CDZ Gun deaths in all states per capita

[alang1216]

You're looking in the wrong place. Check the text of the Second Amendment.

You're conflating two different ideas. Nice try though.

The right to keep and bear arms is held by the people, not limited to members of an organized militia.

That is just one interpretation, there are many other views.

The voters of NYC are criminals for violating people's civil liberties for no reason. They should be forced to pay reparations to their victims.

For 'no reason'? Really?

 

[Open Bolt]

You're conflating two different ideas. Nice try though.

What two ideas are these?

That is just one interpretation, there are many other views.

It is the only correct interpretation. Other views are fraudulent.

For 'no reason'? Really?

Yes.

Well, I guess it depends on what you count as a reason.

The reason why progressives violate people's civil liberties is because progressives actually enjoy violating people's rights.

I guess technically "the joy of harming other people" counts as a reason. At least in the minds of progressives it does.

But I personally don't consider it a valid reason to violate people's civil liberties.

 

[martybegan]

You mean they are crapped on by the voters of NYC. It is called democracy.

So you feel the same about voters in Alabama banning abortion?

 

[martybegan]

Ummmm.... word salad ^^^

Reading it three times I concluded this is word salad.

Word salad is defined as “a jumble of extremely incoherent speech as sometimes observed in schizophrenia,” and has been used of patients suffering from other kinds of dementia, such as Alzheimer's.

Like a salad encased in Jell-O, a 'word salad' doesn't make a lot of sense.

If all you got is a procedural attempt at a retort, you got nothing.

 

[XponentialChaos]

It doesn't matter what they use to do their damage though. Their victims would be just as dead if they killed them some other way.

The focus needs to be on stopping murderers, not on changing the technique that murderers use to commit their crimes. Especially when that technique cannot be changed without violating people's civil liberties.

It doesn’t matter to you. It does matter to me what they use to do maximum damage. They’re not going on killing sprees with axes or hatchets. They’re using guns to kill as many people as they possibly can.

I’m fine with stopping murderers as well. But as it stands now, we had a couple of 18-year-old psychopaths and we handed them AR-15 rifles. Not smart.

 

[Open Bolt]

It doesn’t matter to you. It does matter to me what they use to do maximum damage. They’re not going on killing sprees with axes or hatchets. They’re using guns to kill as many people as they possibly can.

The victims would not be any less dead if they were killed with axes or hatchets. Or with bombs or incendiaries or with trucks driven into crowds at high speed.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The victims would not be any less dead if they were killed with axes or hatchets. Or with bombs or incendiaries or with trucks driven into crowds at high speed.

They wouldn’t be any less dead. There are just less people who would be killed by mass hatchet attacks.

I’ve already explained this.

 

[Open Bolt]

There are just less people who would be killed by mass hatchet attacks.

Not likely. Hatchet attacks can kill that many people. Bombs and incendiaries and high-speed trucks can kill even more yet.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Not likely. Hatchet attacks can kill that many people. Bombs and incendiaries and high-speed trucks can kill even more yet.

Yet the mass killings are most commonly done with guns, not hatchets or bombs or trucks.

 

[Open Bolt]

Yet the mass killings are most commonly done with guns, not hatchets or bombs or trucks.

So what? That doesn't make the victims any more dead than if they were killed some other way.

 

[2aguy]

Because it has more people.

Wrong....they have extreme gun control..the number of people doesn't matter, in the face of Texas and their gun laws..........

more gun murder in California with their extreme gun control laws....vs. Texas and their freedoms...

 

[2aguy]

Yet the mass killings are most commonly done with guns, not hatchets or bombs or trucks.

And everyone of the mass killings is stopped by good guys with guns......

Mass public shootings in 2021....

6

6 individuals used guns illegally to commit murder...

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, stabbings, beatings, and yes, even mass public shootings.....

Can you tell which number is bigger?

 

[XponentialChaos]

So what? That doesn't make the victims any more dead than if they were killed some other way.

