Gun free Britain? Murders going to hit 10 year high...

[Vagabond63]

Oh great, another thing pulled right out of the hat. Don't you think doing a little research before making ridiculous claims would be a good idea?

Teenage pregnancy by state in the US. Funny how it's the right wing states that have the most teenage pregnancy, isn't it?

Surely it'd be the other way around, wouldn't right wing states give teenage mothers LESS MONEY?

Moron....out of wedlock birth rates are highest in the Black community, the community with the highest incarceration rates and the highest gun murder rates....are you really this dense? The Border states....Hispanic out of wedlock birth rates.....

77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants

77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants

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The National Center for Health Statistics said that in 2015, 77.3 percent of non-immigrant black births were illegitimate. The national non-immigrant average is 42 percent, and it was 30 percent for whites.

The new numbers were in a Center for Immigration Studies analysis on the births to immigrants. That total is 32.7 percent, but to Hispanic immigrants it is 48.9 percent, according to Steven Camarota, the director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies.
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There is good evidence that children born to unmarried parents are at higher risk of dropping out of high school, having run-ins with the law, and other negative social outcomes. This maybe especially true for children born to immigrants because of the challenges associated with adjusting to life in their parents' adopted country.

There are signifcant numbers of single families in France . Germany and the UK. And yet our gun crime is a fraction of the US. What is the difference ? We have gun laws which restrict access to killing machines. Its not complicated mate.

Moron...... those countries are becoming more and more violent.....I have pointed out that they are behind because of the destruction of the 2 world wars....it took the social welfare state to destroy the families in those countries...and as I showed Frigidweirdo, single teenage girls raising young males drives the crime rate, not guns.

You havent proved anything. Europe and the US have similar levels of single parents, maybe a bit lower, but the US death rate is 4 times higher than any country in western europe. There is no link.

Hmmmm. What could be the difference ?

BTW its not unmarried parents driving the crime rate it is primarily poverty. But lets leave that complicated issue for adults to discuss.

We had tremendous poverty in the Great Depression, intact families and very little crime. Single teenage girls raising young males drives crime....

 

[Vagabond63]

Don't I? How the fuck would you know?

The point I was making, and somehow it managed to slip massively past you, was that you said that the death of so many males caused families to break up, which then led to social problems, and therefore by the time the 2000s came along, and all this violence, the widowers of those who died in WW1 were probably dead, and widowers of WW2 were probably in their 80s or 90s.

So how the FUCK does that impact the 2000s?

Can you please explain how a person dying in WW1 impacted the crime rate going up in the 2000s?

No...moron, that isn't what I said... I said the destruction and death of the Two World Wars, and now that I think of it, the Depression, slowed down their society advancing the way the U.S. did.... So, moron, you have the death and destruction of World War 1, and it's aftermath, the Depression, and then World War 2.....major, catastrophic events....... and they slowed down those societies in Europe...... now you have the social welfare states wrecking the family structures in those countries, allowing young teenage girls to have children without husbands, and fathers for those children, so the young males have no one to raise them into young men.... And you are now seeing the effects of that in the increasing violence in those societies, especially Britain.....

If your reasoning about Britain being battered in two world wars (and now you throw in the Depression) causing crime rates to rise is true, then why has the US been so far ahead of them in this regard for so long?
Especially when, in your reasoning, they have been insulated from all this mayhem and living in a land of milk and honey.
Are you saying that Americans are just naturally bigger arseholes than the Brits?

Why do you hate Americans?

Our society didn't get hit with the destruction, we had a booming post War economy with stable families...it wasn't until the 1960s where we had the Great Society destroy those families...especially minority families in our democrat party controlled cities.... That is when single teenage girls could have children without fathers in the home.....and from the 1960s going forward you had the huge crime problem here.......Britain is just now starting that violence problem....

So....I think I might understand now.
Correct me if I've got it wrong.

In the UK, women who grew up during the World Wars and Depression are just starting to have children.
The children don't have fathers because all the men were killed in the War.
Also, they didn't have children before now because the place was a wreck...as well as all the men being dead.
The children are now out on a murderous rampage throughout the country.

It all makes perfect sense now.

No....moron. The British culture was still intact right after the war so they still had family structures in place..... then they started their social welfare state which allowed young girls to have children without husbands and fathers...

 

[Vagabond63]

In the UK it is ILLEGAL to use a firearm for self defense purposes, and their are extremely restrictive rules for ownership, what can, and can not be legally owned, and where they can be kept.

