Gun death rates are the highest in mainly red states.

[ElmerMudd]

The democrat party is the party of hate, racism, anti-semitism, and violence.....

You are an idiot.

Whatever. I am very glad I don't think like you. It is sick. You should realize this.
Your paranoia driven hate makes it impossible, for you, to ever be happy.

 

[2aguy]

You hang onto your guns. Go buy more.
You paranoia will result in you never feeling safe. You fear things you do not need to and always will. No number of guns will change your crazy paranoia thinking.

The Nazi gun control argument is the claim that gun regulations in Nazi Germany helped facilitate the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust.[1][2][3] Historians and fact-checkers have characterized the argument as dubious or false, and point out that Jews were under 1% of the population and that it would be unrealistic for such a small population to defend themselves even if they were armed.[2][3][4][5][6]

What you morons never understand is that if Germans as a group had guns, the nazis couldn't have beaten up the normal citizens and intimidated them into silence as they rose to power........

You see that now with the democrat party brown shirts, blm and antifa, who can burn, loot and murder when they are sent out by the democrats during election season. they are sent out to primarily black neighborhoods because those neighborhoods are in democrat party controlled cities, where they have extreme gun control. So when blm and antifa are burning, looting and murdering, and the democrat party tells the police to do nothing, no one can stop them........

You notice blm and antifa aren't sent into the suburbs....because the suburbs have guns.

The modern gun control laws in the U.S., after the democrat party gun control laws keeping slaves, then freed blacks from owning guns so they wouldn't shoot the democrat party brown shirts of the day...the kkk.............were the Sullivan Laws. These were laws created to keep New Yorkers from shooting the gang members working for the democrat party....

The strange birth of NYâs gun laws

Problem was the gangs worked for Tammany. The Democratic machine used them asshtarkers (sluggers), enforcing discipline at the polls and intimidating the opposition. Gang leaders like Monk Eastman were even employed as informal “sheriffs,” keeping their turf under Tammany control.

The Tammany Tiger needed to rein in the gangs without completely crippling them. Enter Big Tim with the perfect solution: Ostensibly disarm the gangs — and ordinary citizens, too — while still keeping them on the streets.

In fact, he gave the game away during the debate on the bill, which flew through Albany: “I want to make it so the young thugs in my district will get three years for carrying dangerous weapons instead of getting a sentence in the electric chair a year from now.”

Sullivan knew the gangs would flout the law, but appearances were more important than results. Young toughs took to sewing the pockets of their coats shut, so that cops couldn’t plant firearms on them, and many gangsters stashed their weapons inside their girlfriends’ “bird cages” — wire-mesh fashion contraptions around which women would wind their hair.

----Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, were disarmed, which solved another problem: Gangsters had been bitterly complaining to Tammany that their victims sometimes shot back at them.

So gang violence didn’t drop under the Sullivan Act — and really took off after the passage of Prohibition in 1920. Spectacular gangland rubouts — like the 1932 machine-gunning of “Mad Dog” Coll in a drugstore phone booth on 23rd Street — became the norm.

guns keep political parties from beating, and murdering their opponents.......which is why the democrats want to ban and confiscate guns...

 

[2aguy]

Whatever. I am very glad I don't think like you. It is sick. You should realize this.
Your paranoia driven hate makes it impossible, for you, to ever be happy.

Idiot....in all the research conservatives like me are far happier than idiots like you.....

It may be one of the most surefire findings in all of social psychology, repeatedly replicated over almost five decades of study: American conservatives say they are much happier than American liberals. They also report greater meaning and purpose in their lives, and higher overall life satisfaction. These links are so solidly evidenced that, for the most part, modern social scientists simply try to explain them. They've put forth numerous possible explanations.

There are a couple clear contributors to point out first. Marriage tends to make people happier, and conservatives are more likely to be married. Religious belief is also linked to happiness, and conservatives tend to be more religious.

But these explanations don't account for the entire gap, which equates to about a half-point on a four-point scale, a sizable happiness divide.

Social psychologist Jaime Napier, Program Head of Psychology at NYU-Abu Dhabi has conducted research suggesting that views about inequality play a role.

"One of the biggest correlates with happiness in our surveys was the belief of a meritocracy, which is the belief that anybody who works hard can make it," she told PBS. "That was the biggest predictor of happiness. That was also one of the biggest predictors of political ideology. So, the conservatives were much higher on these meritocratic beliefs than liberals were."

