Synthaholic
Diamond Member
Other than the stimulus, which was 1/3 tax cuts, he hasn't spent anything - the GOP House won't let him.The opposite. He has added to the debt at a rate that makes drunken sailors blush.
Strike 3, dope - you're out!
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Other than the stimulus, which was 1/3 tax cuts, he hasn't spent anything - the GOP House won't let him.The opposite. He has added to the debt at a rate that makes drunken sailors blush.
What was it when he entered office?Debt was 10T when Bush left office
You don't understand how government works. You realize that Congress writes legislation, and the President signs bills written by Congress into law?Other than the stimulus, which was 1/3 tax cuts, he hasn't spent anything - the GOP House won't let him.The opposite. He has added to the debt at a rate that makes drunken sailors blush.
Strike 3, dope - you're out!
Correct. What legislation has the GOP House, under Boehner, written to raise revenue toward paying off the debt?You don't understand how government works. You realize that Congress writes legislation, and the President signs bills written by Congress into law?Other than the stimulus, which was 1/3 tax cuts, he hasn't spent anything - the GOP House won't let him.The opposite. He has added to the debt at a rate that makes drunken sailors blush.
Strike 3, dope - you're out!
Correct. What legislation has the GOP House, under Boehner, written to raise revenue toward paying off the debt?You don't understand how government works. You realize that Congress writes legislation, and the President signs bills written by Congress into law?Other than the stimulus, which was 1/3 tax cuts, he hasn't spent anything - the GOP House won't let him.The opposite. He has added to the debt at a rate that makes drunken sailors blush.
Strike 3, dope - you're out!
They've had since 2011.
Are you talking about bills to fund the people's government?Correct. What legislation has the GOP House, under Boehner, written to raise revenue toward paying off the debt?You don't understand how government works. You realize that Congress writes legislation, and the President signs bills written by Congress into law?Other than the stimulus, which was 1/3 tax cuts, he hasn't spent anything - the GOP House won't let him.The opposite. He has added to the debt at a rate that makes drunken sailors blush.
Strike 3, dope - you're out!
They've had since 2011.
They have written continuing resolutions, which the president has signed into law. So to say the President "hasn't spent anything", is patently false.
Continuing Resolutions to fund the government cost trillions, and Obama signs them.Are you talking about bills to fund the people's government?Correct. What legislation has the GOP House, under Boehner, written to raise revenue toward paying off the debt?You don't understand how government works. You realize that Congress writes legislation, and the President signs bills written by Congress into law?Other than the stimulus, which was 1/3 tax cuts, he hasn't spent anything - the GOP House won't let him.The opposite. He has added to the debt at a rate that makes drunken sailors blush.
Strike 3, dope - you're out!
They've had since 2011.
They have written continuing resolutions, which the president has signed into law. So to say the President "hasn't spent anything", is patently false.
Or are you talking about big money Obama projects that cost trillions? Because there aren't any of those.
The "knife that Greece had to it's throat" was of it's own making. The alleged "fascist" banking cartel would offer liberal debit conditions to a bankrupt country. What other offers does the country consider? Russia would probably give them a good deal.
All debt everywhere is 'of its own making'.
And part of the point is, if Europe can turn their back on the cradle of democracy and have them even THINK of going to Russia for help, there is something very wrong with this picture.
Greece in fact should be demanding the derivatives criminals on Wall Street who, with Bush and the Republicans, created the 2008 crash that caused this worldwide misery to pay the bill. But of course the IMF wouldn't think of asking 'some of their own' to be held accountable for their actions.
It was in fact a knife being held to the throat of the Greek people. And they said 'fuck off'. Good for them.
European democracies have lost their way, and it is the financial institutes that are responsible.
The IMF has a long history of forcing economic policy that makes a country vulnerable to multinational corporations and banks and places much of the burden on a country's poorest and most vulnerable citizens. I am glad someone finally told them to keep their money and their strings.
Conservatives cry 'socialism' about every single thing under the sun. It used to be 'communism', but that got stale. Next year who knows what it will be.
What we know for sure is Bush and the Republicans destroyed the world economy in 2008 and we've had to climb every so slowly out of that gigantic pit. Yet these same loser now want to tell others how to handle finances.
Mental, illness.
Because it is.
Look you can't look at government giving a country a loan... and then claim socialism isn't the cause. It's socialism.
The private market wouldn't give money to Greece, specifically because they knew it was a bad deal.
You people just make up whatever facts you want, to support the claims you have already determined to be true, exempt from factual evidence.
Greece voted down the knife that international banks had to their throat.
The Greeks are looking at tough times no matter how they voted, so the birthplace of Democracy kicked the fascist international banks in the face and they've said in one loud voice you aren't going to turn us into slaves.
