Guess who BP gave the most $$$ too?

[Vast LWC]

Lying is becoming quite a habit with you huh?

BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

Read more: Obama biggest recipient of BP cash - Erika Lovley - POLITICO.com

Lonestar, you are really bad at this. You might want to quit while you're behind.

The quote you just posted states that the overall donations came from "a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees ", NOT Obama's donations specifically.

Since Obama's grand total was only 77,000 over 20 years, it is quite conceivable that all of said funding was received from individuals, in fact, it is probable, as PAC's would probably have made larger contributions than what Obama has received.

And it was certainly not PAC's that contributed the $1,500.00 that Obama received in the 2008 election cycle.

 

[The T]

Anyone else see a pattern here?

Yeah. No matter how much we bitch on the internet nothing changes except the FCC taxes on our ISP bills.

Eh?

 

[Vast LWC]

I don't think you're capable of honesty, you must be related to truthmatters. You specifically stated that they were "one of the MAIN contributors of the crisis".

Fine.

Let me amend what I said.

You and your buddies are attempting to point blame at Mr Obama because, in all probability, Halliburton is one of the main contributors to the disaster.

How's that? Satisfied?

My overall point, of course, that you and your buddies are trying to deflect blame, is still accurate.

 

[Vast LWC]

On the other hand, it could mean that they are completely responsible for the entire thing.

We just don't know, which is why I listed them as "one of the contributors" to the crisis, not THE ONLY contributor.

HOLD to that...will you?

Oh, sure, I'm not going to say definitively that this was Halliburton's fault, but of course the implication of this thread, which is that somehow the President is responsible for the disaster, is just downright ludicrous.

What I also find to be ludicrous is the fact that the very people that were all in favor of a "hand's off" policy of the oil industry, and the very people who used the term "Drill Baby Drill" as a campaign slogan, are now trying to implicate the President in this manner.

It's the most Orwellian BS I've seen since the USSR folded.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Apparently it's true...

[Snip]

Concerns about the cementing process—and about whether rigs have enough safeguards to prevent blowouts—raise questions about whether the industry can safely drill in deep water and whether regulators are up to the task of monitoring them.
The scrutiny on cementing will focus attention on Halliburton Co., the oilfield-services firm that was handling the cementing process on the rig, which burned and sank last week. The disaster, which killed 11, has left a gusher of oil streaming into the Gulf from a mile under the surface.
Federal officials declined to comment on their investigation, and Halliburton didn't respond to questions from The Wall Street Journal.


[/Snip]

SOURCE

Actually Vast is lying again, "the fact that Halliburton is one of the main contributors to this crisis", isn't quite a fact. They have concerns about the cementing process and it will be the focus of scrutiny, doesn't mean that the cement was a factor in the explosion.

Haliburton was in fact handling the cementing process, whether it contributed to the explosion has not been determined.

Correct, and a mea culpa from me. They were involved and no one knows the exact sequence of events andwhat caused it.

I doubt the cement was a contributing factor, my guess is the drilling mud wasn't circulating back throught the well, which is needed to form a sort of plug to keep oil and gases from leaking through and consequently the mud not being able to plug the hole and contain the reservoir pressure it allowed the oil which can be at temperatures exceeding 400 degrees to erupt up and out the well hole. Althought there are many things that can cause a blowout it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause at this point. Just for grins here's four ways a rig can suffer a blowout.

Blowout No. 1
A kick up the drill string fish during fishing operations can lead to an underground blowout. With the top of fish up in the casing, flow can come up the drill string and back down the annulus to the casing shoe or out through a casing rupture.

The flow path up the parted drill string has been common to many sustained blowouts. Bridging is less likely as flowing pressure is high and limited formation exposure to the flow path. Drill string restrictions and fracture pressure at the flow exit depth control flowing pressure. Similar blowouts have occurred in the past onshore and offshore, but not as of yet in ultra-deepwater. The key is always plugging the bottomhole assembly prior to a drill string back-off. Blowouts are possible when cement is over-displaced out the bit in an attempt to plug only a limited portion of the drill string. The operator mistakenly treats well as if drill string is plugged. One solution is to inject materials that would plug the bit with cement or place a wiper plug behind the cement that sets up on some restricted ID to control cement over-displacement.