I’ve already addressed this multiple times.

 

[XponentialChaos]

And everyone of the mass killings is stopped by good guys with guns......

Mass public shootings in 2021....

6

6 individuals used guns illegally to commit murder...

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, stabbings, beatings, and yes, even mass public shootings.....

Can you tell which number is bigger?

Yet gun murders are increasing like you already admitted.

 

[2aguy]

Yet gun murders are increasing like you already admitted.

And you won't admit why they have increased since 2015....

Gun murders up to 2015 were going down........49%

Gun crime was going down, up to 2015.....75%

Violent crime in general was going down, up to 2015.....72%...

What changed.....what will you not admit....what are you hiding...because you are a gun grabber?

1) The democrat party in 2015 decided to use attacking the police as a political strategy...they succeeded...the police quit, retired, in vast numbers to protect their families from persection...they also stopped doing their jobs....responding to 911 calls be no longer engaging in active police work...

2) the democrat party prosecutors, judges and politicians, decided that releasing violent gun offenders and other violent criminals was the policy they wanted to put into over drive....California just passed not informing the police about violent, dangerous students.....

3) The democrat party ordered their brownshirts, blm and antifa to burn, loot and kill in black neighborhoods for 7 months...the democrat party mayors in control of those cities ordered the police to stand down and do nothing to protect those black Americans...

That is why gun crime has gone up...

You don't want that known.....

 

[Open Bolt]

I’ve already addressed this multiple times.

I still don't think it matters what method a murderer uses to kill someone. The problem is the murder itself, not the method of the murder.

Yet gun murders are increasing like you already admitted.

I don't see why that matters.

 

[2aguy]

Yet gun murders are increasing like you already admitted.

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.

And about mass public shooters?

The democrats...

n the recent light of the tragic Texas Robb elementary school shooting; California State Senator Steven Bradford put out bill SB1273. This bill would take the mandatory requirement for schools to report any violent threat to the law enforcement away from schools; meaning schools don’t have to report these violent threats to law authorities.

New CA Bill Would No Longer Require Schools to Report Bad Student Behavior to Police - San Diego News Desk

Written by Diego Hays In the recent light of the tragic Texas Robb elementary school shooting; California State Senator Steven Bradford put out bill SB1273. This bill would take the mandatory requirement for schools to report any violent threat to the law enforcement away from schools; meaning...

www.sandiegonewsdesk.com

 

[2aguy]

I still don't think it matters what method a murderer uses to kill someone. The problem is the murder itself, not the method of the murder.



I don't see why that matters.

If these killers start to use vehicles to run people down, the death toll will be much higher....

 

[XponentialChaos]

And you won't admit why they have increased since 2015....

Gun murders up to 2015 were going down........49%

Gun crime was going down, up to 2015.....75%

Violent crime in general was going down, up to 2015.....72%...

What changed.....what will you not admit....what are you hiding...because you are a gun grabber?

1) The democrat party in 2015 decided to use attacking the police as a political strategy...they succeeded...the police quit, retired, in vast numbers to protect their families from persection...they also stopped doing their jobs....responding to 911 calls be no longer engaging in active police work...

2) the democrat party prosecutors, judges and politicians, decided that releasing violent gun offenders and other violent criminals was the policy they wanted to put into over drive....California just passed not informing the police about violent, dangerous students.....

3) The democrat party ordered their brownshirts, blm and antifa to burn, loot and kill in black neighborhoods for 7 months...the democrat party mayors in control of those cities ordered the police to stand down and do nothing to protect those black Americans...

That is why gun crime has gone up...

You don't want that known......you are really a vile human being.

Calling someome a vile human being in the clean debate zone isn’t appropriate.

What YOU think the reason for increasing murders isn’t necessarily the actual reason.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I still don't think it matters what method a murderer uses to kill someone. The problem is the murder itself, not the method of the murder.



I don't see why that matters.

I’ve already addressed this as well.