"Gun Appreciation Day" Didn't Work Out So Well,..

[bigrebnc1775]

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

I want the link to where the Australian Bureau of Crime and Research says this because so far, you have two right wing blogs saying that the Austrailian Bureau of Crime and Researched have said this, BECAUSE THERE IS NO LINK TO THAT ARTICLE, JUST A BUNCH OF RIGHT WINGERS SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THE BUREAU SAID.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LINK TO THE ORIGINAL GOVERNMENT REPORT, YOU'VE GOT NO PROOF THEY EVER SAID SUCH A THING.

From a 2003 report

According to the ABS, NSW experienced big decreases in the incidence of armed robbery (down 32%), unarmed robbery (down 18%), break and enter (down 13%) and motor vehicle theft (down 20%).

The only offences that increased nationally, according to the ABS, were murder, manslaughter, assault and sexual assault. However, the increases in murder and manslaughter involved very small numbers of cases (an extra seven murders and an extra ten manslaughters across the whole of Australia). The increases in assault and sexual assault, on the other hand, were fairly small (less than six per cent).

The ABS figures show that NSW experienced a 63 per cent increase in manslaughter and a 21 per cent increase in blackmail/extortion. Once again, however, the numbers are small. Despite the increase, NSW last year recorded only 13 cases of manslaughter and 82 cases of blackmail/extortion. As the Bureau reported earlier this year, there were also some minor increases in assault (up 6.1%) and sexual assault (up 3.4%).

Recorded Crime Victims Australia - Commentary by the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research - Bureau of Crime Stats & Research : Lawlink NSW

 

[bigrebnc1775]

NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research - Bureau of Crime Stats & Research : Lawlink NSW

 

[Dragonlady]

Any country that would prosecute a store owner for protecting his life and store is about as backassward as you can get.

I dont care what kind of weapon the criminal had. He was planning on doing harm and got what he deserved. I hope the store owner shot him multiple times...I would have.

Yes, American put a high value on human life. Women shouldn't have abortions because that's killing, but if someone tries to take your cash or your TV, his life is worthless and he can be shot and killed with impunity.

That's not even an eye for an eye. That's a life for a few pieces of paper. If the robber had been armed and had killed the store owner for the $200 in the till, it would have been considered a most barbaric and heinous crime, to put such a low value on another life. The robber's life is also worth more than $200, even if he is a complete piece of shit.

The store owner also happened to be a City Councillor, who sat on the Police Services Board and was hard core right wing. He was forced to resign his seat on the board, and he lost his Council seat because of this act of vigilantyism. A lot of people agreed with you, but more agreed that we don't want store owners having guns behind their counters either.

Robbery attempts like these are very rare in Canada, and if the store owners are armed, the robbers will be and the body county will climb. I can count on the fingers of one hand how many store clerks in Toronto have been seriously injured in daylight robberies in the past 30 years on the fingers of one hand.

 

[tjvh]

Any country that would prosecute a store owner for protecting his life and store is about as backassward as you can get.

I dont care what kind of weapon the criminal had. He was planning on doing harm and got what he deserved. I hope the store owner shot him multiple times...I would have.

Yes, American put a high value on human life. Women shouldn't have abortions because that's killing, but if someone tries to take your cash or your TV, his life is worthless and he can be shot and killed with impunity.

That's not even an eye for an eye. That's a life for a few pieces of paper. If the robber had been armed and had killed the store owner for the $200 in the till, it would have been considered a most barbaric and heinous crime, to put such a low value on another life. The robber's life is also worth more than $200, even if he is a complete piece of shit.

The store owner also happened to be a City Councillor, who sat on the Police Services Board and was hard core right wing. He was forced to resign his seat on the board, and he lost his Council seat because of this act of vigilantyism. A lot of people agreed with you, but more agreed that we don't want store owners having guns behind their counters either.

Robbery attempts like these are very rare in Canada, and if the store owners are armed, the robbers will be and the body county will climb. I can count on the fingers of one hand how many store clerks in Toronto have been seriously injured in daylight robberies in the past 30 years on the fingers of one hand.