Blowout No. 2
A bridged underground blowout can result in a severe drill pipe kick. A surface pressure chart of an deep high temperature, high pressure (HTHP) underground blowout can be seen. Note that 408 bbl of 17.4 ppg oil mud were pumped into the drill pipe at zero pressure when the well was flowing underground. After the well bridged in about 230 minutes, drill pipe pressure suddenly increased by over 4,000 psi in seven minutes and ultimately to a recorded maximum of 6,300 psi while blowing out the mud pump pop-off valve. The drill pipe kick experienced in this well is not uncommon in drill string blowouts. The kick and drill pipe blowout are caused by the following circumstances:
•Drill string hydrostatic pressure balances with underground flowing bottom hole pressure which drops mud level in drill pipe.
•Well bridges shutting off underground flow.
•Bottomhole pressure at the bit builds-up to the pore pressure of the zone at the bit that originally kicked. The drill pipe then kicks. The greater the differential between flowing and static bottomhole pressure, the worse the drill pipe kick.
•Successfully closing surface safety valves and/or standpipe gate valves in near sonic high density mud flow fails. The kelly cock valves cannot be closed in high flow. Valve seats cut-out from high velocity mud solids. The kelly hose fails. Leaks in the pressure-isolated top drive can occur at elevated pressure.
•In some circumstances, severe hydraulic hammer occurs at surface when the column of mud that remained in the drill pipe is rapidly pushed to surface by the kick.
•In the example well blowout, the upper and lower kelly cock valves and standpipe gate valves either could not be closed or cut-out.
Blowout No. 3
A sheared drill pipe blowout may result in a follow-on blowout. The drill pipe may drop or may still be landed within the subsea blowout preventers (BOP). Flow can sustain up the drillstring and then down to rupture casing or the casing shoe. With sheared drill string in the subsea BOP, flow can continue through closed lower pipe rams. These floating rams seal pressure only from below. BOP erosion can occur at the top of the sheared drill pipe, followed by dropping pipe through eroded rams. Annulus pressure builds up, then the casing or shoe fails. A costly North Sea subsea blowout resulted after shearing drill pipe (multiple casing ruptures).
Blowout No. 4
A drill pipe blowout is the most likely flow path of a sustained blowout while drilling. Based on US Gulf of Mexico continental shelf and onshore examples, this is the most common of all surface drilling blowouts. Flow is through the bit and bottom hole assembly to surface.

The well does not bridge as easily, since the bit may be within the reservoir and flowing pressure is high. Pressure drops through the bit nozzles, and the bottom hole assembly and drill string limit formation draw-down. High shut-in pressures and rapid pressure build-up could lead to pipe rupture. Drill pipe does not seal against gas very well and leaks could lead to quick pipe failure. It can be impossible to close a valve against high velocity dense mud flow (the valve jams partially open or cuts out). Kelly hose can fail, if the well was isolated at the standpipe. The kelly hose or standpipe can rupture, or the well can blow out at the mud pump pop-off valve. All of these failures have occurred recently in onshore and offshore shelf water blowouts. Nothing is so unique about ultra-deepwater that would reduce this risk. The common answer is "that is why we have shear rams." Though this may solve an immediate problem, an even larger one now is at hand.

 

[Vast LWC]

But you do admit that there is a good chance that Halliburton is indeed at fault here.

 

[The T]

Actually Vast is lying again, "the fact that Halliburton is one of the main contributors to this crisis", isn't quite a fact. They have concerns about the cementing process and it will be the focus of scrutiny, doesn't mean that the cement was a factor in the explosion.

Haliburton was in fact handling the cementing process, whether it contributed to the explosion has not been determined.

Correct, and a mea culpa from me. They were involved and no one knows the exact sequence of events andwhat caused it.

I doubt the cement was a contributing factor, my guess is the drilling mud wasn't circulating back throught the well, which is needed to form a sort of plug to keep oil and gases from leaking through and consequently the mud not being able to plug the hole and contain the reservoir pressure it allowed the oil which can be at temperatures exceeding 400 degrees to erupt up and out the well hole. Althought there are many things that can cause a blowout it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause at this point. Just for grins here's four ways a rig can suffer a blowout.

Blowout No. 1
A kick up the drill string fish during fishing operations can lead to an underground blowout. With the top of fish up in the casing, flow can come up the drill string and back down the annulus to the casing shoe or out through a casing rupture.

The flow path up the parted drill string has been common to many sustained blowouts. Bridging is less likely as flowing pressure is high and limited formation exposure to the flow path. Drill string restrictions and fracture pressure at the flow exit depth control flowing pressure. Similar blowouts have occurred in the past onshore and offshore, but not as of yet in ultra-deepwater. The key is always plugging the bottomhole assembly prior to a drill string back-off. Blowouts are possible when cement is over-displaced out the bit in an attempt to plug only a limited portion of the drill string. The operator mistakenly treats well as if drill string is plugged. One solution is to inject materials that would plug the bit with cement or place a wiper plug behind the cement that sets up on some restricted ID to control cement over-displacement.

