GOP Aiming to Cut $4 Trillion

I don't see how medicare will cost less by putting this in to the hands of the "beloved" sic Insurance companies when their dministration costs is over 20% and the administration cost of the us gvt is less than 1%?

The proposal isn't really intended to lower costs per se, it's intended to cap federal expenditures on the elderly and let the chips fall where they may. Until the actual details of the proposal are released, it's difficult to say anything beyond that.
 
Now THAT is a budget plan.

Republicans will present this week a 2012 budget proposal that would cut more than $4 trillion from federal spending projected over the next decade and transform the Medicare health program for the elderly, a move that will dramatically reshape the budget debate in Washington. ...

The plan would essentially end Medicare, which now pays most of the health-care bills for 48 million elderly and disabled Americans, as a program that directly pays those bills. Mr. Ryan and other conservatives say this is necessary because of the program's soaring costs. Medicare cost $396.5 billion in 2010 and is projected to rise to $502.8 billion in 2016. At that pace, spending on the program would have doubled between 2002 and 2016.

Mr. Ryan's proposal would apply to those currently under the age of 55, and, for those Americans would convert Medicare into a "premium support" system. Participants from that group would choose from an array of private insurance plans when they reach 65 and become eligible, and the government would pay about the first $15,000 in premiums. Those who are poorer or less healthy would receive bigger payments than others. ...

The proposal would also convert Medicaid, the health program for the poor, into a series of block grants to give states more flexibility. And it is expected to suggest significant cuts in Social Security, while proposing fewer details on how to achieve them. ...

Conservative activists who are familiar with the Ryan plan said they expect it to call for a fundamental overhaul of the tax system, with a 25% top rate for both individuals and corporations, compared to the current 35% top rate. It is expected to raise about the same amount of money as the current system, however. Lawmakers already are considering ways to accomplish that by reducing or eliminating some deductions and other tax breaks.

Some conservatives also expected the budget plan to tout a temporary tax change that would let U.S. multinationals bring home as much as $1 trillion in profits at a greatly reduced tax rate. That money currently is parked overseas, beyond the reach of U.S. corporate taxation.

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GOP Budget Aim: Cut $4 Trillion From Spending - WSJ.com

The Republicans have been acting like pussies for some time, saying they want to cut the deficit but not cut anything that actually matters. This actually matters. Good for them for having some cahones and laying things on the line. This is a conversation America has to have.

This proposal reminds me of the movie, "Deliverance." In this updated 2011 version of the 1972 movie, Ned Beatty's role of Bobby is being played by everyday average Americans all across the country.
 
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I don't see how medicare will cost less by putting this in to the hands of the "beloved" sic Insurance companies when their dministration costs is over 20% and the administration cost of the us gvt is less than 1%?

Are the republicans just in bed with the insurance companies and this is why they want to do this? this makes no sense what so ever.

And why in the heck did the Republicans create their own Medicare Pill Bill and illegally pass it in the House without raising taxes to pay for it, and without allowing us to negotiate bulk discounts with Pharma and without the ability for States to buy their lower cost drugs in Canada, during the Bush administration?

Was it purposely to make medicare "Wither on the Vine"....

this pisses me off to no end.

the national homeland security and defense budget has gone from $290 billion a year in the year 2000 to now $819 billion A YEAR in total.

WE ONLY COLLECT IN INCOME TAXES $950 billion to 1 trillion a year and over $800 billion of that revenue is used for our total national defense.*

I don't know if putting Medicare into private insurance companies will save in money. It may not. But the government isn't trying to save money. It's trying to cap its own expenses. So Ryan is proposing that the government to provide the first $15k in premiums. If people want more coverage, they'll have to pay for it.
 
I don't see how medicare will cost less by putting this in to the hands of the "beloved" sic Insurance companies when their dministration costs is over 20% and the administration cost of the us gvt is less than 1%?

Are the republicans just in bed with the insurance companies and this is why they want to do this? this makes no sense what so ever.

And why in the heck did the Republicans create their own Medicare Pill Bill and illegally pass it in the House without raising taxes to pay for it, and without allowing us to negotiate bulk discounts with Pharma and without the ability for States to buy their lower cost drugs in Canada, during the Bush administration?

