertion that all three are like peas in a pod. Looking back at the 13 points you listed in your earlier post #34, only 3 of those goals could be considered among those of "NAZIS" past or present, the ones about influencing media and education. "NAZIS" stood/stand in direct opposition to the other 10.

"The Internationale
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
For the Billy Bragg album, see The Internationale (album). For the Brainiac EP, see Internationale (EP).
"The Internationale"

"L'Internationale", original French version
International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

"The Internationale" (French: "L'Internationale") is a left-wing anthem. It has been a standard of the socialist movement since the late nineteenth century, when the Second International adopted it as its official anthem. The title arises from the "First International", an alliance of workers which held a congress in 1864. The author of the anthem's lyrics, Eugène Pottier, an anarchist, attended this congress.[1][2]
"The Internationale" has been celebrated by anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, and social democrats.[3][4]"
The Internationale - Wikipedia
.

Interesting and certainly reinforces your point re: Sanders' & modern progressives' kinship with communism. At the same, it reinforces my point re: National Socialism not being rightly grouped with Marxist and modern Democrat progressive ideology. As it says:

International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

National Socialist movement isn't on the list.
The closest thing to a NS anthem is the Horst Wessel song. The first verse of that song speaks against the Red Front, which was the German Communist Party paramilitary group.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nazis, Communists, Democrats......distinctions without difference.

So you say there's no real difference between "Nazis," Communists, and Democrats, then support that with Communists' statements of their goals. The comparison between Communists and Democrats holds up very well. The "Nazis, though, fought the communists and today's successors of the originals stand against communism and its agenda. Lumping "Nazis" with Communists really makes no sense.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.

c. Bernie Sanders' Democrats singing the Internationale

Thank you for both of your replies PoliticalChic.

Your point c above doesn't really mean anything. Was it supposed to be that Sanders supporters raised their arms? That's a common way to both salute and to express solidarity. What they're doing isn't similar to the Roman salute used by National Socialists.

Point b is unarguably so but both being socialists doesn't mean they're the same. That national and international distinction is a huge one. Also, while both take a somewhat different but decidedly socialist approach to matters of the economy, their are vital differences in other matters.

The quote in point a is factually accurate but the statement in isolation tells an incomplete picture. Hitler also often stated that his socialism and thus that of the NSDAP were sharply distinct from that of Marxist socialism. He draw distinctions not only about the internationalism v nationalism but also about the value of individual labor, personal reward for ones initiative or innovation, the importance of spirituality, and the value of the traditional family structure, to name a few examples.

You've made it clear why you lump together modern Democrats, Communists, and National Socialists but the National Socialists just don't fit the assertion that all three are like peas in a pod. Looking back at the 13 points you listed in your earlier post #34, only 3 of those goals could be considered among those of "NAZIS" past or present, the ones about influencing media and education. "NAZIS" stood/stand in direct opposition to the other 10.

"The Internationale
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
For the Billy Bragg album, see The Internationale (album). For the Brainiac EP, see Internationale (EP).
"The Internationale"

"L'Internationale", original French version
International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

"The Internationale" (French: "L'Internationale") is a left-wing anthem. It has been a standard of the socialist movement since the late nineteenth century, when the Second International adopted it as its official anthem. The title arises from the "First International", an alliance of workers which held a congress in 1864. The author of the anthem's lyrics, Eugène Pottier, an anarchist, attended this congress.[1][2]
"The Internationale" has been celebrated by anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, and social democrats.[3][4]"
The Internationale - Wikipedia
.

Interesting and certainly reinforces your point re: Sanders' & modern progressives' kinship with communism. At the same, it reinforces my point re: National Socialism not being rightly grouped with Marxist and modern Democrat progressive ideology. As it says:

International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

National Socialist movement isn't on the list.
The closest thing to a NS anthem is the Horst Wessel song. The first verse of that song speaks against the Red Front, which was the German Communist Party paramilitary group.

Nazism and Communism are hardly different.

Think the the Menendez Brothers.



I recommend this as a remedial:

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." Telling the Soviet story



You may come away with a different understanding.

 

[PoliticalChic]

13. Second only to the Anglican Church giving up it’s role as guardian of Christianity, and accepting Islam as its equal, is the abject ignorance of the British people, about the history of Islam.



“Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet." He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty."
November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson. Official British document, Foreign Office File No. 371/20822 E 7201/22/31; Elie Kedourie, Islam in the Modern World, (London: Mansell, 1980), pp. 69-72.

The Saudi Kings are the keepers of the holiest sites in Islam.




This blood lust comes directly from the behavior of Muhammad, memorialized in the Q'ran.....
"... the term Perfect Man used to describe The Prophet Muhammad....When a human being becomes a Perfect Man he reflects all the Divine attributes....For Muslims the primary example of the Perfect Man is the Prophet Muhammad. ... it is the duty of every Muslim to emulate him. ."
The Doctrine of the Perfect Man Al-Insan al-Kamil and its Significance Today




The timeframe for the jihad, the war against the West is not from 1948, the end of the British Mandate, or from 1967, the war of extermination, it is from the year circa 600.

“…the fight against Israel is not fundamentally about land. It is about hatred of the Jews. It is certainly not about the absence of a separate state of Palestine, which was on offer in 1936, 1948 and 2000, and could have been established at any time between 1948 and 1967 by Jordan and Egypt. The agenda here remains the extermination of the Jewish state itself. The reason is that the Jews are hated, the hatred is rooted in religion, and this hatred lies at the core of the war against the West.”
Phillips, Op.Cit.



You can see that the enmity has nothing to do with the modern state of Israel, and everything to do with the history of Islam.



Who is ready to claim that American government school grads are any more astute and learned about history.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

What has happened to the English?

The same thing that has happened to the USA, Germany, Canada, and well the "Western Europeans"

It's called Capitalist Individualism, and Kosher Cultural Marxism.

The Capitalist Individualists say judge the individual, not the group, they say groups don't matter, but what they get, and need.
That it's the freedom of Capitalists to sell Liberal & degenerate values into the mainstream through Media, Hollywood, Pornography, social Media, and to hire Illegal immigrants, or to outsource jobs to Communist China, and so forth.

To make matters worse, the Kosher Globalists have hijacked each of the above, they have taken over a lot of things, and have promoted Cultural-Marxist ideals, to collapse Western society.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

What has happened to the English?

The same thing that has happened to the USA, Germany, Canada, and well the "Western Europeans"

It's called Capitalist Individualism, and Kosher Cultural Marxism.

The Capitalist Individualists say judge the individual, not the group, they say groups don't matter, but what they get, and need.
That it's the freedom of Capitalists to sell Liberal & degenerate values into the mainstream through Media, Hollywood, Pornography, social Media, and to hire Illegal immigrants, or to outsource jobs to Communist China, and so forth.

To make matters worse, the Kosher Globalists have hijacked each of the above, they have taken over a lot of things, and have promoted Cultural-Marxist ideals, to collapse Western society.

Let's try again.


12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So you say there's no real difference between "Nazis," Communists, and Democrats, then support that with Communists' statements of their goals. The comparison between Communists and Democrats holds up very well. The "Nazis, though, fought the communists and today's successors of the originals stand against communism and its agenda. Lumping "Nazis" with Communists really makes no sense.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.

c. Bernie Sanders' Democrats singing the Internationale

Thank you for both of your replies PoliticalChic.

Your point c above doesn't really mean anything. Was it supposed to be that Sanders supporters raised their arms? That's a common way to both salute and to express solidarity. What they're doing isn't similar to the Roman salute used by National Socialists.

Point b is unarguably so but both being socialists doesn't mean they're the same. That national and international distinction is a huge one. Also, while both take a somewhat different but decidedly socialist approach to matters of the economy, their are vital differences in other matters.

The quote in point a is factually accurate but the statement in isolation tells an incomplete picture. Hitler also often stated that his socialism and thus that of the NSDAP were sharply distinct from that of Marxist socialism. He draw distinctions not only about the internationalism v nationalism but also about the value of individual labor, personal reward for ones initiative or innovation, the importance of spirituality, and the value of the traditional family structure, to name a few examples.

