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Gun Debate Illustrates Two Different AmericasBack when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.
On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.
Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.
Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.
Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.
They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.
How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.
Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.
Yes the old dying hardcore more guns are good crowd and then the new generation of of Americans with common sense, guess which ones be around and the majority in 15 - 20 years
Still living in the 1950's isn't healthy, things aren't black and whiteGun Debate Illustrates Two Different AmericasBack when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.
On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.
Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.
Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.
Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.
They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.
How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.
Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.
Yes the old dying hardcore more guns are good crowd and then the new generation of of Americans with common sense, guess which ones be around and the majority in 15 - 20 years
You think the students of these schools will still be swallowing your bullshit in 15-20 years, when they will be paying for all the mistakes the mistakes they have made because bad leftists advice, and for all the leftist schemes?
You must be shitting me, these guys will be armed to the teeth, protecting themselves against leftist looting like you wouldn't even believe. If you want more loot, better move elsewhere.
LolThe politicians aren't "bought" by the NRA. The politicians recognize that the NRA consists of millions of actual voters and that there are many more millions of gun owning voters that aren't in the NRA. While not a member of the NRA, I agree with their stance, as do millions of other non-NRA gun owners.There never were two cultures until the NRA bought the GOP and all these psycho guns came on the market.WHAT NRA dupe insanity ? Try telling us what you're talking about. If you know.And any GOP representative who crosses
The NRA gets primaried out of power. By the NRA and its Goons. No one is against hunting rifles and shotguns. And handguns for a very few. And that was always enough until this NRA Dupe insanity.
And you're also off topic. The topic is about the dichotomy between the gun culture and the anti-gun culture, Not necessary to bring th NRA into this one bit.
The NRA does not represent gun owners. The NRA represents the gun industry. Those millions of dues paying members are fools. And I would be willing to bet that NRA loses more members per year than it gains new ones as more and more of those fools open their eyes.
Like raising the age to purchase any firearm to 21. The majority of the American public supports that position. Many NRA members also support raising the age to 21. But not the NRA because gun manufacturers and gun dealers don't want to lose the few under 21 year old customers that they have.
What about closing the gun show loophole? Again, I believe the majority of the American public supports closing that loophole and mandating permits for all gun purchases, both public and private. I don't doubt countless NRA members support it as well. But not the NRA. And the reason why is absolutely sinister.
Look. I have known some gun runners. Hell, North Carolina is a big supplier of guns on the Iron Pipeline. It ain't that damn hard. You go to a gun show. You purchase a half dozen guns or so, sometimes in the parking lot. Then you take a drive up I-95, or better, head to Chicago.
Now, all the NRA talk defending that loophole; about making gun transactions bothersome, or restricting personal freedoms, or even passing down guns to heirs becoming problematic, is nothing but a big smoke screen. What they are really defending, what they are really worried about, is the continued ability to circumvent gun laws and, just like the age requirement, reach those customers that are members of MS-13, or convicted felons, are just some person convicted of domestic violence that is prevented from legally owning a gun. They don't represent their members, they don't represent the people, they don't even give a fat rat's ass about the second amendment except to the extent that it enables the GUN INDUSTRY to peddle their wares to, not just "law-abiding citizens", but anyone and everyone else that can push a few dollars across the counter. Their immigration, legal, or mental status be damned.
Progressive ideas and thoughts on the subject or not acceptableBack when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.
On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.
Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.
Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.
Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.
They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.
How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.
Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.
“Gun nuts” are unwavering extremists . They assume every gun owner thinks like them . They don’t .
They assume any gun control = banning all guns . Which is rediculous .
The gun nut is a misonfirmist when it comes to gun debates . And spare me with the “you are ignorant of guns “ gun nerd move . You try to bully people with gun minutia to avoid the facts about assault weapons .
You think the students of these schools will still be swallowing your bullshit in 15-20 years, when they will be paying for all the mistakes the mistakes they have made because bad leftists advice, and for all the leftist schemes?
Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.
On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.
Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.
Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.
Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.
They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.
How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.
Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.
“Gun nuts” are unwavering extremists . They assume every gun owner thinks like them . They don’t .
