Gun Debate Illustrates Two Different Americas

[francoHFW]

Too many guns is the problem, obviously. This is the only country where law enforcement are regularly gunned down and killed. They also regularly shoot and kill people. These things don't happen where there is strong gun control. Law enforcement needs to demand gun control.

FALSE! Law enforcement cops in middle eastern countries and throughout Africa, are gunned down and killed at hundreds of times the rate as in the US. Same in some countries in Latin America (including Mexico)

Lets compare to France:
French police are targeted but rarely killed

In France, the death of even one police officer in the line of duty, as happened on the Champs-Élysées in Paris on Thursday, is rare. Unlike in the United States, where there are more than 100 such fatalities in a typical year, fewer than a dozen French police officers are killed annually, and sometimes the number is as low as a half-dozen.

In 2015, the year for which the most recent French government data are available, six police officers were killed in the line of duty, according to an October 2016 report by the National Institute of Higher Studies of Security and Justice. In 2014, 11 officers were killed, and the total for the year before that was 10. The numbers dating to 2010 are slightly lower.

And now the US:
Officers killed in the line of duty in 2018

Since the start of 2018, at least 22 law enforcement officers across the U.S. have died while on duty - with 16 of the deaths caused by gunfire.

The year is still young... Law enforcement needs to demand gun control.

Anti gunners focus on the gun murder rate because the criminals in Europe do not kill each other or their victims as easily or as often as our criminals do.....so far. That is changing.

What they are trying desperately to hide is the fact that the actual gun confiscation and gun control laws in Europe do not work.....criminals get guns easily, as do terrorists on government terrorist watch lists...this means more violent crime, but the criminals do not cross the line into murder.....

France..

Five things to know about guns in France

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.
Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.
The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

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Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.



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France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.
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How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

France became particularly worried about the trafficking of illegal guns in 2012, increasing fines and jail terms for those involved in the trafficking and possession of them. Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said in Septemberthat police have seized nearly 6,000 weapons from criminal groups each year since 2013, 1,200 of which were military assault weapons. And in the three weeks following the Nov. 13 attacks, Cazeneuve said French police seized 334 weapons, 34 of them military-grade.

Several officials and experts tell TIME they’ve seen a noticeable climb in both the numbers and the types of illicit weapons crossing borders over the past few years. Rather than pistols and small guns, there has been a spike in demand for military-grade assault weapons. This reflects a very different kind of criminality: petty criminals and drug dealers tend to want small pistols that they can conceal; terrorists want AK-47s that can do maximum damage.

It helps if you're an Isis terrorist LOL

 

[2aguy]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

No....liar....Florida has the 2nd largest number of concealed carry permits in the country and their crime rates are going down, not up....you lying troll...


FDLE - Florida crime down in the first half of 2017

The crimes of murder, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary and larceny were down in this report while the crimes of rape and motor vehicle theft increased. Domestic violence fell one percent, with domestic violence murder and aggravated assault down while rape and stalking were up.

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Governor Scott: Florida at a 43-Year Crime Low

The total number of crimes fell 3.8 percent from last year which translates into 27,380 fewer crimes in 2013. The number of violent crimes was also down 2.4 percent.Murder is down 3.9 percent, forcible sex offenses and robbery each declined 2.8 percent and aggravated assault is down 2.1 percent.

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Crime down in most of Central Florida during first half of 2017, FDLE says

Crime dropped in Orange and Seminole counties by nearly 4 percent, and in Osceola County by more than 8 percent. The exception was Lake County, where crime increased by about 6 percent.

Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings called it “extraordinary” that crime numbers were down despite the population growth and tourism in the county.

He credited crime-fighting efforts in Pine Hills as one reason for the decrease. There were 36 homicides through June in all of Orange County, compared to 57 — not including the Pulse nightclub massacre — during the same period last year.




Florida has the most concealed carry permits..

Which state has the most gun permits?