You've made it clear why you lump together modern Democrats, Communists, and National Socialists but the National Socialists just don't fit the assertion that all three are like peas in a pod. Looking back at the 13 points you listed in your earlier post #34, only 3 of those goals could be considered among those of "NAZIS" past or present, the ones about influencing media and education. "NAZIS" stood/stand in direct opposition to the other 10.

"The Internationale
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
For the Billy Bragg album, see The Internationale (album). For the Brainiac EP, see Internationale (EP).
"The Internationale"

"L'Internationale", original French version
International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

"The Internationale" (French: "L'Internationale") is a left-wing anthem. It has been a standard of the socialist movement since the late nineteenth century, when the Second International adopted it as its official anthem. The title arises from the "First International", an alliance of workers which held a congress in 1864. The author of the anthem's lyrics, Eugène Pottier, an anarchist, attended this congress.[1][2]
"The Internationale" has been celebrated by anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, and social democrats.[3][4]"
The Internationale - Wikipedia
.

Interesting and certainly reinforces your point re: Sanders' & modern progressives' kinship with communism. At the same, it reinforces my point re: National Socialism not being rightly grouped with Marxist and modern Democrat progressive ideology. As it says:

International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

National Socialist movement isn't on the list.
The closest thing to a NS anthem is the Horst Wessel song. The first verse of that song speaks against the Red Front, which was the German Communist Party paramilitary group.

Nazism and Communism are hardly different.

Think the the Menendez Brothers.



I recommend this as a remedial:

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." Telling the Soviet story



You may come away with a different understanding.

No, Because Nazis don't abolish private property, or private enterprise.

Also because Nazis are for Traditional, Hierarchy, Religious, and Patriotic (Nationalist) values.

The Fascists properly understand that in order to combat Kosher Capitalists spreading Cultural Marxism, that the iron fist must regulate them.

But, of course Kosher CUCKS like you worship Kosher Capitalists beyond all else, because of very simple intellects.

 

[beautress]

I invoke Godwin's Law, so you lose the argument without even one rebuttal. Nice going NorthKoreaChic.

Godwin's law only applies to someone in a general discussion tries to inflict his opponent with Nazism and the Nazi world. This is not a general but a specific forum in which is directly influenced by people who dealt with the Nazi world. Your racial slur is reported.

 

[PoliticalChic]

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.

c. Bernie Sanders' Democrats singing the Internationale

Thank you for both of your replies PoliticalChic.

Your point c above doesn't really mean anything. Was it supposed to be that Sanders supporters raised their arms? That's a common way to both salute and to express solidarity. What they're doing isn't similar to the Roman salute used by National Socialists.

Point b is unarguably so but both being socialists doesn't mean they're the same. That national and international distinction is a huge one. Also, while both take a somewhat different but decidedly socialist approach to matters of the economy, their are vital differences in other matters.

The quote in point a is factually accurate but the statement in isolation tells an incomplete picture. Hitler also often stated that his socialism and thus that of the NSDAP were sharply distinct from that of Marxist socialism. He draw distinctions not only about the internationalism v nationalism but also about the value of individual labor, personal reward for ones initiative or innovation, the importance of spirituality, and the value of the traditional family structure, to name a few examples.

You've made it clear why you lump together modern Democrats, Communists, and National Socialists but the National Socialists just don't fit the assertion that all three are like peas in a pod. Looking back at the 13 points you listed in your earlier post #34, only 3 of those goals could be considered among those of "NAZIS" past or present, the ones about influencing media and education. "NAZIS" stood/stand in direct opposition to the other 10.

"The Internationale
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
For the Billy Bragg album, see The Internationale (album). For the Brainiac EP, see Internationale (EP).
"The Internationale"

"L'Internationale", original French version
International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

"The Internationale" (French: "L'Internationale") is a left-wing anthem. It has been a standard of the socialist movement since the late nineteenth century, when the Second International adopted it as its official anthem. The title arises from the "First International", an alliance of workers which held a congress in 1864. The author of the anthem's lyrics, Eugène Pottier, an anarchist, attended this congress.[1][2]
"The Internationale" has been celebrated by anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, and social democrats.[3][4]"
The Internationale - Wikipedia
.