I disagree that a criminal's life is worth more than two hundred dollars. I find it hard to put a monetary value at all on a piece of shit like a criminal.

 

[Dragonlady]

Perception of safety > Walking in dark Australia 64% U.S. 82%
reporting that they feel safe walking in the dark.

Ranked 14th. Ranked 2nd. 28% more than Australia

NationMaster - Crime stats: Australia vs United States

As for Australians not feeling safe to walk at night, they did a further survey to find out why, and that information was considered experimental so you have to request it. Australia is home to many of the world's most venomous and dangerous reptiles, many of whom are night feeders. I wouldn't feel safe walking outside at night there either. We don't know if Australians fear going out at night because of their fellow humans, or the country's wildlife.

I also wasn't able to access the information as to the Total Crime Statistics either so I have no idea what that value means.

Nice cherry picking. Looking at all of the numbers I can't imagine how the total crime statistics came out in favour of the US.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Perception of safety > Walking in dark Australia 64% U.S. 82%
reporting that they feel safe walking in the dark.

Ranked 14th. Ranked 2nd. 28% more than Australia

NationMaster - Crime stats: Australia vs United States

As for Australians not feeling safe to walk at night, they did a further survey to find out why, and that information was considered experimental so you have to request it. Australia is home to many of the world's most venomous and dangerous reptiles, many of whom are night feeders. I wouldn't feel safe walking outside at night there either. We don't know if Australians fear going out at night because of their fellow humans, or the country's wildlife.

I also wasn't able to access the information as to the Total Crime Statistics either so I have no idea what that value means.

Nice cherry picking. Looking at all of the numbers I can't imagine how the total crime statistics came out in favour of the US.

Talk about cherry picking how about what you avoided?

Assault victims Australia 2.4% U.S. 1.2%

Ranked 4th. 100% more than United States Ranked 11th

Rape victims Australia 1% U.S. 0.4%
Ranked 5th. 150% more than United States Ranked 13th.

I don't think wildlife was what they were talking about maybe the human wildlife but not so much as mother nature.

But if you want to go with that we have wild dangerous Animals in America. we have poisonous snakes just about every where.,

 

[OODA_Loop]

Women shouldn't have abortions because that's killing, but if someone tries to take your cash or your TV, his life is worthless and he can be shot and killed with impunity.

That's not even an eye for an eye. That's a life for a few pieces of paper.

Why did the robber have a knife ?

 

[AmericanFirst]

The far right gun nuts thought a "gun appreciation day" would be a good idea to "stick it to Obama and da libs" though it backfired on them big time, literally.

Six different people were shot during the right winger's gun spank fest.

Keep it going GOP! 2014 keeps looking better and better!

"Gun activists designated last Saturday “Gun Appreciation Day” in an attempt to highlight their opposition to gun safety laws. The PR stunt proved to be more of an embarrassment, however, when 5 people were shot at 3 different gun shows on Gun Appreciation Day.
On Friday afternoon, an Iowa gun dealer closed out the week by becoming the sixth person shot at a gun show. The man claims he was “showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded when he slid the action of the gun.” The gun was not unloaded, and a bullet went through his left palm."

For The Sixth Time In One Week, Man Shot At Gun Show | ThinkProgress

The looney left stupidity speaks out again. Better then the socialist pukes on the left wanting to take our rights away. IDIOT!!!!~!!!

 

[Dragonlady]

NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research - Bureau of Crime Stats & Research : Lawlink NSW

Let me quote the first three paragraphs since you obviously didn't read this one either:

Statistics released today by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) show the most comprehensive fall in crime in Australia since the ABS began publishing national uniform crime statistics in 1993.

The ABS recorded national decreases in the recorded rate of offending for attempted murder, driving causing death, kidnapping/abduction, armed robbery, unarmed robbery, blackmail/extortion, unlawful entry (i.e. break and enter), motor vehicle theft and ‘other’ theft (e.g. steal from the person, shoplifting etc.).

The only other year in which similarly comprehensive decreases in crime occurred was 1999. However the falls in crime recorded in 1999 were not as large.