Looking for more current numbers, we found Florida had nearly 1.4 million permit holders as of March 2015, while Texas has 825,957 as of December 2014, according to each state's official count. Florida’s number is about 1.7 times higher than Texas, which is close to Bush’s words of "nearly double."
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[Brain357]

Too many guns is the problem, obviously. This is the only country where law enforcement are regularly gunned down and killed. They also regularly shoot and kill people. These things don't happen where there is strong gun control. Law enforcement needs to demand gun control.

FALSE! Law enforcement cops in middle eastern countries and throughout Africa, are gunned down and killed at hundreds of times the rate as in the US. Same in some countries in Latin America (including Mexico)

Lets compare to France:
French police are targeted but rarely killed

In France, the death of even one police officer in the line of duty, as happened on the Champs-Élysées in Paris on Thursday, is rare. Unlike in the United States, where there are more than 100 such fatalities in a typical year, fewer than a dozen French police officers are killed annually, and sometimes the number is as low as a half-dozen.

In 2015, the year for which the most recent French government data are available, six police officers were killed in the line of duty, according to an October 2016 report by the National Institute of Higher Studies of Security and Justice. In 2014, 11 officers were killed, and the total for the year before that was 10. The numbers dating to 2010 are slightly lower.

And now the US:
Officers killed in the line of duty in 2018

Since the start of 2018, at least 22 law enforcement officers across the U.S. have died while on duty - with 16 of the deaths caused by gunfire.

The year is still young... Law enforcement needs to demand gun control.

Anti gunners focus on the gun murder rate because the criminals in Europe do not kill each other or their victims as easily or as often as our criminals do.....so far. That is changing.

What they are trying desperately to hide is the fact that the actual gun confiscation and gun control laws in Europe do not work.....criminals get guns easily, as do terrorists on government terrorist watch lists...this means more violent crime, but the criminals do not cross the line into murder.....

France..

Five things to know about guns in France

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.
Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.
The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

============================
Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.



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France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.
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How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

France became particularly worried about the trafficking of illegal guns in 2012, increasing fines and jail terms for those involved in the trafficking and possession of them. Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said in Septemberthat police have seized nearly 6,000 weapons from criminal groups each year since 2013, 1,200 of which were military assault weapons. And in the three weeks following the Nov. 13 attacks, Cazeneuve said French police seized 334 weapons, 34 of them military-grade.

Several officials and experts tell TIME they’ve seen a noticeable climb in both the numbers and the types of illicit weapons crossing borders over the past few years. Rather than pistols and small guns, there has been a spike in demand for military-grade assault weapons. This reflects a very different kind of criminality: petty criminals and drug dealers tend to want small pistols that they can conceal; terrorists want AK-47s that can do maximum damage.

Yes the country with weak gun laws seems to have the most gun homicide. Shocking to nobody intelligent.

 

[2aguy]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

 

[Brain357]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

No....liar....Florida has the 2nd largest number of concealed carry permits in the country and their crime rates are going down, not up....you lying troll...


FDLE - Florida crime down in the first half of 2017

The crimes of murder, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary and larceny were down in this report while the crimes of rape and motor vehicle theft increased. Domestic violence fell one percent, with domestic violence murder and aggravated assault down while rape and stalking were up.

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Governor Scott: Florida at a 43-Year Crime Low

The total number of crimes fell 3.8 percent from last year which translates into 27,380 fewer crimes in 2013. The number of violent crimes was also down 2.4 percent.Murder is down 3.9 percent, forcible sex offenses and robbery each declined 2.8 percent and aggravated assault is down 2.1 percent.

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Crime down in most of Central Florida during first half of 2017, FDLE says

Crime dropped in Orange and Seminole counties by nearly 4 percent, and in Osceola County by more than 8 percent. The exception was Lake County, where crime increased by about 6 percent.

Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings called it “extraordinary” that crime numbers were down despite the population growth and tourism in the county.

He credited crime-fighting efforts in Pine Hills as one reason for the decrease. There were 36 homicides through June in all of Orange County, compared to 57 — not including the Pulse nightclub massacre — during the same period last year.