Interesting and certainly reinforces your point re: Sanders' & modern progressives' kinship with communism. At the same, it reinforces my point re: National Socialism not being rightly grouped with Marxist and modern Democrat progressive ideology. As it says:

International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

National Socialist movement isn't on the list.
The closest thing to a NS anthem is the Horst Wessel song. The first verse of that song speaks against the Red Front, which was the German Communist Party paramilitary group.

Nazism and Communism are hardly different.

Think the the Menendez Brothers.



I recommend this as a remedial:

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." Telling the Soviet story



You may come away with a different understanding.

No, Because Nazis don't abolish private property, or private enterprise.

Also because Nazis are for Traditional, Hierarchy, Religious, and Patriotic (Nationalist) values.

The Fascists properly understand that in order to combat Kosher Capitalists spreading Cultural Marxism, that the iron fist must regulate them.

But, of course Kosher CUCKS like you worship Kosher Capitalists beyond all else, because of very simple intellects.

Gads, you're a fool.


Of course, just like any Leftist doctrine, they abolish private property.


"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.



2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed. The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.


4. . What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.




5. De facto government ownership of the means of production... was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State."
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

What has happened to the English?

The same thing that has happened to the USA, Germany, Canada, and well the "Western Europeans"

It's called Capitalist Individualism, and Kosher Cultural Marxism.

The Capitalist Individualists say judge the individual, not the group, they say groups don't matter, but what they get, and need.
That it's the freedom of Capitalists to sell Liberal & degenerate values into the mainstream through Media, Hollywood, Pornography, social Media, and to hire Illegal immigrants, or to outsource jobs to Communist China, and so forth.

To make matters worse, the Kosher Globalists have hijacked each of the above, they have taken over a lot of things, and have promoted Cultural-Marxist ideals, to collapse Western society.

Let's try again.


12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

It's largely that Western Europeans are very Individualistic, and easily Indoctrinated.

Czechs are mostly Atheist, they resisted the Islamic refugees, because of the fact they're somewhat Collectivist, with almost no Kosher Cultural Marxist Capitalists.

Chinese are also mostly Atheist, and they are extremely Nationalistic, because of the fact they've mega Collectivists, with basically no Kosher Cultural Marxist Capitalists.

It's not the Islamists who are the #1 problem.

The #1 problem are the Kosher Globalists.

 

[beautress]

News flash, We fought wars to keep from being Britain.

She's so dumb, she could be Polish.

You just can't stop the racial slurs, can you. Sicko.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

What has happened to the English?

The same thing that has happened to the USA, Germany, Canada, and well the "Western Europeans"

It's called Capitalist Individualism, and Kosher Cultural Marxism.

The Capitalist Individualists say judge the individual, not the group, they say groups don't matter, but what they get, and need.
That it's the freedom of Capitalists to sell Liberal & degenerate values into the mainstream through Media, Hollywood, Pornography, social Media, and to hire Illegal immigrants, or to outsource jobs to Communist China, and so forth.

To make matters worse, the Kosher Globalists have hijacked each of the above, they have taken over a lot of things, and have promoted Cultural-Marxist ideals, to collapse Western society.

Let's try again.


12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

It's largely that Western Europeans are very Individualistic, and easily Indoctrinated.

Czechs are mostly Atheist, they resisted the Islamic refugees, because of the fact they're somewhat Collectivist, with almost no Kosher Cultural Marxist Capitalists.

Chinese are also mostly Atheist, and they are extremely Nationalistic, because of the fact they've mega Collectivists, with basically no Kosher Cultural Marxist Capitalists.

It's not the Islamists who are the #1 problem.

The #1 problem are the Kosher Globalists.

I see.....this is really about the 3 million Jewish persons your Poles helped the Nazis kill, and you attempt to assuage the guilt.


This doesn't pertain to this thread....get lost.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

England. Our sister nation.
Gone in so very many ways.



We can’t forget how much of our heritage we gained, took, from England,…Great Britain after 1707….


1.Our legal system…. In 528 Tribonian was selected, with John the Cappodocian, to prepare the new imperial legal code, the Codex Juris Civilis, or the Code of Justinian.. Rome had a legal system dating back to the ‘Twelve Tables,’ written in 451 BCE, based on the 6th century BCE work of Solon of Athens. Rome, unlike Greece, treated the interpretation of law (statutes and precedents) as a profession. In 530 a second commission led by Tribonian had the objective of revising the way lawyers were educated. Fifteen centuries later, the Codex still exerts its influence on Europe and is known as the Civil Law tradition.