Now those very banks will be FORCED to negotiate a more equitable settlement and payment package because they have no choice
For Europe to even put the oldest democracy in such jeopardy, while insane entities like Isis watch, is beyond unforgivable. You can't squeeze blood from an orange. No matter what, the various financial institutions HAVE to work out a deal with the Greeks.
I applaud the Greeks for standing their ground. They will climb out of this financial disaster, like America has had to climb out of the Bush/Republican financial disaster handed to it in 2008, and come out whole.
What they did today was give notice that you 'don't f#$k with democracy'.
Good! I was hoping this is what would happen. Golden Dawn was hoping for a NO as was UKIP among others. Hopefully this destroys the EU. A real big FUCK YOU to the Rothschilds.
The left-wing always pulls out the biggest sword, swings it as hard as it can, only to slice off their own head. Greece is the latest victim of socialist suicide.
I agree with you.They shouldn't have accepted the bailout in 2010, and instead followed Iceland by jailing the bankers and letting the banks default on their own mistakes.
But what is done is done, and I hope that they manage to get out the abyss.
The IMF/ECB plan was a joke, and it would have not only forced taxpayers across Europe to fund a money hole, but forced Greeks to sell the country off and eventually default on their debt anyway - making a bigger money hole than if they default this year.
If it I was up to me, I wouldn't have let it get this far. It would have been better to not intervene at all than push a bailout that Greeks couldn't afford to pay, with conditions so insane that they could only plunge Greece into economic depression and a debt spiral.
The politicians in the European Union were idiots, as were the economists and bureaucrats who pushed more and more demands on Greece for the bailout, forcing the collapse of the Greek government - because the demands had reached the limit of what Greeks were prepared to accept. Syriza and the collapse of the bailout deal is the result.
Conservatives cry 'socialism' about every single thing under the sun. It used to be 'communism', but that got stale. Next year who knows what it will be.
What we know for sure is Bush and the Republicans destroyed the world economy in 2008 and we've had to climb every so slowly out of that gigantic pit. Yet these same loser now want to tell others how to handle finances.
Mental, illness.
Because it is.
Look you can't look at government giving a country a loan... and then claim socialism isn't the cause. It's socialism.
The private market wouldn't give money to Greece, specifically because they knew it was a bad deal.
You people just make up whatever facts you want, to support the claims you have already determined to be true, exempt from factual evidence.
Ok, for you conservatives that live in your forever closed bubble world.
Reagan tripled the national debt. Bush ran it up from 5 trillion dollars to 11 trillion dollars, left a 1.4 trillion dollar yearly deficit, and destroyed the world economy in the process.
Yet YOU idiots want to blame everything on 'socialism'?
Then Reagan and Bush were the all time economy killing money stealing socialists in the history of mankind. And these are the losers YOU people voted into office.
Your arguments only mean something in your own bubble of conservative delusion-world.
Never said they would hand over the money, if anything they might get a few subsidies and possibly a trade deal - but not a massive cash injection.I have to try and think on the positive. At least as a result of this mess Greece has got rid of most of the leaches in the establishment, and with the constant shadow of debt and economic strife they are going to be held constantly to account by the Greek public - unlike the governments previous to 2009 who were able to promise stuff the country couldn't afford (and cheat the books) to keep in power.They shouldn't have accepted the bailout in 2010, and instead followed Iceland by jailing the bankers and letting the banks default on their own mistakes.
But what is done is done, and I hope that they manage to get out the abyss.
The IMF/ECB plan was a joke, and it would have not only forced taxpayers across Europe to fund a money hole, but forced Greeks to sell the country off and eventually default on their debt anyway - making a bigger money hole than if they default this year.
If it I was up to me, I wouldn't have let it get this far. It would have been better to not intervene at all than push a bailout that Greeks couldn't afford to pay, with conditions so insane that they could only plunge Greece into economic depression and a debt spiral.
The politicians in the European Union were idiots, as were the economists and bureaucrats who pushed more and more demands on Greece for the bailout, forcing the collapse of the Greek government - because the demands had reached the limit of what Greeks were prepared to accept. Syriza and the collapse of the bailout deal is the result.
Sounds like banks in the U.S. approving mortgages for people that couldn't afford the payments. Sound familiar?
This is world class corrupt banking thievery. The vultures see easy prey and try to suck the life out of it. Who could blame Greece for going to Russia now?
Russia doesn't have the money to fund Greece. If they go to Russia, Russia too will impose their own strings on the money, and yet the amount of money they could borrow would be a tiny fraction of what is needed, thus it wouldn't help.
What strings could Russia impose? Allowing their major companies to come and "prey and try to suck the life out of it".
And as far as getting rid of the leaches, that's not what I've read. If anything, this was to restore public leeches back into the cash flow.
Ultimately though if Greece left Nato it could cut its military budget a lot, and even be paid by Russia to lease areas for a military base.
But that is in the worst case scenario, where Greece is kicked out of the Eurozone.