Florida has the most concealed carry permits..

Which state has the most gun permits?

Looking for more current numbers, we found Florida had nearly 1.4 million permit holders as of March 2015, while Texas has 825,957 as of December 2014, according to each state's official count. Florida’s number is about 1.7 times higher than Texas, which is close to Bush’s words of "nearly double."
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They have a much higher homicide rate than New York. Fact!

They also just had another mass shooting....

 

[Brain357]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

Again for those were are really slow. Florida has a much higher homicide rate than New York. Fact.

 

[2aguy]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying troll...

Baltimore, a city.....with extreme gun control has more murder than Miami Dade.....

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

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Murder rate 2017
Baltimore......343
Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

 

[francoHFW]

And any GOP representative who crosses
The NRA gets primaried out of power. By the NRA and its Goons. No one is against hunting rifles and shotguns. And handguns for a very few. And that was always enough until this NRA Dupe insanity.

WHAT NRA dupe insanity ? Try telling us what you're talking about. If you know.

And you're also off topic. The topic is about the dichotomy between the gun culture and the anti-gun culture, Not necessary to bring th NRA into this one bit.

There never were two cultures until the NRA bought the GOP and all these psycho guns came on the market.

Ok, I've seen about enough of this garbage. If the NRA has bought the GOP, then the unions must surely own, in full, the entire left. Let me explain:

Labor unions donated $765 million between 2012 and 2016, and 99% went to left-wing groups
from the article:

So, do you still want to talk about who owns who?

I'd rather be listening to regular workers than gun manufacturers and greedy idiot billionaires...

 

[Brain357]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

Gun ownership and carry goes up and so does rape and murder!
Florida's crime rate drops despite sharp increase in murders, rapes

TALLAHASSEE — There was a significant increase in murders, rapes and motor vehicle thefts in Florida last year, according to crime statistics released by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Friday.

There were 1,040 murders in Florida last year, up from 984 the year before. That includes 767 murders involving guns, an increase of 11.2 percent. That's the most murders in Florida since 2008, when FDLE reported 1,168.

There were also 7,537 reported rapes in Florida, an increase of 6.1 percent over 2014. Aggravated assaults increased by 3.9 percent, from 58,271 to 60,539, and motor vehicle thefts jumped by 12.4 percent from 36,111 to 40,478.

 

[2aguy]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

Again for those were are really slow. Florida has a much higher homicide rate than New York. Fact.

Wrong....as more Floridians carry guns their gun murder rate has gone down,.....

Miami was once a murder capital. The gunfire deaths this year tell a new story

In the first six months of this year, Baltimore, with a slightly larger population than Miami, has seen more than 170 homicides. Kansas City had 98. Milwaukee had 60 and Atlanta, 57.

Yet, “that stigma continues. We still have a bad rap,” said Miami Police Assistant Chief Jorge Colina. “We’re not Paradise Lost anymore. We’re just paradise. It was madness before.”

Despite the significant drop in homicides during the first half of this year, crime science experts warn to be careful when it comes to small sample sizes. Homicides have steadily decreased in Miami the past decade. Last year, the city recorded 60 homicides. In 2015 there were 75 and in 2014 Miami had 81 homicides.

 

[francoHFW]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying troll...

Baltimore, a city.....with extreme gun control has more murder than Miami Dade.....

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

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Murder rate 2017
Baltimore......343
Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

These cities' illegal guns are mainly bought in Indiana and Virginia legally and brought to the inner city so so the blacks can kill can over who sells drugs to whites.

 

[Brain357]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying troll...

Baltimore, a city.....with extreme gun control has more murder than Miami Dade.....

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

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Murder rate 2017
Baltimore......343
Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

We weren't discussing Baltimore, try to keep up!

 

[Brain357]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

Again for those were are really slow. Florida has a much higher homicide rate than New York. Fact.

Wrong....as more Floridians carry guns their gun murder rate has gone down,.....