Was it purposely to make medicare "Wither on the Vine"....

this pisses me off to no end.

the national homeland security and defense budget has gone from $290 billion a year in the year 2000 to now $819 billion A YEAR in total.

WE ONLY COLLECT IN INCOME TAXES $950 billion to 1 trillion a year and over $800 billion of that revenue is used for our total national defense.*

MEANS TEST.
Why we pay the medical bills for wealthy seniors is a national disgrace.
25% of all seniors have income over $80,000.00 a year.
Upper middle class WELFARE.
 
It's pretty simple. Start giving everyone free houses, cars, groceries,.....like the government and it's endless charity entitlements right now, put it to a vote and it will not go away. This is what we were warned about by those angry white men who founded the country AKA----- sacking the treasury....and it's not sustainable. Combine endless entitlements with perpetual wars and....voila, we have a government in its death throes.

Typical rightwing overreaction

Helping those less fortunate becomes give everyone everything for free

Meanwhile....the rich accumulate more wealth
 
I don't see how medicare will cost less by putting this in to the hands of the "beloved" sic Insurance companies when their dministration costs is over 20% and the administration cost of the us gvt is less than 1%?

Are the republicans just in bed with the insurance companies and this is why they want to do this? this makes no sense what so ever.

And why in the heck did the Republicans create their own Medicare Pill Bill and illegally pass it in the House without raising taxes to pay for it, and without allowing us to negotiate bulk discounts with Pharma and without the ability for States to buy their lower cost drugs in Canada, during the Bush administration?

Was it purposely to make medicare "Wither on the Vine"....

this pisses me off to no end.

the national homeland security and defense budget has gone from $290 billion a year in the year 2000 to now $819 billion A YEAR in total.

WE ONLY COLLECT IN INCOME TAXES $950 billion to 1 trillion a year and over $800 billion of that revenue is used for our total national defense.*

I don't know if putting Medicare into private insurance companies will save in money. It may not. But the government isn't trying to save money. It's trying to cap its own expenses. So Ryan is proposing that the government to provide the first $15k in premiums. If people want more coverage, they'll have to pay for it.


That's a good start. Let individuals be the purchasers and consumers of their coverage.
 
It's pretty simple. Start giving everyone free houses, cars, groceries,.....like the government and it's endless charity entitlements right now, put it to a vote and it will not go away. This is what we were warned about by those angry white men who founded the country AKA----- sacking the treasury....and it's not sustainable. Combine endless entitlements with perpetual wars and....voila, we have a government in its death throes.

Typical rightwing overreaction

Helping those less fortunate becomes give everyone everything for free

Meanwhile....the rich accumulate more wealth


Were you in a coma during the housing meltdown?
 
The U.S. should cut foreign aid to countries that we have no strategic interest in:

"American foreign aid appropriations have escalated from about $20 billion in 2000 to $50 billion today.

"Almost every single nation on earth gets our foreign aid. The major recipients of the $35 billion in economic aid we dispense are: Afghanistan, $2.6 billion; Israel, $3 billion; Iraq, $766 million; and Egypt, $1.6 billion. But beyond these aid packages, we give Africa $7 billion in economic aid each year. We donate $2 billion to the Western Hemisphere (only about $400 million of it to Haiti). We give Asia, apart from Afghanistan, $2 billion. And we give Europe almost $1 billion.

"Foreign aid has never been politically popular in the United States, and now is the time to put it on the table in the budget talks. If the Democrats want to shut down the government so that we can give more money in foreign aid, let them do it."

More: CUT FOREIGN AID BUDGET NOW at DickMorris.com


Foreign aid is less than 1% of the budget. I am for that but that would not make a dent.
Cutting 1% of the budget would not do anything tosolve the problems we face.
Medicare and all health care with Medicaid and Gramps Dope Plan is almost 1 trillion a damn year.


Yeah and PBS is about .000000001 % of the budget but it has to die according to some to cut spending.
 
you people seem to forget the cost of medical care was skyrocketing in the private sector.
 