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2022/08/27/why_are_conservatives_happier_than_liberals_849615.html

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

All of 2aguy's cut,save,paste will not decide the end.

 

[whitehall]

You can juggle statistics to make a political point. Alaska ranks high on gun homicides while it averages about 200 per year while California is lower on the list while it averages about 2,500 gun related deaths per year.

 

[2aguy]

You can juggle statistics to make a political point. Alaska ranks high on gun homicides while it averages about 200 per year while California is lower on the list while it averages about 2,500 gun related deaths per year.

And most of the gun deaths in Alaska are suicides....

28% homicides

65% suicides

Alaska | The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence

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efsgv.org

California....

42% homicides

54% suicides.

California | The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence

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efsgv.org

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Gun death rates are the highest in mainly red states. I would assume these states have fewer gun restrictions.
I would have thought states like New York, Illinois and California have the highest gun death rates based on the news.
It is Montana, Wyoming, Louisiana, New Mexico, Mississippi and Alabama. All but New Mexico are red states

All in blue controlled areas

 

[ElmerMudd]

What you morons never understand is that if Germans as a group had guns, the nazis couldn't have beaten up the normal citizens and intimidated them into silence as they rose to power........

You see that now with the democrat party brown shirts, blm and antifa, who can burn, loot and murder when they are sent out by the democrats during election season. they are sent out to primarily black neighborhoods because those neighborhoods are in democrat party controlled cities, where they have extreme gun control. So when blm and antifa are burning, looting and murdering, and the democrat party tells the police to do nothing, no one can stop them........

You notice blm and antifa aren't sent into the suburbs....because the suburbs have guns.

The modern gun control laws in the U.S., after the democrat party gun control laws keeping slaves, then freed blacks from owning guns so they wouldn't shoot the democrat party brown shirts of the day...the kkk.............were the Sullivan Laws. These were laws created to keep New Yorkers from shooting the gang members working for the democrat party....

The strange birth of NYâs gun laws

Problem was the gangs worked for Tammany. The Democratic machine used them asshtarkers (sluggers), enforcing discipline at the polls and intimidating the opposition. Gang leaders like Monk Eastman were even employed as informal “sheriffs,” keeping their turf under Tammany control.

The Tammany Tiger needed to rein in the gangs without completely crippling them. Enter Big Tim with the perfect solution: Ostensibly disarm the gangs — and ordinary citizens, too — while still keeping them on the streets.

In fact, he gave the game away during the debate on the bill, which flew through Albany: “I want to make it so the young thugs in my district will get three years for carrying dangerous weapons instead of getting a sentence in the electric chair a year from now.”

Sullivan knew the gangs would flout the law, but appearances were more important than results. Young toughs took to sewing the pockets of their coats shut, so that cops couldn’t plant firearms on them, and many gangsters stashed their weapons inside their girlfriends’ “bird cages” — wire-mesh fashion contraptions around which women would wind their hair.

----Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, were disarmed, which solved another problem: Gangsters had been bitterly complaining to Tammany that their victims sometimes shot back at them.

So gang violence didn’t drop under the Sullivan Act — and really took off after the passage of Prohibition in 1920. Spectacular gangland rubouts — like the 1932 machine-gunning of “Mad Dog” Coll in a drugstore phone booth on 23rd Street — became the norm.

guns keep political parties from beating, and murdering their opponents.......which is why the democrats want to ban and confiscate guns...

Good luck taking your guns and fending off a rogue government. It is not the 1920's. If the gvernment wants to go after you, a gun will not stop them. They have much more sophisticated weapons to take you out. But they don't want to take you out. You may be put in jail based on advocating treasunous actions. You are creating your own reality.
Your paranoid thinking is sad. Your thinking is like the plague. It is contagious. Stupid people hear your misplaced logic driven by fear and buy in.

In grade school you would be called a scaredy cat. A fearful, weak individual. SAD but harmful. You think guns will make up for being weak. It will not.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Idiot....in all the research conservatives like me are far happier than idiots like you.....

It may be one of the most surefire findings in all of social psychology, repeatedly replicated over almost five decades of study: American conservatives say they are much happier than American liberals. They also report greater meaning and purpose in their lives, and higher overall life satisfaction. These links are so solidly evidenced that, for the most part, modern social scientists simply try to explain them. They've put forth numerous possible explanations.