The Inquisition, Renaissance, the Napoleonic Code, and the Holocaust are all, in part, an outgrowth of the lex regia: “The will of the prince has the force of law.”( Quod principi placuit, legis haget vigorem) Today, European law gives preeminence to legislatures, the institution that drafted the statute prevails. In Anglo-American Common Law tradition, the institution that interprets and adjudicates the statute has the final word. Due to the absence of a jury, and the deference to whomever writes the laws, Civil Law tradition is friendlier to tyrannical regimes than the Common Law tradition. Under Justinians’ code the emperor is named nomos empsychos, “law incarnate.” [See “Justinian’s Flea,” Rosen]



2. The Magna Carta….Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty





3. But, alas, the great and once noble nation has thrown in the towel, bowed to the threats and behavior of a 7th century barbarian cult.

“When the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced in October 2005 that he intended to "wipe Israel off the map," Britain, along with the rest of the civilized world, expressed shock and revulsion. Yet, two days later, thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of London to demand that Israel meet precisely such a fate.

While shocked demonstrators in Italy, Hungary, Austria and France waved around placards asking "Israel today, Europe tomorrow?", London resounded instead to shouts for Israel's destruction. Thousands of demonstrators marched through the city to mark "Al-Quds day"—when Muslims express solidarity with the Palestinian Arabs— on what was effectively a British march for genocide.

The crowd chanted: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free," "Zionism, terrorism" and "We are all Hezbollah"; and no one turned a hair.”
Phillips, “Londonistan,” P. 116




How to explain the reversal from the people who braved the Nazi bombings….”We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.” Churchill….

…..to a people ready to don the headscarf and grab the ankles?



And….is this a sign of our future, as well?

Great post

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Thank you for both of your replies PoliticalChic.

Your point c above doesn't really mean anything. Was it supposed to be that Sanders supporters raised their arms? That's a common way to both salute and to express solidarity. What they're doing isn't similar to the Roman salute used by National Socialists.

Point b is unarguably so but both being socialists doesn't mean they're the same. That national and international distinction is a huge one. Also, while both take a somewhat different but decidedly socialist approach to matters of the economy, their are vital differences in other matters.

The quote in point a is factually accurate but the statement in isolation tells an incomplete picture. Hitler also often stated that his socialism and thus that of the NSDAP were sharply distinct from that of Marxist socialism. He draw distinctions not only about the internationalism v nationalism but also about the value of individual labor, personal reward for ones initiative or innovation, the importance of spirituality, and the value of the traditional family structure, to name a few examples.

You've made it clear why you lump together modern Democrats, Communists, and National Socialists but the National Socialists just don't fit the assertion that all three are like peas in a pod. Looking back at the 13 points you listed in your earlier post #34, only 3 of those goals could be considered among those of "NAZIS" past or present, the ones about influencing media and education. "NAZIS" stood/stand in direct opposition to the other 10.

"The Internationale
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
For the Billy Bragg album, see The Internationale (album). For the Brainiac EP, see Internationale (EP).
"The Internationale"

"L'Internationale", original French version
International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

"The Internationale" (French: "L'Internationale") is a left-wing anthem. It has been a standard of the socialist movement since the late nineteenth century, when the Second International adopted it as its official anthem. The title arises from the "First International", an alliance of workers which held a congress in 1864. The author of the anthem's lyrics, Eugène Pottier, an anarchist, attended this congress.[1][2]
"The Internationale" has been celebrated by anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, and social democrats.[3][4]"
The Internationale - Wikipedia
.

Interesting and certainly reinforces your point re: Sanders' & modern progressives' kinship with communism. At the same, it reinforces my point re: National Socialism not being rightly grouped with Marxist and modern Democrat progressive ideology. As it says:

International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

National Socialist movement isn't on the list.
The closest thing to a NS anthem is the Horst Wessel song. The first verse of that song speaks against the Red Front, which was the German Communist Party paramilitary group.