Slowly, ever so slowly, the GOP of the Old, Fat, White People--cavorting about Naked on other people's yachts, dumping substance and other treasure into the sea--is signing on to the rest of advanced civililzation! We have see this below, before! In fact it is the great socialist law of last year!

"The plan would essentially end Medicare, which now pays most of the health-care bills for 48 million elderly and disabled Americans, as a program that directly pays those bills. Mr. Ryan and other conservatives say this is necessary because of the program's soaring costs. Medicare cost $396.5 billion in 2010 and is projected to rise to $502.8 billion in 2016. At that pace, spending on the program would have doubled between 2002 and 2016.

Mr. Ryan's proposal would apply to those currently under the age of 55, and, for those Americans would convert Medicare into a "premium support" system. Participants from that group would choose from an array of private insurance plans when they reach 65 and become eligible, and the government would pay about the first $15,000 in premiums. Those who are poorer or less healthy would receive bigger payments than others. ..."

The Boston Tea Party, model for social protest, even in the 60's, now reminds everyone that The More Things Hope and Change, the More Things Stay The Same! That is actually called ObamaCare!

The Republican leadership, at least, can embrace a civilized response to the demonizations mostly characteristic of the Party of Abraham Lincoln--of the Old, Fat, White People--cavoriting about naked on other people's yachts, dumping substance and other treasure into the sea!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Maybe now take back Manhattan Island, in shiny trinkets not called Euros--caused by the Reagan Devaluation era, of the famous Trajectory!)
 
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It's pretty simple. Start giving everyone free houses, cars, groceries,.....like the government and it's endless charity entitlements right now, put it to a vote and it will not go away. This is what we were warned about by those angry white men who founded the country AKA----- sacking the treasury....and it's not sustainable. Combine endless entitlements with perpetual wars and....voila, we have a government in its death throes.

Typical rightwing overreaction

Helping those less fortunate becomes give everyone everything for free

Meanwhile....the rich accumulate more wealth


Were you in a coma during the housing meltdown?

How were those houses free?
 
$400 Billion dollars a year are actual cuts! Glad to see the debate getting revved up, hope it stays revved up.
 
I can see democrats didn't grow up believing "a penny saved is a penny earned" with each proposal for budget cuts their stock answer is yeah but that's only 1%.. All those little pennies add up..
 
Typical rightwing overreaction

Helping those less fortunate becomes give everyone everything for free

Meanwhile....the rich accumulate more wealth


Were you in a coma during the housing meltdown?

How were those houses free?


Not having a down payment, and then not paying the mortgage during months and months, if not years of protracted foreclosure proceedings is pretty much free - temporarily.

The government sponsoring programs such as "everybody DESERVES to own a house" distort the economy, and always blow up in an ugly mess.
 
The U.S. should cut foreign aid to countries that we have no strategic interest in:

"American foreign aid appropriations have escalated from about $20 billion in 2000 to $50 billion today.

"Almost every single nation on earth gets our foreign aid. The major recipients of the $35 billion in economic aid we dispense are: Afghanistan, $2.6 billion; Israel, $3 billion; Iraq, $766 million; and Egypt, $1.6 billion. But beyond these aid packages, we give Africa $7 billion in economic aid each year. We donate $2 billion to the Western Hemisphere (only about $400 million of it to Haiti). We give Asia, apart from Afghanistan, $2 billion. And we give Europe almost $1 billion.

"Foreign aid has never been politically popular in the United States, and now is the time to put it on the table in the budget talks. If the Democrats want to shut down the government so that we can give more money in foreign aid, let them do it."

More: CUT FOREIGN AID BUDGET NOW at DickMorris.com


Foreign aid is less than 1% of the budget. I am for that but that would not make a dent.
Cutting 1% of the budget would not do anything tosolve the problems we face.
Medicare and all health care with Medicaid and Gramps Dope Plan is almost 1 trillion a damn year.


Yeah and PBS is about .000000001 % of the budget but it has to die according to some to cut spending.


PBS has stated they would be better off without our help.
Bye Bye PBS. Bye Bye
 
I can see democrats didn't grow up believing "a penny saved is a penny earned" with each proposal for budget cuts their stock answer is yeah but that's only 1%.. All those little pennies add up..

Republicans leave the pennies for the working man
 

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