The rates of motor vehicle theft and break and enter in Australia are now lower than they were in 1993. The rate of armed robbery (which had risen sharply over the last decade), is now back below its 1997 level, while the rate of unarmed robbery is back below the 1998 level.

According to the ABS, NSW experienced big decreases in the incidence of armed robbery (down 32%), unarmed robbery (down 18%), break and enter (down 13%) and motor vehicle theft (down 20%).

 

[bigrebnc1775]

NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research - Bureau of Crime Stats & Research : Lawlink NSW

Let me quote the first three paragraphs since you obviously didn't read this one either:

Statistics released today by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) show the most comprehensive fall in crime in Australia since the ABS began publishing national uniform crime statistics in 1993.

The ABS recorded national decreases in the recorded rate of offending for attempted murder, driving causing death, kidnapping/abduction, armed robbery, unarmed robbery, blackmail/extortion, unlawful entry (i.e. break and enter), motor vehicle theft and ‘other’ theft (e.g. steal from the person, shoplifting etc.).

The only other year in which similarly comprehensive decreases in crime occurred was 1999. However the falls in crime recorded in 1999 were not as large.

The rates of motor vehicle theft and break and enter in Australia are now lower than they were in 1993. The rate of armed robbery (which had risen sharply over the last decade), is now back below its 1997 level, while the rate of unarmed robbery is back below the 1998 level.

According to the ABS, NSW experienced big decreases in the incidence of armed robbery (down 32%), unarmed robbery (down 18%), break and enter (down 13%) and motor vehicle theft (down 20%)

.

Talk about cherry picking how about what you avoided?

Assault victims Australia 2.4% U.S. 1.2%

Ranked 4th. 100% more than United States Ranked 11th

Rape victims Australia 1% U.S. 0.4%
Ranked 5th. 150% more than United States Ranked 13th.

I don't think wildlife was what they were talking about maybe the human wildlife but not so much as mother nature.

But if you want to go with that we have wild dangerous Animals in America. we have poisonous snakes just about every where.,

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Robbery with a weapon not a firearm continued its upward trend in two SDs (Hunter and Mid-North Coast) and one metropolitan SSD (Newcastle).

The growth in this offence over the 24 months to September 2012 for the Hunter seems to be spreading across business/commercial premises (service stations, takeaway food outlets, chemists, newsagents and general stores). The growth for the Mid-North Coast was shared across residential, outdoor/ public places and licensed premises.

Further enquiries: Jackie Fitzgerald 9231 9190
NSW Recorded Crime Statistics: September 2012 Quarterly Report - Bureau of Crime Stats & Research : Lawlink NSW

 

[Dragonlady]

I disagree that a criminal's life is worth more than two hundred dollars. I find it hard to put a monetary value at all on a piece of shit like a criminal.

It doesn't matter whether you agree or not, in Canada, you can't bring a gun to a knife fight, unless you are a police officer.

 

[OODA_Loop]

It doesn't matter whether you agree or not, in Canada, you can't bring a gun to a knife fight, unless you are a police officer.

Patently retarded and I doubt it is the case.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I disagree that a criminal's life is worth more than two hundred dollars. I find it hard to put a monetary value at all on a piece of shit like a criminal.

It doesn't matter whether you agree or not, in Canada, you can't bring a gun to a knife fight, unless you are a police officer.

Maybe you don't get it Criminals don't care what you can and can't bring, they're going to bring what they want too bring

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I disagree that a criminal's life is worth more than two hundred dollars. I find it hard to put a monetary value at all on a piece of shit like a criminal.

It doesn't matter whether you agree or not, in Canada, you can't bring a gun to a knife fight, unless you are a police officer.

So you believe the criminal has a right to equal footing with the victim?
What a loon.....

 

[JoeB131]

You just succinctly enunciated the moral code of a thug.

Not at all...

I'm just tired of watching kids die because you have a fetish...

ROFL! No, you'd rather watch innocent people die because they didn't have a gun to defend themselves.

You don't give a damn about kids dying.

Guns are almost never effectively used in self-defense...

Non-starter argument.

Again, how is it we have 11,000 Gun Murders and Japan has 11? Oh, wait, the Japanese don't have guns!

That's it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not at all...