There are a couple clear contributors to point out first. Marriage tends to make people happier, and conservatives are more likely to be married. Religious belief is also linked to happiness, and conservatives tend to be more religious.

But these explanations don't account for the entire gap, which equates to about a half-point on a four-point scale, a sizable happiness divide.

Social psychologist Jaime Napier, Program Head of Psychology at NYU-Abu Dhabi has conducted research suggesting that views about inequality play a role.

"One of the biggest correlates with happiness in our surveys was the belief of a meritocracy, which is the belief that anybody who works hard can make it," she told PBS. "That was the biggest predictor of happiness. That was also one of the biggest predictors of political ideology. So, the conservatives were much higher on these meritocratic beliefs than liberals were."

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2022/08/27/why_are_conservatives_happier_than_liberals_849615.html

There are many happy conservatives, liberals and everything in between.
But the extremists on both sides are driven by crazy unfounded fear. The fear does not allow them to compromise and find a HAPPY medium.
As a result they will always be unhappy.
ANTIFA and MAGA are more alike than different. Whackos.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Good luck taking your guns and fending off a rogue government. It is not the 1920's. If the gvernment wants to go after you, a gun will not stop them. They have much more sophisticated weapons to take you out. But they don't want to take you out. You may be put in jail based on advocating treasunous actions. You are creating your own reality.
Your paranoid thinking is sad. Your thinking is like the plague. It is contagious. Stupid people hear your misplaced logic driven by fear and buy in.

In grade school you would be called a scaredy cat. A fearful, weak individual. SAD but harmful. You think guns will make up for being weak. It will not.

Crawl on your belly

 

[KissMy]

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives...from rape, robbery, murder, beatings, stabbings and even mass public shootings....according to the Centers for Disease Control.

The majority of those who are actually shot, are criminals, shot by other criminals, or their friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire, or hit instead of the actual criminal.

You do not understand the issue......not even close.

Wrong! - Your guns save a million is pure fictional BS!

376 well armored & armed law enforcement officers entered the school in Uvalde, Texas and didn't save a single life!

Every Year:

Only 552 Criminals are killed by guns.

Only 1,376 Criminals are shot by guns and survive.

33,212 innocent people are unintentionally shot.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong! - Your guns save a million is pure fictional BS!

376 well armored & armed law enforcement officers entered the school in Uvalde, Texas and didn't save a single life!

Every Year:

Only 552 Criminals are killed by guns.

Only 1,376 Criminals are shot by guns and survive.

33,212 innocent people are unintentionally shot.

The same week as Uvalde.......a woman with her gun stopped another attacker who also had an AR-15 rifle...she wasn't a cop...she didn't even have body armor......and she stopped him all by herself...

Witnesses said Butler seemed agitated and left but returned to the complex shortly after, armed with an AR-15 style rifle, and started shooting at the crowd.

Police said a woman pulled out her pistol, shooting and killing him.

"This lady was carrying a lawful firearm," Hazelett said. "A law abiding citizen who stopped the threat of probably 20 or 30 people getting killed. She engaged the threat and stopped it. She didn't run from the threat, she engaged it. Preventing a mass casualty event here in Charleston."

Woman credited with stopping mass shooting at apartment complex in West Virginia

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Then you had the Indiana Mall Shooting.....a guy, not a cop, no body armor, with his concealed carry pistol also stopped a mass public shooter, who also had an AR-15 rifle....

Fifteen seconds after the shooting began, Elisjsha Dicken, a legally-armed 22-year-old man from Seymour, engaged the shooter in a gunfight. Dicken, a civilian bystander, was shopping with his girlfriend when the perpetrator opened fire.[7] From a distance of forty yards, Dicken fired ten rounds from a Glock handgun, hitting the shooter eight times. The shooter fired once, and attempted to retreat into the restroom, but instead fell to the ground and died soon afterwards.[8][9][10]

Afterward, Dicken approached security guards at the mall, informed them that he had neutralized the shooter, and waited for police to arrive.[7]

Greenwood Park Mall shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

33,212 innocent people are unintentionally shot.
What orifice did you pull that crap out of.......please link to your source...

Meanwhile, actual research......from both government and private researchers.......
Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct



that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—

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A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Wrong! - Your guns save a million is pure fictional BS!