Miami was once a murder capital. The gunfire deaths this year tell a new story

In the first six months of this year, Baltimore, with a slightly larger population than Miami, has seen more than 170 homicides. Kansas City had 98. Milwaukee had 60 and Atlanta, 57.

Yet, “that stigma continues. We still have a bad rap,” said Miami Police Assistant Chief Jorge Colina. “We’re not Paradise Lost anymore. We’re just paradise. It was madness before.”

Despite the significant drop in homicides during the first half of this year, crime science experts warn to be careful when it comes to small sample sizes. Homicides have steadily decreased in Miami the past decade. Last year, the city recorded 60 homicides. In 2015 there were 75 and in 2014 Miami had 81 homicides.

And their homicide rate is significantly higher than New York.

 

[2aguy]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

Gun ownership and carry goes up and so does rape and murder!
Florida's crime rate drops despite sharp increase in murders, rapes

TALLAHASSEE — There was a significant increase in murders, rapes and motor vehicle thefts in Florida last year, according to crime statistics released by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Friday.

There were 1,040 murders in Florida last year, up from 984 the year before. That includes 767 murders involving guns, an increase of 11.2 percent. That's the most murders in Florida since 2008, when FDLE reported 1,168.

There were also 7,537 reported rapes in Florida, an increase of 6.1 percent over 2014. Aggravated assaults increased by 3.9 percent, from 58,271 to 60,539, and motor vehicle thefts jumped by 12.4 percent from 36,111 to 40,478.

Yes....moron...women are one of the groups with the lowest level of concealed gun carry.........you dope.....and as research shows, carrying a gun is the best way to stop a rape...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

 

[2aguy]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying troll...

Baltimore, a city.....with extreme gun control has more murder than Miami Dade.....

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

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Murder rate 2017
Baltimore......343
Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

We weren't discussing Baltimore, try to keep up!

Yeah...you don't want to discuss baltimore because it has a higher gun murder rate than Miami.....and houston...to cities with high gun ownership, gun stores on every corner and one is on the border with a Narco state while the other is the entry way for drugs because of it's coasts...

Baltimore has extreme gun control..every gun control law you asshats want and it has a higher gun murder rate than New York, Houston and Miami......

 

[Brain357]

You are aware NY has the largest city in the country and still has a lower homicide rate than FL right?

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

Gun ownership and carry goes up and so does rape and murder!
Florida's crime rate drops despite sharp increase in murders, rapes

TALLAHASSEE — There was a significant increase in murders, rapes and motor vehicle thefts in Florida last year, according to crime statistics released by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Friday.

There were 1,040 murders in Florida last year, up from 984 the year before. That includes 767 murders involving guns, an increase of 11.2 percent. That's the most murders in Florida since 2008, when FDLE reported 1,168.

There were also 7,537 reported rapes in Florida, an increase of 6.1 percent over 2014. Aggravated assaults increased by 3.9 percent, from 58,271 to 60,539, and motor vehicle thefts jumped by 12.4 percent from 36,111 to 40,478.

Yes....moron...women are one of the groups with the lowest level of concealed gun carry.........you dope.....and as research shows, carrying a gun is the best way to stop a rape...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

More concealed carry and more rape and murder.

 

[2aguy]

Too many guns is the problem, obviously. This is the only country where law enforcement are regularly gunned down and killed. They also regularly shoot and kill people. These things don't happen where there is strong gun control. Law enforcement needs to demand gun control.

FALSE! Law enforcement cops in middle eastern countries and throughout Africa, are gunned down and killed at hundreds of times the rate as in the US. Same in some countries in Latin America (including Mexico)

Lets compare to France:
French police are targeted but rarely killed

In France, the death of even one police officer in the line of duty, as happened on the Champs-Élysées in Paris on Thursday, is rare. Unlike in the United States, where there are more than 100 such fatalities in a typical year, fewer than a dozen French police officers are killed annually, and sometimes the number is as low as a half-dozen.

