Goodbye to bad theology - Workers quietly remove Ten Commandments from Oklahoma Capitol

[pwjohn]

The monument was literally a brand new addition so I fail to see how its removal signifies a decline by any measure.

You fail to see that this story is about more than just 1 individual statue.

The failure is on your part. That you can be assured of. That my friend is why the monument was removed.

 

[the_human_being]

A sad day in America, another sure sign of our decline.

The sad day was when the damn thing was installed. Learn what it means to live in a secular nation, where your faith doesn't get to just shit on all the rest just because you're in the majority.

Well, since you're the OP, it would appear to me that it is YOU who is attempting to impose YOUR views on others. It appears things of a religious nature really bother you. Why? I have seen no one on this thread attempt to impose any views upon you. Can't others besides yourself have opinions and views of their own?

How is it imposing one's views on others by not allowing those others to put their religious codes on government property?

Here's a good rule of thumb to check appropriateness......Would it be JUST AS acceptable to put a monument with Islam's Five Pillars of Faith or Buddhism's EIghtfold Path in front of that same government building? If the answer is yes....go for it. If the answer is no, give it a pass.

Didn't they TAKE IT DOWN? You're still NOT satisfied? May I inquire of you how old you are? Would it ruffle your sensitivities to know that I drive a Nissan Titan while you choose to drive some other make and model? I think you protest too much.

 

[the_human_being]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

please. nobody is pushing for that but you do have a lot of people pushing to have their religion recognized by the government.

Really? Lets look at that case of the cross on the hill in San Diego. There was a plan to sell the parcel so it would be "private property" but the atheists were against it.

Some of them want no reminder of religion in public, and thats not going to happen.

That's not what happened at all....the city attempted to sell the property for very little to a specific organization....NOT at public auction going to the highest bidder as per city law.

Then go down to city hall and lodge a protest in the way it was handled.

 

[the_human_being]

If you own belief structure is threatened by a few words on stone monument, its your own issue.

Should the thing have been there? probably not, but that doesn't mean the people wanting to get rid of it, or place satanistic equivalents out of spite ar right either.

although i agree that someone's faith should not be threatened by some words on a stone monument, i don't think putting that monument in a place of supposed neutrality sends the right message to people that don't ascribe to those words.

It's still not establishment of Religion. The ten commandments have historical value as a basis of the concept of laws.

No they don't.

Nothing in the Constitution is derived from the 10 commandments.

I said laws, not the constitution.

Don't murder, Don't steal, Don't lie. I think there are laws that say the same thing.....

Right...and those laws were around before the 10 Commandments....in all places of the world.

So? Your point is? Or rather I should have said, your bitch is?

 

[easyt65]

The failure is on your part. That you can be assured of. That my friend is why the monument was removed.

So the monument was removed because of lil' ol' me?

 

[the_human_being]

Strange how some of our laws closely mimic the Ten Commandments. Wonder why. Could it be that they actually make sense as an everyday guideline for society to follow?

Well, you may want to note that the Muslims' Quran has pretty much the same caveats as the 10 commandments.

Why would I want to know that? I really don't care what the Quran says. I'm not Muslim. What the Quran says or does not say does not concern me. You Liberals are really coming off looking juvenile here.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

Locked? Don't be silly. You can even open the door if the tax free facility you are in doesn't have air conditioning.

 

[the_human_being]

That's not what happened at all....the city attempted to sell the property for very little to a specific organization....NOT at public auction going to the highest bidder as per city law.

And correct me if I'm wrong, did the sale require the cross to remain in place so that the purchaser of the property couldn't remove it from property they now owned? In other words the sale of the land was rigged to produce a specific outcome.


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Apparently, some people think there should be different, more lenient rules/laws for christians.

What people? Provide your source for these conclusions of yours.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

Not at all, Marty. I don't give a rat's ass what you do in church. Even Westboro assholes can act like idiots...and they do.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

Who on this thread besides the OP has even attempted to force any beliefs on you? Get real. Be honest.