They assume any gun control = banning all guns . Which is rediculous .
The gun nut is a misonfirmist when it comes to gun debates . And spare me with the “you are ignorant of guns “ gun nerd move . You try to bully people with gun minutia to avoid the facts about assault weapons .
You want to discuss facts about assault weapons? Go ahead, you first. I'll be glad to talk about assault weapons with you any time.
It's a great hunting rifle for deer.Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.
On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.
Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.
Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.
Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.
They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.
How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.
Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.
“Gun nuts” are unwavering extremists . They assume every gun owner thinks like them . They don’t .
They assume any gun control = banning all guns . Which is rediculous .
The gun nut is a misonfirmist when it comes to gun debates . And spare me with the “you are ignorant of guns “ gun nerd move . You try to bully people with gun minutia to avoid the facts about assault weapons .
You want to discuss facts about assault weapons? Go ahead, you first. I'll be glad to talk about assault weapons with you any time.
Ok fine . The AR 15 Cruz used . That’s designed as a military weapon , right ? It’s designed to kill lots of people in a short amount of time .
Progressive ideas and thoughts on the subject or not acceptableBack when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.
On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.
Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.
Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.
Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.
They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.
How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.
Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.
“Gun nuts” are unwavering extremists . They assume every gun owner thinks like them . They don’t .
They assume any gun control = banning all guns . Which is rediculous .
The gun nut is a misonfirmist when it comes to gun debates . And spare me with the “you are ignorant of guns “ gun nerd move . You try to bully people with gun minutia to avoid the facts about assault weapons .
Even if all this were true it doesn't explain why the anti-gun culture opposes guns in schools in the hands of well vetted, well trained, GOOD guys.The supposed "anti-gun culture" has arisen from the downturn in overall American cultural values and civility. I was raised with guns, which my father kept locked up, and shot them (at targets). BUT, this was at a time when no one threatened each other, one didn't see pictures of so-called Americans loitering around on American street corners dressed in camouflage costumes brandishing military weaponry, no one was pushing the absurd idea that the point of having guns was to "protect" oneself from our own government rather than foreign invasion, as was the case when the 2nd Amendment was written, before the invention of automatic weaponry and before the creation of the National Guard, no one sent threatening messages to their fellow Americans with whom they disagree, such as:
"I am buying up my ammo right now you filthy, ugly, disgusting, fat, stupid, cruel, anti-Christian piece of liberal scum," she read aloud. "I am getting ready for the war so I hope you have a good hiding place, you sick, disgusting, miserable, piece of degenerate lesbian scum."we weren't continually experiencing mass shootings, and race gangs weren't running around in the woods playing soldier. The only problem that might implicate guns in some sections of the country during this time was racial hostility.
My father was a gentleman with a quiet demeanor, a strong sense of ethics, a respect for humanity, and impeccable manners. He would never, ever have indulged in the sort of behavior I've described.
The population of untrustworthy and unethical low-lifes in this country has seemed to increase exponentially in the last few decades, while the weaponry they have access to has increased exponentially in power. This uncivilized and sometimes mentally-ill behavior is the source of "anti-gun culture."
What you call a smokescreen is in your post, but not in the NRA's website. Is this strawman talk ? Yes, the NRA does oppose background checks at gun shows. Do you know why ?The NRA does not represent gun owners. The NRA represents the gun industry. Those millions of dues paying members are fools. And I would be willing to bet that NRA loses more members per year than it gains new ones as more and more of those fools open their eyes.
Like raising the age to purchase any firearm to 21. The majority of the American public supports that position. Many NRA members also support raising the age to 21. But not the NRA because gun manufacturers and gun dealers don't want to lose the few under 21 year old customers that they have.
What about closing the gun show loophole? Again, I believe the majority of the American public supports closing that loophole and mandating permits for all gun purchases, both public and private. I don't doubt countless NRA members support it as well. But not the NRA. And the reason why is absolutely sinister.
Look. I have known some gun runners. Hell, North Carolina is a big supplier of guns on the Iron Pipeline. It ain't that damn hard. You go to a gun show. You purchase a half dozen guns or so, sometimes in the parking lot. Then you take a drive up I-95, or better, head to Chicago.