I'm just tired of watching kids die because you have a fetish...

ROFL! No, you'd rather watch innocent people die because they didn't have a gun to defend themselves.

You don't give a damn about kids dying.

Guns are almost never effectively used in self-defense...

Non-starter argument.

Again, how is it we have 11,000 Gun Murders and Japan has 11? Oh, wait, the Japanese don't have guns!

That's it.

Do you wear a shirt with the words I'm with stupid with the arrow pointed up at your face?
If not why do you keep making the same bullshit comment that keeps getting shot down?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Guns are almost never effectively used in self-defense...

Almost never ?

 

[MarcATL]

Oh.... yeah..... those "statistics"..... Have you taken the time to actually study how their compilations were done? How they "assessed" their data, lumping entire categories together that provide a very skewed view? The devil is in the details which is why I rely on the FBI stats. At least half of all firearm related deaths are due to gang related violence and the vast majority of gang owned firearms were not legally purchased.

Yes, I have taken the time to read this research. At the moment, that makes one of us.

Read the research with an open mind, and get back to me when you're done. Not before.

Why anyone would attack research he hadn't even looked at it beyond me.

I've got a couple words to help you understand...

1. Fanaticism

2. Radical reactionaries

They go hand-in-hand in gun-nut world.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

OH and that video?

Gun Control - Watch What Happens When Guns Are Banned - YouTube

The article you linked to was from a right wing American think tank with no links to support their assertions. That's hardly an unbiased source which you set as the only acceptable criteria for you to believe, so no sell there.

Your video appears to be made in the US, but there is no source. There is no TV station or television network logo shown onscreen, which would be present if this was an actual broadcast news piece. At no time does the reporter identify herself or her station/network. At the very least there should a sign off by saying "This is Lois Lane reporting for DPTV, but there isn't even that.

As for the video content, it's interviews with three what purports to be three disgruntled former gun owners. Your neighbour could have rounded up three Aussie blokes she knows, and cobbled the whole thing together on her computer. There are no statistics, no interviews with any sort of public official to discuss the purported increases in crime.

I provided multiple links from diverse right wing and non-partisan sources, with further links to government reports, all of which debunk the uncredited right wing materials you linked to.

You set the standards for the "proofs" and then failed to meet them yourself. Nice work.

Are you surprised?

Any country that would prosecute a store owner for protecting his life and store is about as backassward as you can get.

I dont care what kind of weapon the criminal had. He was planning on doing harm and got what he deserved. I hope the store owner shot him multiple times...I would have.

Yes, American put a high value on human life. Women shouldn't have abortions because that's killing, but if someone tries to take your cash or your TV, his life is worthless and he can be shot and killed with impunity.

That's not even an eye for an eye. That's a life for a few pieces of paper. If the robber had been armed and had killed the store owner for the $200 in the till, it would have been considered a most barbaric and heinous crime, to put such a low value on another life. The robber's life is also worth more than $200, even if he is a complete piece of shit.

The store owner also happened to be a City Councillor, who sat on the Police Services Board and was hard core right wing. He was forced to resign his seat on the board, and he lost his Council seat because of this act of vigilantyism. A lot of people agreed with you, but more agreed that we don't want store owners having guns behind their counters either.

Robbery attempts like these are very rare in Canada, and if the store owners are armed, the robbers will be and the body county will climb. I can count on the fingers of one hand how many store clerks in Toronto have been seriously injured in daylight robberies in the past 30 years on the fingers of one hand.

I disagree that a criminal's life is worth more than two hundred dollars. I find it hard to put a monetary value at all on a piece of shit like a criminal.

Thank God your crazy RW A$$ isn't in charge.

My goodness!!

*SMH*

 

[Saigon]

The article came from......get this.....
Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics

No it didn't. At the bottom of the link it says:

For text:

Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban - Austin gun rights | Examiner.com

The Examiner.com is a right wing blog owned by Phillip Anschultz.

Again, do you read this shit before you post links?

No, he does't.

BigReb would post anything - absolutely anything at all - that backs gun use.

Don't think for a minute that he doesn't know full well that homicide rates in the US are catastrophic.