Blowout No. 2
A bridged underground blowout can result in a severe drill pipe kick. A surface pressure chart of an deep high temperature, high pressure (HTHP) underground blowout can be seen. Note that 408 bbl of 17.4 ppg oil mud were pumped into the drill pipe at zero pressure when the well was flowing underground. After the well bridged in about 230 minutes, drill pipe pressure suddenly increased by over 4,000 psi in seven minutes and ultimately to a recorded maximum of 6,300 psi while blowing out the mud pump pop-off valve. The drill pipe kick experienced in this well is not uncommon in drill string blowouts. The kick and drill pipe blowout are caused by the following circumstances:
•Drill string hydrostatic pressure balances with underground flowing bottom hole pressure which drops mud level in drill pipe.
•Well bridges shutting off underground flow.
•Bottomhole pressure at the bit builds-up to the pore pressure of the zone at the bit that originally kicked. The drill pipe then kicks. The greater the differential between flowing and static bottomhole pressure, the worse the drill pipe kick.
•Successfully closing surface safety valves and/or standpipe gate valves in near sonic high density mud flow fails. The kelly cock valves cannot be closed in high flow. Valve seats cut-out from high velocity mud solids. The kelly hose fails. Leaks in the pressure-isolated top drive can occur at elevated pressure.
•In some circumstances, severe hydraulic hammer occurs at surface when the column of mud that remained in the drill pipe is rapidly pushed to surface by the kick.
•In the example well blowout, the upper and lower kelly cock valves and standpipe gate valves either could not be closed or cut-out.
Blowout No. 3
A sheared drill pipe blowout may result in a follow-on blowout. The drill pipe may drop or may still be landed within the subsea blowout preventers (BOP). Flow can sustain up the drillstring and then down to rupture casing or the casing shoe. With sheared drill string in the subsea BOP, flow can continue through closed lower pipe rams. These floating rams seal pressure only from below. BOP erosion can occur at the top of the sheared drill pipe, followed by dropping pipe through eroded rams. Annulus pressure builds up, then the casing or shoe fails. A costly North Sea subsea blowout resulted after shearing drill pipe (multiple casing ruptures).
Blowout No. 4
A drill pipe blowout is the most likely flow path of a sustained blowout while drilling. Based on US Gulf of Mexico continental shelf and onshore examples, this is the most common of all surface drilling blowouts. Flow is through the bit and bottom hole assembly to surface.

The well does not bridge as easily, since the bit may be within the reservoir and flowing pressure is high. Pressure drops through the bit nozzles, and the bottom hole assembly and drill string limit formation draw-down. High shut-in pressures and rapid pressure build-up could lead to pipe rupture. Drill pipe does not seal against gas very well and leaks could lead to quick pipe failure. It can be impossible to close a valve against high velocity dense mud flow (the valve jams partially open or cuts out). Kelly hose can fail, if the well was isolated at the standpipe. The kelly hose or standpipe can rupture, or the well can blow out at the mud pump pop-off valve. All of these failures have occurred recently in onshore and offshore shelf water blowouts. Nothing is so unique about ultra-deepwater that would reduce this risk. The common answer is "that is why we have shear rams." Though this may solve an immediate problem, an even larger one now is at hand.

Thanks.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Lying is becoming quite a habit with you huh?

BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

Read more: Obama biggest recipient of BP cash - Erika Lovley - POLITICO.com

Lonestar, you are really bad at this. You might want to quit while you're behind.

The quote you just posted states that the overall donations came from "a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees ", NOT Obama's donations specifically.

Since Obama's grand total was only 77,000 over 20 years, it is quite conceivable that all of said funding was received from individuals, in fact, it is probable, as PAC's would probably have made larger contributions than what Obama has received.

And it was certainly not PAC's that contributed the $1,500.00 that Obama received in the 2008 election cycle.

Nowhere in the paragraph does it state "overall donations", it does state that "BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama".

Once a liar always a liar seems to be your motto.

During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.

That's $77, 051, not over 20 years as you suggest, because Obama has not been in the senate for 20 years.

Your lies just keep piling up. Perhaps you should quit while you still have an ounce of credibility left.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I don't think you're capable of honesty, you must be related to truthmatters. You specifically stated that they were "one of the MAIN contributors of the crisis".

Fine.

Let me amend what I said.

You and your buddies are attempting to point blame at Mr Obama because, in all probability, Halliburton is one of the main contributors to the disaster.

How's that? Satisfied?