Now, all the NRA talk defending that loophole; about making gun transactions bothersome, or restricting personal freedoms, or even passing down guns to heirs becoming problematic, is nothing but a big smoke screen. What they are really defending, what they are really worried about, is the continued ability to circumvent gun laws and, just like the age requirement, reach those customers that are members of MS-13, or convicted felons, are just some person convicted of domestic violence that is prevented from legally owning a gun. They don't represent their members, they don't represent the people, they don't even give a fat rat's ass about the second amendment except to the extent that it enables the GUN INDUSTRY to peddle their wares to, not just "law-abiding citizens", but anyone and everyone else that can push a few dollars across the counter. Their immigration, legal, or mental status be damned.
Insufficient information.Refusing to accept that firearms, as well as American society and culture, have evolved since the eighteenth century leads to the impossibility of intelligent debate.
I'll accept that.Actually, there are three separate cultures. The two you cited and the third being comprised of those of us who couldn't care either way.
It's a great hunting rifle for deer.Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.
On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.
Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.
Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.
Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.
They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.
How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.
Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.
“Gun nuts” are unwavering extremists . They assume every gun owner thinks like them . They don’t .
They assume any gun control = banning all guns . Which is rediculous .
The gun nut is a misonfirmist when it comes to gun debates . And spare me with the “you are ignorant of guns “ gun nerd move . You try to bully people with gun minutia to avoid the facts about assault weapons .
You want to discuss facts about assault weapons? Go ahead, you first. I'll be glad to talk about assault weapons with you any time.
Ok fine . The AR 15 Cruz used . That’s designed as a military weapon , right ? It’s designed to kill lots of people in a short amount of time .
Sometimes I get the feeling that many liberals think that every conservative is a gun shop proprietor, or owns stock in gun manufacturing. What's with all this talk about gun sellers ? You'd think we all had one in our immediate family.Yeah- you on the right's tinfoil brigade.
I know- that there are some of you that actually believe that tripe- and there are some of you who just put out that lie to whip up the fear in gun owners and gin up business for gun sellers.
But its just the usual BS that prevents any real discussion about gun violence.
No.It's a great hunting rifle for deer.Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.
On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.
Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.
Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.
Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.
They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.
How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.
Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.
“Gun nuts” are unwavering extremists . They assume every gun owner thinks like them . They don’t .
They assume any gun control = banning all guns . Which is rediculous .
The gun nut is a misonfirmist when it comes to gun debates . And spare me with the “you are ignorant of guns “ gun nerd move . You try to bully people with gun minutia to avoid the facts about assault weapons .
You want to discuss facts about assault weapons? Go ahead, you first. I'll be glad to talk about assault weapons with you any time.
Ok fine . The AR 15 Cruz used . That’s designed as a military weapon , right ? It’s designed to kill lots of people in a short amount of time .
Is it really ? Doesn’t it ruin the meat with its brutal exit wound ?
Since you claim to be absent of ignorance on guns, suppose you tell us right now what an assault weapon actually is. Go ahead. No dodges.“Gun nuts” are unwavering extremists . They assume every gun owner thinks like them . They don’t .
They assume any gun control = banning all guns . Which is rediculous .
The gun nut is a misonfirmist when it comes to gun debates . And spare me with the “you are ignorant of guns “ gun nerd move . You try to bully people with gun minutia to avoid the facts about assault weapons .
Since you claim to be absent of ignorance on guns, suppose you tell us right now what an assault weapons actually is. Go ahead. No dodges.“Gun nuts” are unwavering extremists . They assume every gun owner thinks like them . They don’t .
They assume any gun control = banning all guns . Which is rediculous .
The gun nut is a misonfirmist when it comes to gun debates . And spare me with the “you are ignorant of guns “ gun nerd move . You try to bully people with gun minutia to avoid the facts about assault weapons .
Got any source links to back this rather bold statement up, or are we just supposed to take it on faith ?Gun Debate Illustrates Two Different Americas
Yes the old dying hardcore more guns are good crowd and then the new generation of of Americans with common sense, guess which ones be around and the majority in 15 - 20 years