376 well armored & armed law enforcement officers entered the school in Uvalde, Texas and didn't save a single life!

Every Year:

Only 552 Criminals are killed by guns.

Only 1,376 Criminals are shot by guns and survive.

33,212 innocent people are unintentionally shot.

The figures they quote are including all of the LEO actions. "A good guy with a gun" saves very, very few citizens.

 

[2aguy]

The figures they quote are including all of the LEO actions. "A good guy with a gun" saves very, very few citizens.

No, dumb ass, they do not include law enforcement and they do not include the military……

1.1 million times a year according to the CDC…..1.5 million according to the Dept. of Justice ……and those are just two of the studies……you dumb clod.

You idiots have to include suicide to inflate your numbers while doing your best to hide the democrats who actually cause the gun murder and crime rates.

 

[Blues Man]

Pull your head out of your backside, you moron. The problem is that both parties (not just one) will not work together.

Everyone knows where the most murders occur. In fact the vast majority of murders occur in small well defined areas in just a handful of cities. These ultra-violent areas are usually confined to very small parts in these cities. But since it's mostly young poor male minorities killing other young poor male minorities, the powers that be don't really give a shit

 

[Blues Man]

The figures they quote are including all of the LEO actions. "A good guy with a gun" saves very, very few citizens.

So what?

I don't own a gun to save other people. I'm not a cop. I don't want to be a cop. I own guns for my own protection and the protection of my wife and home. Unlike you I know that SCOTUS has ruled the police have no legal obligation to come to the aid of anyone. So you can put your trust in the cops if you want and hey maybe they'll show up 30 minutes after you get dead

 

[2aguy]

Everyone knows where the most murders occur. In fact the vast majority of murders occur in small well defined areas in just a handful of cities. These ultra-violent areas are usually confined to very small parts in these cities. But since it's mostly young poor male minorities killing other young poor male minorities, the powers that be don't really give a shit

They don't care because the democrats know that the minorities will vote for democrats at almost a 95% rate, no matter how horrible the democrats treat them and their children. The democrats control those cities from top to bottom, and they have controlled those cities for decades, in some cases over 100 years. The destruction against these minorities would be considered human rights violations, war crimes, if people would simply stop and analyze what the democrats have done........the democrat party controlled schools refuse to teach basic math, reading and writing........the policies of the democrat party have created broken homes which have led to generational crime and poverty............that minorities continue to vote for democrats is simply amazing......the blood of their children for generations is on the hands of the democrat party, and they continue to vote for them....

Amazing and so terribly sad....

At the least, if they believe the lies of the democrats and refuse to vote for Republicans.....simply on the word of the democrat party....you would think they would form a new political party and just stop giving their votes to a political party that has destroyed their lives.......but they don't........

 

[Hollie]

Pull your head out of your backside, you moron. The problem is that both parties (not just one) will not work together.

Overall, the Republican Party is not going to work with the Democrat / Marxist party to step all over the Constitution. The Democrat / Marxist party is the party of totalitarianism and suppression of rights.

It’s painfully obvious in poll after poll that firearms sales have set record after record because of Democrat / Marxist party policies of no bail and setting repeat criminal offenders free which is aiding and abetting criminals. People are fearful for their safety and understand that Democrat / Marxist party policies leave them to fend for themselves.

 

[Bell Huey]

Wrong! - Your guns save a million is pure fictional BS!

376 well armored & armed law enforcement officers entered the school in Uvalde, Texas and didn't save a single life!

Every Year:

Only 552 Criminals are killed by guns.

Only 1,376 Criminals are shot by guns and survive.

33,212 innocent people are unintentionally shot.

In some areas of the country the fear of a legally armed population or homeowner prevents many crimes.

 

[San Souci]

Why does the US have the highest murder rate of any economic or socially advanced country in the world?

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Murder Rates (per 100k people) in 2017:*​

1. El Salvador (61.7)
2. Honduras (41.0)
3. Venezuela (49.9)
4. United States Virgin Islands (49.3 [2012 data])
5. Jamaica (56.4)
6. Lesotho (43.6 [[2016 data]] per 100k people)
7. Belize (37.8)
8. Saint Vincent And The Grenadines (36.5 [2016 data])
9. Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.1 [2012 data])
10. South Africa (35.7)

Murder Rate by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Because our Justice system is weak. Letting killers out on the street after a few years. Prison should be punishment. Not "Rehab".