My overall point, of course, that you and your buddies are trying to deflect blame, is still accurate.

No I'm not trying to deflect blame, I'm simply withholding judgement until all the facts are known. Something you liberals are incapable of, much like the way you idiots aren't capable of being honest.

 

[Vast LWC]

Nowhere in the paragraph does it state "overall donations", it does state that "BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama".

Once a liar always a liar seems to be your motto.

During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.

That's $77, 051, not over 20 years as you suggest, because Obama has not been in the senate for 20 years.

Your lies just keep piling up. Perhaps you should quit while you still have an ounce of credibility left.

OK, let's break down the paragraph you quoted:

Here it states the overall donations made to federal candidates:

BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years,

Here it describes where a portion of that money went:

with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

And here it describes the Donations that were the subject of the preceding sentence, those being the overall donations. Note that it first describes the source of the overall donations, and then the amounts of the overall donations, in the same sentence.

Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

Admit it, you read it wrong.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Actually Vast is lying again, "the fact that Halliburton is one of the main contributors to this crisis", isn't quite a fact. They have concerns about the cementing process and it will be the focus of scrutiny, doesn't mean that the cement was a factor in the explosion.

Haliburton was in fact handling the cementing process, whether it contributed to the explosion has not been determined.

Correct, and a mea culpa from me. They were involved and no one knows the exact sequence of events andwhat caused it.

I doubt the cement was a contributing factor, my guess is the drilling mud wasn't circulating back throught the well, which is needed to form a sort of plug to keep oil and gases from leaking through and consequently the mud not being able to plug the hole and contain the reservoir pressure it allowed the oil which can be at temperatures exceeding 400 degrees to erupt up and out the well hole. Althought there are many things that can cause a blowout it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause at this point. Just for grins here's four ways a rig can suffer a blowout.

Blowout No. 1
A kick up the drill string fish during fishing operations can lead to an underground blowout. With the top of fish up in the casing, flow can come up the drill string and back down the annulus to the casing shoe or out through a casing rupture.

The flow path up the parted drill string has been common to many sustained blowouts. Bridging is less likely as flowing pressure is high and limited formation exposure to the flow path. Drill string restrictions and fracture pressure at the flow exit depth control flowing pressure. Similar blowouts have occurred in the past onshore and offshore, but not as of yet in ultra-deepwater. The key is always plugging the bottomhole assembly prior to a drill string back-off. Blowouts are possible when cement is over-displaced out the bit in an attempt to plug only a limited portion of the drill string. The operator mistakenly treats well as if drill string is plugged. One solution is to inject materials that would plug the bit with cement or place a wiper plug behind the cement that sets up on some restricted ID to control cement over-displacement.

Blowout No. 2
A bridged underground blowout can result in a severe drill pipe kick. A surface pressure chart of an deep high temperature, high pressure (HTHP) underground blowout can be seen. Note that 408 bbl of 17.4 ppg oil mud were pumped into the drill pipe at zero pressure when the well was flowing underground. After the well bridged in about 230 minutes, drill pipe pressure suddenly increased by over 4,000 psi in seven minutes and ultimately to a recorded maximum of 6,300 psi while blowing out the mud pump pop-off valve. The drill pipe kick experienced in this well is not uncommon in drill string blowouts. The kick and drill pipe blowout are caused by the following circumstances:
•Drill string hydrostatic pressure balances with underground flowing bottom hole pressure which drops mud level in drill pipe.
•Well bridges shutting off underground flow.
•Bottomhole pressure at the bit builds-up to the pore pressure of the zone at the bit that originally kicked. The drill pipe then kicks. The greater the differential between flowing and static bottomhole pressure, the worse the drill pipe kick.
•Successfully closing surface safety valves and/or standpipe gate valves in near sonic high density mud flow fails. The kelly cock valves cannot be closed in high flow. Valve seats cut-out from high velocity mud solids. The kelly hose fails. Leaks in the pressure-isolated top drive can occur at elevated pressure.
•In some circumstances, severe hydraulic hammer occurs at surface when the column of mud that remained in the drill pipe is rapidly pushed to surface by the kick.
•In the example well blowout, the upper and lower kelly cock valves and standpipe gate valves either could not be closed or cut-out.
Blowout No. 3
A sheared drill pipe blowout may result in a follow-on blowout. The drill pipe may drop or may still be landed within the subsea blowout preventers (BOP). Flow can sustain up the drillstring and then down to rupture casing or the casing shoe. With sheared drill string in the subsea BOP, flow can continue through closed lower pipe rams. These floating rams seal pressure only from below. BOP erosion can occur at the top of the sheared drill pipe, followed by dropping pipe through eroded rams. Annulus pressure builds up, then the casing or shoe fails. A costly North Sea subsea blowout resulted after shearing drill pipe (multiple casing ruptures).
Blowout No. 4
A drill pipe blowout is the most likely flow path of a sustained blowout while drilling. Based on US Gulf of Mexico continental shelf and onshore examples, this is the most common of all surface drilling blowouts. Flow is through the bit and bottom hole assembly to surface.

