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Trump doesn't disavow a david duke endorsement in less than ten seconds and he is a racist but the husband of the current democratic candidate attends the funeral of the grand wizard of the KKK and he is a hero of the civil rights movement.
I was just thinking to myself. We need another thread hell bent on torturing the truth.
WHich is Bill Clinton attended funeral of KKK wizard. The picture is right there.
We all know Robert Byrd's past. He repudiated it, David Duke hasn't.
if he did it was because of political necessity as blacks were asserting their right to vote in the south.
How many black senators does the south have? 1?
I'm not going to argue about how many black senators their are in the south because it is kind of pointless. THe fact is Bill Clinton attended funeral of KKK grand wizard.
Libs call GOP racist yet they started the KKK.
No Sparky, the "GOP" didn't start the KKK either. Six young veteran Confederate soldiers with no political affiliations did that. And at the time the "GOP" didn't even exist in the South.
Considering it was the democratic party that were the main backers of the south's desire to leave the union. It would be likely they were democrats.
Link it then. Because I've done extensive research on this and there is no such information at all. They were simply not involved in politics. And the same is true for Simmons, the guy who restarted the Klan in 1915 -- no political connections at all.
And no, it was not the "democratic party" [sic] who were the main backers of the "south's" [sic] desire to leave the union. That was strictly geographical. And again --- the Republican Party DID NOT EXIST in the South before the Civil War. It ran no POTUS candidates there until Grant. It had only been founded in 1854. So the question of whether to secede was not a political party issue; it was a local sovereignty issue.
Know how many electoral votes Lincoln got in the South in 1860? Zero. Understandable, since he didn't run.
Know how many electoral votes the Democrat Steven Douglas got? Same number --- zero.
That's because the South revolted at the Democratic convention, got it suspended in fact, and then ran their own candidates. Two of them in fact. Look it the fuck up. Those two got more EVs than Douglas did (Douglas carried a total of one state: Missouri).
As for the "desire to leave the union", that dates back to before either of these two parties existed, at least as far back as the "Tariff of Abominations" in 1828. Cries for secession erupted in South Carolina -- the first state to eventually secede -- at least that far back.
Where in the fuck do you learn your history?
He and Robert Byrd were from the same neigh.I agree. Thurmond was a fucking mess.He was batshit crazy by then.Byrd ending up being a good man.
Thurmond, no, could not even acknowledge his illegitimate black daughter.
I have attended four KKK funerals, two of them the whole situation made it very funny to me that I was there but what can you do?
When he had all of his faculties, he was still using the 'n' word quite often.
No they weren't. Not even close.
I'm related to Thurmond. I know the territory, trust me. Our branch was the one who had the sense to look around and go "what the fuck, this is South Carolina. We're outta here". Thurmond's was the branch who stayed there.
Byrd was born in NORTH Carolina -- up the road from here, closer to Virginia --- but left as a child to be raised in West Virginia.
Way off.
Thurmond voted to make MLK's birthday a national holiday.
Libs call GOP racist yet they started the KKK.
No Sparky, the "GOP" didn't start the KKK either. Six young veteran Confederate soldiers with no political affiliations did that. And at the time the "GOP" didn't even exist in the South.
Considering it was the democratic party that were the main backers of the south's desire to leave the union. It would be likely they were democrats.
Link it then. Because I've done extensive research on this and there is no such information at all. They were simply not involved in politics. And the same is true for Simmons, the guy who restarted the Klan in 1915 -- no political connections at all.
And no, it was not the "democratic party" [sic] who were the main backers of the "south's" [sic] desire to leave the union. That was strictly geographical. And again --- the Republican Party DID NOT EXIST in the South before the Civil War. It ran no POTUS candidates there until Grant. It had only been founded in 1854. So the question of whether to secede was not a political party issue; it was a local sovereignty issue.
Know how many electoral votes Lincoln got in the South in 1860? Zero. Understandable, since he didn't run.
Know how many electoral votes the Democrat Steven Douglas got? Same number --- zero.
That's because the South revolted at the Democratic convention, got it suspended in fact, and then ran their own candidates. Two of them in fact. Look it the fuck up. Those two got more EVs than Douglas did (Douglas carried a total of one state: Missouri).