Erm, no it's not illegal to use a firearm for self defence in the UK. If someone comes at you firing a gun, you have every right to fire back if you have a gun to hand. It's all part of our common law of self defence. The problem comes with the legal principle of proportionate response to a given situation. If you disturb a burglar who turns and runs, you can't shoot him in the back, for example. A more detailed examination can be found here: Self-Defence and the Prevention of Crime | The Crown Prosecution Service

 

[2aguy]

You want to show that criminals are getting more guns now. Then prove it. Until then I call bullshit on your fake crap.

Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Guns arent banned in the UK. But gun ownership is limited. Thats why our death rates are a fraction of yours. You have lost this argument so many times its laughable.

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Countries Compared by Crime > Total crimes per 1000. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Crimes per 1000

UK 110
US 41

Who has more crime per capita?

They only want to talk gun murder because they know Britain never had a high gun murder rate......that way they don't have to explain why the actual gun crime rate is going up, on an island that banned and confiscated guns. Meanwhile, they have to ignore that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime went down 75%, our violent crime went down 72%....they can't explain that with their theories, so they keep saying...but gun murder...gun murder.....

 

[2aguy]

…guess what the first thing those 7 million men wanted to do when they got home to their wives and girlfriends? I'll tell you, start families!

You have no idea what the War, followed by the Depression did to those countries.....followed by World War 2.....

Oh, so I have no idea? Really?

The desire to return to “normal” was reflected not only in a postwar upsurge in marriages, births and the reconstitution of conventional family life…

Your own source agrees with me, thanks for highlighting it in bold blue font.

Oh by the way the UK military deaths total for WW2 = 383,700 (less than in WW1). Guess what the survivors wanted to do when they were demobilised? Baby boom anyone?

Yep.....in actual family units with fathers in the home.....and now the social welfare system has created generations of young, single, teenage mothers raising young males without fathers.....

 

[2aguy]

NYC had Guilliani....Chicago and St. Louis are letting violent criminals back on their streets....over and over again...

This is Chicago's problem...

A Detailed Look At Last Weekend's Chicago Gang Violence Shooting Victims - The Truth About Guns

Behind the scenes, Chicago Police put out a “Detailed Situational Report” (DSR) each weekday. On it, their “Data Warehouse” lists shooting incidents and murders along with guns recovered.
Inside, the report details the names and descriptions of each of the victims and suspects, including any gang affiliations and the location of each incident. Furthermore, it shows each person’s criminal history, a description of their injuries and their Strategic Subject List score. Lastly, it contains a narrative of what happened.
Because it’s Chicago — where support from “the community” typically hovers near zero — police seldom identify any suspects, much less make arrests. In fact, CPD has made arrests in only 13% of homicides so far in 2018.
A casual glance through the confidential DSR reveals that virtually every victim of Chicago violence last weekend had gang ties. Either as a member of a gang or those (often young females) who hang out with gang members. The other glaring common thread: the victims themselves usually have criminal histories, too.
In fact, poring over the fifteen pages of incidents (pasted end to end, that’s over 10 feet of incidents), only 21 of the 78 victims did not have a criminal history. Meanwhile, those with arrest records garnered a total of 813 arrests between them.
Eight hundred thirteen arrests.
At the same time, Cook County’s infamous “catch and release” criminal justice system only managed to gain convictions in 120 of those 813 arrests.
For example, one 23-year-old Black P. Stone gang member who was shot in the gut had 35 arrests and zero convictions. One perforated 66-year-old had 55 arrests!
Another 32-year-old Four Corner Hustlers member, Charles Green, had 62 arrests, but he won’t re-offend. Not after he suffered multiple gunshot wounds that proved fatal. Green’s colorful past included arrests for dope, more dope, armed robbery, and a murder for which Cook County prosecutor Kim Foxx released him without charges.
Tip for the day, besides avoiding Chicago: mommas, don’t let your girls hang out with gang members. Otherwise, they can find themselves caught in the crossfire, and they don’t always survive.
Three young adult women without any criminal history or gang affiliations suffered gunshot wounds in a single incident at 1338 S. Millard Ave. Two offenders began shooting into “a large street gathering” wounding a total of seven. Tragically, a 17-year-old girl named Jahnae Patterson died there from a wound to her face.
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Meanwhile, another victim at that same location, aged 14, remains in good condition. How terrible, you say? That same 14-year-old named Marion already has two arrests for car burglaries and a Strategic Subject List (SSL) score of 385. The SSL score serves to indicate potential future criminal behavior. As defined by the City of Chicago:

Another case caught my eye. The victim, Miguel, a 19-year-old Hispanic male, told police he saw some people who recognized him emerge from a convenience store. For some unknown reason (he says) they began chasing him in the 3900 block of S. Rockwell. In the alley behind the store, he heard gunshots and felt pain.