In 2015, the year for which the most recent French government data are available, six police officers were killed in the line of duty, according to an October 2016 report by the National Institute of Higher Studies of Security and Justice. In 2014, 11 officers were killed, and the total for the year before that was 10. The numbers dating to 2010 are slightly lower.

And now the US:
Officers killed in the line of duty in 2018

Since the start of 2018, at least 22 law enforcement officers across the U.S. have died while on duty - with 16 of the deaths caused by gunfire.

The year is still young... Law enforcement needs to demand gun control.

Anti gunners focus on the gun murder rate because the criminals in Europe do not kill each other or their victims as easily or as often as our criminals do.....so far. That is changing.

What they are trying desperately to hide is the fact that the actual gun confiscation and gun control laws in Europe do not work.....criminals get guns easily, as do terrorists on government terrorist watch lists...this means more violent crime, but the criminals do not cross the line into murder.....

France..

Five things to know about guns in France

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.
Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.
The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

============================
Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.



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France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.
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How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

France became particularly worried about the trafficking of illegal guns in 2012, increasing fines and jail terms for those involved in the trafficking and possession of them. Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said in Septemberthat police have seized nearly 6,000 weapons from criminal groups each year since 2013, 1,200 of which were military assault weapons. And in the three weeks following the Nov. 13 attacks, Cazeneuve said French police seized 334 weapons, 34 of them military-grade.

Several officials and experts tell TIME they’ve seen a noticeable climb in both the numbers and the types of illicit weapons crossing borders over the past few years. Rather than pistols and small guns, there has been a spike in demand for military-grade assault weapons. This reflects a very different kind of criminality: petty criminals and drug dealers tend to want small pistols that they can conceal; terrorists want AK-47s that can do maximum damage.

Yes the country with weak gun laws seems to have the most gun homicide. Shocking to nobody intelligent.

Asshat......Britain has increasing gun crime, dittos Australia and France, their criminals are not murdering people.....

 

[2aguy]

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

Again for those were are really slow. Florida has a much higher homicide rate than New York. Fact.

Wrong....as more Floridians carry guns their gun murder rate has gone down,.....

Miami was once a murder capital. The gunfire deaths this year tell a new story

In the first six months of this year, Baltimore, with a slightly larger population than Miami, has seen more than 170 homicides. Kansas City had 98. Milwaukee had 60 and Atlanta, 57.

Yet, “that stigma continues. We still have a bad rap,” said Miami Police Assistant Chief Jorge Colina. “We’re not Paradise Lost anymore. We’re just paradise. It was madness before.”

Despite the significant drop in homicides during the first half of this year, crime science experts warn to be careful when it comes to small sample sizes. Homicides have steadily decreased in Miami the past decade. Last year, the city recorded 60 homicides. In 2015 there were 75 and in 2014 Miami had 81 homicides.

And their homicide rate is significantly higher than New York.

So you want to compare all shootings to France? You must be joking.

I can't read it. Too blurry.

In any case, you be the guy without the gun (like my friend in NY). I'll be the guy WITH the gun.

Of course you can't. WE have way more gun murder than any other developed country in the world. FACT!

Nope.....wrong......some of our states have higher gun murder rates but those are the ones with democrat controlled cities driving up the gun murder rate.

 

[Brain357]

Too many guns is the problem, obviously. This is the only country where law enforcement are regularly gunned down and killed. They also regularly shoot and kill people. These things don't happen where there is strong gun control. Law enforcement needs to demand gun control.

FALSE! Law enforcement cops in middle eastern countries and throughout Africa, are gunned down and killed at hundreds of times the rate as in the US. Same in some countries in Latin America (including Mexico)

Lets compare to France:
French police are targeted but rarely killed

In France, the death of even one police officer in the line of duty, as happened on the Champs-Élysées in Paris on Thursday, is rare. Unlike in the United States, where there are more than 100 such fatalities in a typical year, fewer than a dozen French police officers are killed annually, and sometimes the number is as low as a half-dozen.