Nazism and Communism are hardly different.

Think the the Menendez Brothers.



I recommend this as a remedial:

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." Telling the Soviet story



You may come away with a different understanding.

No, Because Nazis don't abolish private property, or private enterprise.

Also because Nazis are for Traditional, Hierarchy, Religious, and Patriotic (Nationalist) values.

The Fascists properly understand that in order to combat Kosher Capitalists spreading Cultural Marxism, that the iron fist must regulate them.

But, of course Kosher CUCKS like you worship Kosher Capitalists beyond all else, because of very simple intellects.

Gads, you're a fool.


Of course, just like any Leftist doctrine, they abolish private property.


"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.



2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed. The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.


4. . What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.




5. De facto government ownership of the means of production... was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State."
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman

Wrong, on all accounts.

First off, being Socialist, or Authoritarian has no actual impact on Left vs Right wing.

Actually, everybody was an Authoritarian before Capitalism came about.

The first Left Wingers were actually Capitalists for Democracy, and Freedom in the French Revolution, against the Monarchist Right Wingers who were for Monarchy, Authoritarian, Cultural, and Traditional values.

Second off.
Nazis are indeed Far-Right, because they are extreme Nationalists, for extreme Hierarchy like Racism, or Social Darwinism, and for Traditional, Religious & Cultural values.

There might be minor things about Nazis which may have been Left wing, for example Euthanasia, and forced Abortions against the enemies could be considered as such.

But, in reality, Republicans are Leftists, and Liberals compared to Nazi Germany.

Third off.
Fascist / Right Authoritarianism would effectively combat all the Liberal Capitalist ills, like Media, Hollywood, Pornography, Prostitution, Illicit drugs, Abortion, Outsourced jobs, hired Illegal Immigrants etc.

Capitalism allows for freedom for the Kosher Cultural Marxists to destroy your society, with Liberal & degenerate values of indoctrination.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I invoke Godwin's Law, so you lose the argument without even one rebuttal. Nice going NorthKoreaChic.

Racist! Shes ten times the AMERICAN you are.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

What has happened to the English?

The same thing that has happened to the USA, Germany, Canada, and well the "Western Europeans"

It's called Capitalist Individualism, and Kosher Cultural Marxism.

The Capitalist Individualists say judge the individual, not the group, they say groups don't matter, but what they get, and need.
That it's the freedom of Capitalists to sell Liberal & degenerate values into the mainstream through Media, Hollywood, Pornography, social Media, and to hire Illegal immigrants, or to outsource jobs to Communist China, and so forth.

To make matters worse, the Kosher Globalists have hijacked each of the above, they have taken over a lot of things, and have promoted Cultural-Marxist ideals, to collapse Western society.

Let's try again.


12. What has happened to the English?


Britain is “…a society that has lost its moral compass and descended into the nihilism of moral relativism,…. The prevailing view, as one bishop observed, is that "there is no one truth, and we all have to respect each other's truths."

…unlike the American churches where evangelical Christians are in the majority, the Church of England is dominated by liberals who control its bureaucracy and its thinking process…. it tends to go with the flow, even when that flow is in the direction of religious, moral and social collapse…. worship of social liberalism.

That of course leads directly to the view (not stated by the Church) that polygamy, female circumcision or the stoning of adulterers must be regarded as of equal merit to the concept of human dignity at the heart of Christianity.” Phillips, Op. Cit.




Hence, “… two absolutely fundamental problems for the Church.
The first is that the dominant contemporary political force within Islam is an ideology that seeks to destroy Christianity and its values.
The second is that, because the Church has failed to resolve its deeply ambiguous and conflict-laden attitude towards the Jews, it cannot recognize the threat posed by Islamism to the Jews and beyond them to the free world.

Instead, it has allowed itself to absorb much of the Islamist and Arab narrative of hostility to Israel and the Jews, thus positioning itself as an unwitting ally of those who would destroy Christianity itself.”
Ibid.




Can America resist the trend?

We may get an indication in the next election.

It's largely that Western Europeans are very Individualistic, and easily Indoctrinated.

Czechs are mostly Atheist, they resisted the Islamic refugees, because of the fact they're somewhat Collectivist, with almost no Kosher Cultural Marxist Capitalists.