The well does not bridge as easily, since the bit may be within the reservoir and flowing pressure is high. Pressure drops through the bit nozzles, and the bottom hole assembly and drill string limit formation draw-down. High shut-in pressures and rapid pressure build-up could lead to pipe rupture. Drill pipe does not seal against gas very well and leaks could lead to quick pipe failure. It can be impossible to close a valve against high velocity dense mud flow (the valve jams partially open or cuts out). Kelly hose can fail, if the well was isolated at the standpipe. The kelly hose or standpipe can rupture, or the well can blow out at the mud pump pop-off valve. All of these failures have occurred recently in onshore and offshore shelf water blowouts. Nothing is so unique about ultra-deepwater that would reduce this risk. The common answer is "that is why we have shear rams." Though this may solve an immediate problem, an even larger one now is at hand.

you dropped something

WELL CONTROL Ultra-deepwater blowouts - how could one happen - Offshore

 

[Vast LWC]

Nowhere in the paragraph does it state "overall donations", it does state that "BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama".

Once a liar always a liar seems to be your motto.

During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.

That's $77, 051, not over 20 years as you suggest, because Obama has not been in the senate for 20 years.

Your lies just keep piling up. Perhaps you should quit while you still have an ounce of credibility left.

And as far as your point about the 20 years thing goes... OK, fine, lets say it was over the past 8 years, whatever.

Thats about 10,000 Dollars a year. WHAT'S THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE??

It's still a piddling amount of money in terms of election funding, and the point still stands that it probably came from individual voters.

There is certainly no evidence from anything you posted that Mr Obama received direct corporate funding, or funding through a corporate PAC.

So, please, enough with the desperate Bullshit. There is no way you're going to pin this on Obama.

YOU are the party of "Drill Baby Drill".

YOU are the party of "Hands off the oil corporations".

Your Orwellian propaganda is unbelievable and, frankly, insulting to the intelligence of the average American.

 

[Vast LWC]

And you can keep on using the word "lying" all you want, it doesn't make your point any more valid.

You're a partisan hack desperately trying to cover up the fact that your side has been strong supporters of the Oil industry all along.

You're trying to make a big deal out of the fact that Mr Obama received some minimal amount of campaign contributions from employees at BP, when the vice president you last voted into office was the fucking CEO of HALLIBURTON.

 

[hjmick]

Is that why President Obama is making them pay for the cleanup?

A 1990 law is making BP pay for the cleanup. A better retort might have been, "Is that why President Obama is strongly supporting a bill to raise the damage limit BP would face from $75 million to $10 billion?"

Of course, you would then have to deal with all the arguments about the law being retroactive, how you can't change the rules after the fact, so on and so forth.

Now, had I started this thread, I would have asked, was the money donated the reason BP got a pass on a "detailed environmental impact analysis" last year the Interior Dept./MMS? Of course, you could then come back with something similar occurring under Bush...

Thanks for the debate, rightwinger! It was fun!

In truth, the money should matter only if BP has received any preferential treatment from the administration. So far, this does not appear to be the case.

 

[Catbert]

So...has Obama had his hand in the British Petroleum cookie jar for a long time?

Obama biggest recipient of BP cash

While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years.

BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

On top of that, the oil giant has spent millions each year on lobbying — including $15.9 million last year alone — as it has tried to influence energy policy.

During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html#ixzz0n73iML9f

 

[txlonghorn]

Shhhh!!! You'll stir the pot again

 

[uscitizen]

just spin. Check the other thread.

 

[txlonghorn]

Here's a good question...did he get big money from big oil? Yes or no?

 

[Catbert]

Sorry, I haven't posted for a while and didn't see a recent thread. Will try to delete, or cancel.

 

[uscitizen]

Here's a good question...did he get big money from big oil? Yes or no?

Of course he did get money from big oil. So did Jeb Bush when he ran for governor of FL.
And FL has no oil. And maybe one refinery in FL?

The repubs got about twice as much as the dems during the 2005/2006 electtion cycle.

Bing or google a bit and you may learn something.

But the BP money Obama got does not seem to be impacting his coming down on them so far.

I have not heard him say we should feel sorry for BP.