In 2015, the year for which the most recent French government data are available, six police officers were killed in the line of duty, according to an October 2016 report by the National Institute of Higher Studies of Security and Justice. In 2014, 11 officers were killed, and the total for the year before that was 10. The numbers dating to 2010 are slightly lower.

And now the US:
Officers killed in the line of duty in 2018

Since the start of 2018, at least 22 law enforcement officers across the U.S. have died while on duty - with 16 of the deaths caused by gunfire.

The year is still young... Law enforcement needs to demand gun control.

Anti gunners focus on the gun murder rate because the criminals in Europe do not kill each other or their victims as easily or as often as our criminals do.....so far. That is changing.

What they are trying desperately to hide is the fact that the actual gun confiscation and gun control laws in Europe do not work.....criminals get guns easily, as do terrorists on government terrorist watch lists...this means more violent crime, but the criminals do not cross the line into murder.....

France..

Five things to know about guns in France

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.
Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.
The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

============================
Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.



-------------=================
France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.
----------------------
How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

France became particularly worried about the trafficking of illegal guns in 2012, increasing fines and jail terms for those involved in the trafficking and possession of them. Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said in Septemberthat police have seized nearly 6,000 weapons from criminal groups each year since 2013, 1,200 of which were military assault weapons. And in the three weeks following the Nov. 13 attacks, Cazeneuve said French police seized 334 weapons, 34 of them military-grade.

Several officials and experts tell TIME they’ve seen a noticeable climb in both the numbers and the types of illicit weapons crossing borders over the past few years. Rather than pistols and small guns, there has been a spike in demand for military-grade assault weapons. This reflects a very different kind of criminality: petty criminals and drug dealers tend to want small pistols that they can conceal; terrorists want AK-47s that can do maximum damage.

Yes the country with weak gun laws seems to have the most gun homicide. Shocking to nobody intelligent.

Asshat......Britain has increasing gun crime, dittos Australia and France, their criminals are not murdering people.....

We have a much higher homicide rate than your examples.

 

[2aguy]

2017 NYC homicide rate is the lowest they've ever had. Is abnormal, due to massive intelligence input push, and massive gang roundups. If Florida had done that, their rate would be lower than NYC.

PS - Chicago has higher homicide rate than NY and LA combined, and Chicago has strict gun control.

PPS - New York's low crime rate didn't help my friend. A gun in his pocket would have.

So you choose to ignore the facts, typical gun nut.

Fact is Florida has lots of guns and a higher homicide rate.

You are a lying piece of crap...

Gun ownership and concealed carry has gone up, not down, and the gun murder rate in Florida has gone down...

Gauging gun violence in Miami-Dade complicated by jumble of records

One trend is clear: Gun violence is nowhere near what it used to be decades ago. In the early 1980s, Miami-Dade County regularly recorded over 500 homicides a year — with 1981 logging a staggering 621 murders. In 2016, there were just 231 homicides in Miami-Dade, a far cry from Chicago, which has a similar population but recorded 762 murders.

Gun ownership and carry goes up and so does rape and murder!
Florida's crime rate drops despite sharp increase in murders, rapes

TALLAHASSEE — There was a significant increase in murders, rapes and motor vehicle thefts in Florida last year, according to crime statistics released by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Friday.

There were 1,040 murders in Florida last year, up from 984 the year before. That includes 767 murders involving guns, an increase of 11.2 percent. That's the most murders in Florida since 2008, when FDLE reported 1,168.

There were also 7,537 reported rapes in Florida, an increase of 6.1 percent over 2014. Aggravated assaults increased by 3.9 percent, from 58,271 to 60,539, and motor vehicle thefts jumped by 12.4 percent from 36,111 to 40,478.

Yes....moron...women are one of the groups with the lowest level of concealed gun carry.........you dope.....and as research shows, carrying a gun is the best way to stop a rape...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

More concealed carry and more rape and murder.

More concealed carry and more rape and murde


And that is a lie...

You are wrong again asshat.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew.

The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993.

Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.