Why would I care what anyone on this thread does? That has absolutely nothing to do with the real world.

 

[martybegan]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

Not at all, Marty. I don't give a rat's ass what you do in church. Even Westboro assholes can act like idiots...and they do.

Religious expression isn't limited to in Church.

 

[martybegan]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

Locked? Don't be silly. You can even open the door if the tax free facility you are in doesn't have air conditioning.

Does this post have a point?

 

[the_human_being]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

Who on this thread besides the OP has even attempted to force any beliefs on you? Get real. Be honest.

Why would I care what anyone on this thread does? That has absolutely nothing to do with the real world.

Exactly. Most adults have learned that other people have different views than they and can easily handle that fact.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

Not at all, Marty. I don't give a rat's ass what you do in church. Even Westboro assholes can act like idiots...and they do.

Religious expression isn't limited to in Church.

That is unfortunate, isn't it. However, it certainly IS limited in our government. Of course, if you want a theocracy, there is always Iran....

 

[HenryBHough]

That one about honoring one's father and mother....yeah, I can see how that pisses liberals off. ALL liberals.

 

[martybegan]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

Not at all, Marty. I don't give a rat's ass what you do in church. Even Westboro assholes can act like idiots...and they do.

Religious expression isn't limited to in Church.

That is unfortunate, isn't it. However, it certainly IS limited in our government. Of course, if you want a theocracy, there is always Iran....

allowing the 10 commandments in front of a courthouse is not supporting theocracy.

Tell me how having that hunk of marble on that property has established a religion? Did it make you join a church/synagogue or mosque? did it magically take 10% of out your wallet as a tithe?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

Who on this thread besides the OP has even attempted to force any beliefs on you? Get real. Be honest.

Why would I care what anyone on this thread does? That has absolutely nothing to do with the real world.

Exactly. Most adults have learned that other people have different views than they and can easily handle that fact.

And most adults understand that your religion has no business in my government. Of course, if you think that the two should be mixed, I am sure that you would not mind the government hanging a picture of Obama next to the cross in your church, would you?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Some people are not going to be satisfied until they bring their church into everyone else's life 24/7, whether they like it or not. This is why it was illegal to open any store on Sunday when I grew up in the South, except gas stations, pharmacy, or food stores.

Fortunately, these days are over.

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

Not at all, Marty. I don't give a rat's ass what you do in church. Even Westboro assholes can act like idiots...and they do.

Religious expression isn't limited to in Church.

That is unfortunate, isn't it. However, it certainly IS limited in our government. Of course, if you want a theocracy, there is always Iran....

allowing the 10 commandments in front of a courthouse is not supporting theocracy.

Tell me how having that hunk of marble on that property has established a religion? Did it make you join a church/synagogue or mosque? did it magically take 10% of out your wallet as a tithe?

Ok. As I said in post 77, turnabout is fair play. You keep the 10 commandments at the court house and the government hangs a picture of Obama next to your cross in your church.

 

[saveliberty]

How is honor your parents, don't kill people, don't steal and respect your neighbor's property bad theocracy?

 

[martybegan]

And the other side will not be happy until religious expressions are forced behind closed, locked doors.

Not at all, Marty. I don't give a rat's ass what you do in church. Even Westboro assholes can act like idiots...and they do.

Religious expression isn't limited to in Church.

That is unfortunate, isn't it. However, it certainly IS limited in our government. Of course, if you want a theocracy, there is always Iran....

allowing the 10 commandments in front of a courthouse is not supporting theocracy.

Tell me how having that hunk of marble on that property has established a religion? Did it make you join a church/synagogue or mosque? did it magically take 10% of out your wallet as a tithe?

Ok. As I said in post 77, turnabout is fair play. You keep the 10 commandments at the court house and the government hangs a picture of Obama next to your cross in your church.

actually that violates free exercise, and some prog will go after the Churches tax exempt status for endorsing a candidate.