As for the "desire to leave the union", that dates back to before either of these two parties existed, at least as far back as the "Tariff of Abominations" in 1828. Cries for secession erupted in South Carolina -- the first state to eventually secede -- at least that far back.
Where in the fuck do you learn your history?
wRong...not one southerner would stand as a delegate for Licoln in the south.....they were all democrats through and through...
Thurmond? He should have stayed Dem. He stained the GOP.I agree. Thurmond was a fucking mess.He was batshit crazy by then.Byrd ending up being a good man.
Thurmond, no, could not even acknowledge his illegitimate black daughter.
I have attended four KKK funerals, two of them the whole situation made it very funny to me that I was there but what can you do?
When he had all of his faculties, he was still using the 'n' word quite often.
How so? Surely he did SOMETHING you agreed with?
Hanitty has been playing the audio clip of Hilary praising former kkk kl eagle Robert Byrd...praising him as her mentor.....
Trent Lott lost a leadership position for praising storm Thurmond at a birthday party.....
4 of 147? I guess you seem to think so, but who care about that.Is it?
Why?
OP twists himself into hapless logical pretzel in four...... three..... two......
There is a very old saying "birds of a feather, flock together"......... Remember that? I am older than both of you and I have NEVER attended a KKK funeral. Much less FOUR of them.
Number one, you don't have a clue how old I am, and number two "there is a very old saying" is not a logical argument.
Very old sayings are remembered, and become very old, because they are always anchored in a strong base of fact.
--- As a general guideline of indications. But it does not make for a valid argument.
How old do you have to be to not know that?
More than general. Many studies show that the axiom (for that is what it is) holds across intellectual levels, political affiliations, personal amusement etc. It's an axiom because it is ACCURATE. Thus, for someone to have attended 4 KKK funerals is definitely an indicator of ones values.
4 of 147? I guess you seem to think so, but who care about that.There is a very old saying "birds of a feather, flock together"......... Remember that? I am older than both of you and I have NEVER attended a KKK funeral. Much less FOUR of them.
Number one, you don't have a clue how old I am, and number two "there is a very old saying" is not a logical argument.
Very old sayings are remembered, and become very old, because they are always anchored in a strong base of fact.
--- As a general guideline of indications. But it does not make for a valid argument.
How old do you have to be to not know that?
More than general. Many studies show that the axiom (for that is what it is) holds across intellectual levels, political affiliations, personal amusement etc. It's an axiom because it is ACCURATE. Thus, for someone to have attended 4 KKK funerals is definitely an indicator of ones values.
Thurmond? He should have stayed Dem. He stained the GOP.I agree. Thurmond was a fucking mess.He was batshit crazy by then.Byrd ending up being a good man.
Thurmond, no, could not even acknowledge his illegitimate black daughter.
I have attended four KKK funerals, two of them the whole situation made it very funny to me that I was there but what can you do?
When he had all of his faculties, he was still using the 'n' word quite often.
How so? Surely he did SOMETHING you agreed with?
Don't you mean a former member of the Klan?
Don't you mean a former member of the Klan?
Funny you never jump to say "former" about Duke.
But Albert Gore, well he was "former,"
Thurmond? He should have stayed Dem. He stained the GOP.I agree. Thurmond was a fucking mess.He was batshit crazy by then.Byrd ending up being a good man.
Thurmond, no, could not even acknowledge his illegitimate black daughter.
I have attended four KKK funerals, two of them the whole situation made it very funny to me that I was there but what can you do?
When he had all of his faculties, he was still using the 'n' word quite often.
How so? Surely he did SOMETHING you agreed with?
Yes, he was and is a racist, but he didn't want it backed up with violence, so he quit the klan. And his group wasn't even violent, he quit because others were.
That's pretty much quoting from Dukey's own script, verbatim.
This guy however, a former Dukey underling, says he set Duke up offering to sell his mailing list and powered Duke down in a Klan Kompetition rivalry. Duke denied it, but 16 years later did exactly that, selling his list to the campaign of Woody Jenkins.