Chinese are also mostly Atheist, and they are extremely Nationalistic, because of the fact they've mega Collectivists, with basically no Kosher Cultural Marxist Capitalists.

It's not the Islamists who are the #1 problem.

The #1 problem are the Kosher Globalists.

I see.....this is really about the 3 million Jewish persons your Poles helped the Nazis kill, and you attempt to assuage the guilt.


This doesn't pertain to this thread....get lost.

I don't know what's more stupid.

That you think that Kosher people are king, and aren't f*cking up the USA with Liberalism.
or
That you think Poland killed 3 million Jews.

You're definitely not very bright, to say the very least.

 

[MaryL]

When I was kiddo, I used to have this sneaking admiration for the English. My forefathers came here from England. How England has been corrupted by immigration..[

 

[beautress]

"The Internationale
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
For the Billy Bragg album, see The Internationale (album). For the Brainiac EP, see Internationale (EP).
"The Internationale"

"L'Internationale", original French version
International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

"The Internationale" (French: "L'Internationale") is a left-wing anthem. It has been a standard of the socialist movement since the late nineteenth century, when the Second International adopted it as its official anthem. The title arises from the "First International", an alliance of workers which held a congress in 1864. The author of the anthem's lyrics, Eugène Pottier, an anarchist, attended this congress.[1][2]
"The Internationale" has been celebrated by anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, and social democrats.[3][4]"
The Internationale - Wikipedia
.

Interesting and certainly reinforces your point re: Sanders' & modern progressives' kinship with communism. At the same, it reinforces my point re: National Socialism not being rightly grouped with Marxist and modern Democrat progressive ideology. As it says:

International anthem of

• The Communist movement,
• The Anarchist movement,
• The Socialist movement,
• The Democratic Socialist movement,
• The Social Democratic movement

National Socialist movement isn't on the list.
The closest thing to a NS anthem is the Horst Wessel song. The first verse of that song speaks against the Red Front, which was the German Communist Party paramilitary group.

Nazism and Communism are hardly different.

Think the the Menendez Brothers.



I recommend this as a remedial:

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." Telling the Soviet story



You may come away with a different understanding.

No, Because Nazis don't abolish private property, or private enterprise.

Also because Nazis are for Traditional, Hierarchy, Religious, and Patriotic (Nationalist) values.

The Fascists properly understand that in order to combat Kosher Capitalists spreading Cultural Marxism, that the iron fist must regulate them.

But, of course Kosher CUCKS like you worship Kosher Capitalists beyond all else, because of very simple intellects.

Gads, you're a fool.


Of course, just like any Leftist doctrine, they abolish private property.


"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.



2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed. The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.


4. . What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.




5. De facto government ownership of the means of production... was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State."
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman

Wrong, on all accounts.

First off, being Socialist, or Authoritarian has no actual impact on Left vs Right wing.

Actually, everybody was an Authoritarian before Capitalism came about.

The first Left Wingers were actually Capitalists for Democracy, and Freedom in the French Revolution, against the Monarchist Right Wingers who were for Monarchy, Authoritarian, Cultural, and Traditional values.

Second off.
Nazis are indeed Far-Right, because they are extreme Nationalists, for extreme Hierarchy like Racism, or Social Darwinism, and for Traditional, Religious & Cultural values.

There might be minor things about Nazis which may have been Left wing, for example Euthanasia, and forced Abortions against the enemies could be considered as such.

But, in reality, Republicans are Leftists, and Liberals compared to Nazi Germany.

Third off.
Fascist / Right Authoritarianism would effectively combat all the Liberal Capitalist ills, like Media, Hollywood, Pornography, Prostitution, Illicit drugs, Abortion, Outsourced jobs, hired Illegal Immigrants etc.

Capitalism allows for freedom for the Kosher Cultural Marxists to destroy your society, with Liberal & degenerate values of indoctrination.

Man, that's a lot of prune soup, Sob. I think you need a day at the beach, and a big old tire tube all blown up to ride in the salt water and look down on the sea floor at all the pretty fish. Just my opinion. The trouble with education is misapplication of one error onto a whole lot of people who don't deserve to be accused falsely.