Gore Refuses to take The Pledge

[red states rule]

again.... let me try to raise the level here .... are you aware that ocean currents impact the temperature in the northern latitudes? yes or no?

According to many weather experts we are in the same weather patterns we had in the 50's and 60's

Libs cannot accept the fact they are losers on this issues

 

[maineman]

no....let's try this one step at a time....one question at a time....

again.... let me try to raise the level here .... are you aware that ocean currents impact the temperature in the northern latitudes? yes or no?

can you answer that one question?

all you need to do is type YES or NO.

go ahead...try.

 

[red states rule]

no....let's try this one step at a time....one question at a time....



can you answer that one question?

all you need to do is type YES or NO.

go ahead...try.

Keep pushing the global warming crap MM

Someone might listen sometime

 

[maineman]

I am trying to have a discussion with you.

are you willing to try to do that? yes or no?

 

[red states rule]

I am trying to have a discussion with you.

are you willing to try to do that? yes or no?

To you a discussion is tlaking to people who agree with you

No facts allowed to counter your posts

 

[maineman]

no....to me a discussion is just that...a discussion.

I type things like I were talking to you, and you type things in response...you ask questions of me...I answer them in my own words...I ask questions of you, and you answer them in your own words.


are you willing to try to do something like that? yes or no?

 

[Bern80]

ever gonna write anything of substance yourself?

ever gonna get into an actual discussion about ocean currents and the vital role they play in distributing heat throughout the planet? ever gonna get into an actual discussion about what the impact of arctic ice melt might have on those currents and what that might mean as far as colder climates in the northern hemispere? or are you gonna continue to look no further than the thermometer outside your doublewide and remain willfully obstinantly ignorant about the entire debate that is raging about the environment?

Two points:

Restricting the form in which a debate can take place does no one any good, If you are no wiling to read and respond to a simple article perhaps it is you that needs to go somewhere else where the debate fits your strict guidelines.

Secondly if you truly are interested in continuing an actual discussion stop the pissing contest with RSR and and respond to post 346

 

[maineman]

the electric generation industry is deregulated...the distribution of electricity remains regulated. The electric power grid is maintained by the regulated distribution utilities.... electricity producers sell their product on the open market and they pay a marginal "toll" if you will, to the distribution utilities to allow them to "deliver" their product to their customers. There are green power generators throughout America...they market their power to consumers. When a customer buys kilowatts from a green power producer, the producer must ensure that it produces enough green power to meet the demand from its customers. If it produces MORE than is demanded, it sells it at a discount to the Independent System Operator who uses it to meet flex demands..... It cannot produce less than its customer demand or the customer is given a discount equal to the difference between the green power rate it contracted for and the nominal standard offer rate given to non=green customers. As a participant in the market, green power producers will necessarily increase their output to meet increasing demand. The more of us who demand green power options and exercise those options, the faster the supply of green power will increase to meet that demand.

Does that answer the questions posed by you in your post 346?

And rest assured, if RSR did anything OTHER than spam this board with a never ending supply of conservative opinion pieces in lieu of actually writing anything of his own, I would read what he writes and I would read the occasional article that he might post to help illustrate some point that he had himself made in his own words.

 

[red states rule]

the electric generation industry is deregulated...the distribution of electricity remains regulated. The electric power grid is maintained by the regulated distribution utilities.... electricity producers sell their product on the open market and they pay a marginal "toll" if you will, to the distribution utilities to allow them to "deliver" their product to their customers. There are green power generators throughout America...they market their power to consumers. When a customer buys kilowatts from a green power producer, the producer must ensure that it produces enough green power to meet the demand from its customers. If it produces MORE than is demanded, it sells it at a discount to the Independent System Operator who uses it to meet flex demands..... It cannot produce less than its customer demand or the customer is given a discount equal to the difference between the green power rate it contracted for and the nominal standard offer rate given to non=green customers. As a participant in the market, green power producers will necessarily increase their output to meet increasing demand. The more of us who demand green power options and exercise those options, the faster the supply of green power will increase to meet that demand.

Does that answer the questions posed by you in your post 346?

And rest assured, if RSR did anything OTHER than spam this board with a never ending supply of conservative opinion pieces in lieu of actually writing anything of his own, I would read what he writes and I would read the occasional article that he might post to help illustrate some point that he had himself made in his own words.

Translation - spam to me is any article that disproves my pre-determined views on the subject

 

[maineman]

we could spam each other with articles about global warming all day long.... don't you know that there are thousands of articles out there from scholarly sources that describe man's negative impact on the environment? what would that prove? I want to TALK to YOU about it....I want YOU to use YOUR words to discuss the issue with me. can you do that?

 

[red states rule]

we could spam each other with articles about global warming all day long.... don't you know that there are thousands of articles out there from scholarly sources that describe man's negative impact on the environment? what would that prove? I want to TALK to YOU about it....I want YOU to use YOUR words to discuss the issue with me. can you do that?

Once again - April 22 and frost outside

Don't worry MM - come Aug you can rant about how triple digit heat is global warming and Uncle Al was right after all

 

[red states rule]

CNN’s Velshi: Carbon Credits Are a 'Way Out of Their Sins'
Posted by Matthew Balan on April 20, 2007 - 16:37.
Rush Limbaugh has long compared aspects of the environmentalist movement to a religion. CNN’s Ali Velshi has given some evidence of that hypothesis. Friday’s "American Morning" featured a segment on carbon offset credits, which Velshi and cohost Kiran Chetry all but endorsed. At the beginning of the segment, Velshi stated that the credits were a way for companies to "basically buy their way out of their sins." At the segment’s close, he uses the exact same terminology - "It's the idea that you're paying or you're making up for your pollution and your sins." Video: Real (793 KB) or Windows (893 KB), plus MP3 (125 KB).