So --- when we say "know the facts before pronouncing judgment", one considers the source of those... "facts". The same guy who had Bill McKinley in a nonexistent Klan to try to obscure his own history.
Is there a point I made you're disputing? I wasn't defending David Duke. I made several points, and that wasn't one of them. If you want to debate Duke himself, debate it with someone who gives a shit about him
Yup.
You brought up the question of why Duke quit the Klan. And that's what I clarified -- apparently with info you didn't have, since all you had to fall back on was Dukey's own narrative, i.e. that of an established liar.
I did bring up the question of why he quit the klan. And I said what that reason was. It was in my post. Funny how an old media guy like you can't read a short piece and takeaway the obvious point
You took Dukey's explanation, i.e. hearsay from a known liar, and referred to it as "fact". I showed you that there's an alternative "fact" -- one that your "fact" did not consider.
Funny how that's too complex to follow.
Anyone like Strom who will not recognize publicly his own daughter, black or white or purple, stains everyone around him professionally and personally.Thurmond? He should have stayed Dem. He stained the GOP.I agree. Thurmond was a fucking mess.He was batshit crazy by then.Byrd ending up being a good man.
Thurmond, no, could not even acknowledge his illegitimate black daughter.
I have attended four KKK funerals, two of them the whole situation made it very funny to me that I was there but what can you do?
When he had all of his faculties, he was still using the 'n' word quite often.
How so? Surely he did SOMETHING you agreed with?
So, no matter what, he's a piece of shit?
That's pretty much quoting from Dukey's own script, verbatim.
This guy however, a former Dukey underling, says he set Duke up offering to sell his mailing list and powered Duke down in a Klan Kompetition rivalry. Duke denied it, but 16 years later did exactly that, selling his list to the campaign of Woody Jenkins.
So --- when we say "know the facts before pronouncing judgment", one considers the source of those... "facts". The same guy who had Bill McKinley in a nonexistent Klan to try to obscure his own history.
Is there a point I made you're disputing? I wasn't defending David Duke. I made several points, and that wasn't one of them. If you want to debate Duke himself, debate it with someone who gives a shit about him
Yup.
You brought up the question of why Duke quit the Klan. And that's what I clarified -- apparently with info you didn't have, since all you had to fall back on was Dukey's own narrative, i.e. that of an established liar.
I did bring up the question of why he quit the klan. And I said what that reason was. It was in my post. Funny how an old media guy like you can't read a short piece and takeaway the obvious point
You took Dukey's explanation, i.e. hearsay from a known liar, and referred to it as "fact". I showed you that there's an alternative "fact" -- one that your "fact" did not consider.
Funny how that's too complex to follow.
Here's an idea. Read my post and respond to what I said. As to the voices in your head, they're your problem, not mine
Is there a point I made you're disputing? I wasn't defending David Duke. I made several points, and that wasn't one of them. If you want to debate Duke himself, debate it with someone who gives a shit about him
Yup.
You brought up the question of why Duke quit the Klan. And that's what I clarified -- apparently with info you didn't have, since all you had to fall back on was Dukey's own narrative, i.e. that of an established liar.
I did bring up the question of why he quit the klan. And I said what that reason was. It was in my post. Funny how an old media guy like you can't read a short piece and takeaway the obvious point
You took Dukey's explanation, i.e. hearsay from a known liar, and referred to it as "fact". I showed you that there's an alternative "fact" -- one that your "fact" did not consider.
Funny how that's too complex to follow.
Here's an idea. Read my post and respond to what I said. As to the voices in your head, they're your problem, not mine
Already did that, hours ago. Apparently (again) bringing in info you didn't have. And I already noted this.
So how long is this particular meltdown over being uninformed scheduled to go on? I got things to do and there's only 30 days left in the month.
Anyone like Strom who will not recognize publicly his own daughter, black or white or purple, stains everyone around him professionally and personally.Thurmond? He should have stayed Dem. He stained the GOP.I agree. Thurmond was a fucking mess.He was batshit crazy by then.
When he had all of his faculties, he was still using the 'n' word quite often.
How so? Surely he did SOMETHING you agreed with?
So, no matter what, he's a piece of shit?