The historical practice that comes to mind from Velshi’s words is the abuse of selling indulgences in the medieval Catholic Church. This is the exact analogy prominent environmentalist, George Monbiot, used in an article critical of carbon offset credits. The segment featured a Pennsylvania dairy farmer who used his cows’ manure to produce methane, which is used to generate electricity. This is used as an example of "carbon-free, clean" businesses that other businesses can invest in, in order to obtain their carbon offset credits. Velshi names Ford, Intel, and Eastman Kodak as examples of corporations that are buying the carbon offset credits.

While the segment overwhelming sides with the practice, Velshi does briefly mention that some environmentalists are criticizing the credits as "green-washing." One unnamed critic compared the need to eliminate carbon dioxide emissions to dieting. He said, "You can't lose weight cheaply. It's going to be some pain in order to get bad behavior to become good behavior. This should be no different."

A full transcript of the segment from Friday’s "American Morning:"

CHETRY: Well, Earth Day is this weekend. Carbon dioxide emissions in the U.S., and which many scientists are blaming for the globbing warming, they've doubled since 1960." Ali Velshi 'Minding Your Business' with an idea that's downright dirty? I have to hear this one.

ALI VELSHI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, this is good. There's a very sophisticated market developing. The trade in something called carbon offset credits. It allows companies who pollute to basically buy their way out of their sins. Now, some people think it is a good idea. Others think it's a lot of bull.

VELSHI (voice over): This might not look like a clean energy project...

ALFRED WANNER, PENNSYLVANIA FARMER: We're probably generating about 5,000 gallons a day.

VELSHI: ...but Alfred Wanner's dairy farm is producing much more than this.

WANNER: They pump from here to the digester tank.

VELSHI: When the tank is heated up, the manure's byproduct, methane gas, gets converted into carbon-free, clean electricity - enough to power the farm and then some.

WANNER: If we can find people that are willing to partner with us, and pay us for doing that, it's a win-win situation for everybody.

VELSHI: It's a growing market. Individuals and corporations like Ford, Intel, and Eastman Kodak are buying what are called carbon offsets.

It's like a voucher. You invest in clean energy projects like the Wanner farm, or a wind farm, or a solar energy project, and you get credit that offsets your company's emissions. Some call that green-washing, a cheap fix that doesn't actually solve the underlying problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't lose weight cheaply. It's going to be some pain in order to get bad behavior to become good behavior. This should be no different.

VELSHI: About 15 states are headed towards some form of emission regulation. California will be the first. The proposed laws could create a system that allows companies to buy these carbon offsets if they can't cut back enough. Carbon credit traders are banking on it becoming a reality.

JOSH MARGOLIS, CANTOR CO2E: They're waiting for the uncertainty to be removed. Then you're going to have to pay a lot more if you're a buyer.

VELSHI: One carbon offset credit balances out about a metric ton of pollution. That's about a year's worth of emissions from 216,000 cars. Not bad for $4 a piece. That's the going rate for one carbon offset.

And so far, it's a good deal for Alfred Wanner. He's turning manure into a pile of cash.

WANNER: It's not lucrative, but about as good as it can be at this time. It's worth going after.

VELSHI: This is an idea in its infancy, but people are buying these carbon offset credits. And right now there are several bills in Congress, and across the nation in state legislatures, with plans for carbon credit trading. So, this could become a big deal. It's kind of like buying land where you think there's going to be development. Companies are getting into it.

CHETRY: And is it all similar to in some areas they try to do - if you cut down a tree, you plant a new one, and try to make up for it?

VELSHI: It's exactly the same idea. You can do it on an individual level or a corporate level. It's the idea that you're paying or you're making up for your pollution and your sins.

CHETRY: All right. Interesting concept.

VELSHI: Yes. Hope it grows.

CHETRY: Yes, exactly.

http://newsbusters.org/node/12188

 

[maineman]

Once again - April 22 and frost outside

Don't worry MM - come Aug you can rant about how triple digit heat is global warming and Uncle Al was right after all

will you ever be willing to use your own words and let's converse about the effects of icepack melt on ocean currents and the effects of ocean currents on northern continent's weather?

will you ever acknowledge that you are misinformed about green power?

 

[red states rule]

will you ever be willing to use your own words and let's converse about the effects of icepack melt on ocean currents and the effects of ocean currents on northern continent's weather?

will you ever acknowledge that you are misinformed about green power?

Translation - please stop with the facts. My little head hurts!

 

[maineman]

Translation - please stop with the facts. My little head hurts!

you are the one who has no independent knowledge of facts.... do you really think that I could not inundate you with countless articles about globasl warming?

whenb will you ever speak for yourself?

 

[red states rule]

you are the one who has no independent knowledge of facts.... do you really think that I could not inundate you with countless articles about globasl warming?

whenb will you ever speak for yourself?

I never realized facts can push you over the deep end so badly

 

[boedicca]

Earth Day = The Festivus of the Greenies

The only difference is that they do the Airing Of The Grievances everyday.

 

[red states rule]

Earth Day = The Festivus of the Greenies

The only difference is that they do the Airing Of The Grievances everyday.

I wonder how much trash the enviro wackos will leave on the ground after their rally

Oh well, its recyclable

 

[boedicca]

Think of all the fossil fuel that could have been conserved if they had stayed home instead.

 

[red states rule]

Think of all the fossil fuel that could have been conserved if they had stayed home instead.

I thought the enviro wackos drove electric cars like they tell us to drive

You mean libs do not do as they tell us to do?

I am shocked!!!