Before you start oozing sympathy for this poor teen, know that CPD says Miguel also moonlights as a Satan Disciples gang member and has built his SSL score to 500. With a SSL score that high, Darwin will probably catch up with him soon enough, assuming he survives this hospital visit.

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Baltimore...

2017 homicide data provide insight into Baltimore's gun wars, police say



About 86 percent of the victims and 85 percent of the 118 suspects identified by police had prior criminal records. And about 46 percent of victims and 44 percent of suspects had previously been arrested for gun crimes, the data show.
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The average homicide victim in Baltimore in 2017 had 11 previous arrests on his record. About 73 percent had drug arrests, and nearly 50 percent had been arrested for a violent crime. About 30 percent were on parole or probation at the time they were killed, and more than 6 percent were on parole or probation for a gun crime.

Twenty percent of the victims were known members of a gang or drug crew, according to the data.

The average homicide suspect, meanwhile, had 9 previous arrests on his record. About 70 percent had drug arrests, and nearly half had been arrested for a violent crime. Nearly 36 percent were on parole or probation, and 6 percent were on parole or probation for a gun crime, the data show.

Eighteen percent of the suspects were known members of a gang or drug crew, according to the data.

Police did not know the motive behind nearly half of the killings, but at least 20 were related to retaliation, according to the data.


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Chicago..


Actual report on shootings in chicago...http://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/attachments/store/2435a5d4658e2ca19f4f225b810ce0dbdb9231cbdb8d702e784087469ee3/UChicagoCrimeLab+Gun+Violence+in+Chicago+2016.pdf


1/19/17 Shooters in Chicago criminal record research from U of C






Nearly 40 percent of victims had more than 10 prior arrests, while the share with more than 20 prior arrests rose from 14 to 18 percent in 2016.

The share of victims with a current or prior gang affiliation as recorded by CPD was about the same in both years (53 and 54 percent).

And now the shooters . . .

Individuals arrested for a homicide or shooting in Chicago in 2016 and 2015 had similar prior criminal records: around 90 percent had at least one prior arrest, approximately 50 percent had a prior arrest for a violent crime specifically, and almost 40 percent had a prior gun arrest.



The average person arrested for a homicide or shooting in both years had nearly 12 prior arrests, with almost 45 percent having had more than 10 prior arrests, and almost 20 percent having had more than 20 prior arrests.

Why is anyone in Chicago (or elsewhere) talking about gun control? Clearly, Chicago’s revolving door justice system is a failure that allows dangerous killers to roam the city streets.
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12/27/16 Gang shootings in Chicago over christmas..90% gang affiliated


Gang Killers In Chicago Used Christmas Gatherings To Target Their Victims

Gang killers, knowing their targets would be home for Christmas, launched a bloody weekend of shootings in Chicago that left 11 dead and another 37 wounded.

"We now know that the majority of these shootings and homicides were targeted attacks by gangs against potential rivals who were at holiday gatherings. This was followed by several acts of retaliatory gun violence," police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement Monday.

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The violence primarily occurred in areas with historical gang conflicts on the South and West Side of Chicago."


And this is what we keep telling you anti gunners and you refuse to believe it....

"Ninety percent of those fatally wounded had gang affiliations, criminal histories and were pre-identified by the department's strategic subject algorithm as being a potential suspect or victim of gun violence," Guglielmi said.
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again, you make no sense
STL is rated in the top 10 most dangerous cities--sometimes 1
Chi, NYC and LA not even in top ten
you have no argument there
explain this to me

Yes....I showed you why, they let violent gun criminals out on bail and out of jail, over and over again so they won't be perceived as racists...dittos Chicago.....

Baltimore has the same extreme gun control as Chicago and New York, and a tiny population......and higher gun murder numbers than New York or L.A.....

New York had the police techniques of Rudy Guilliani and his police Comissioner that they are still using...Chicago is not.....Baltimore is not, D.C. is not...

Germany ,France, and England = lower murder rates with very strict gun control
NYCity 8.6 MILLION people

.....final--you need to attack the problem with MULTIPLE ways--and gun control MUST be one of those

Europe was always less violent than the U.S......and after Britain banned and confiscated guns they have more gun crime not less....and violence across Europe and Britain is growing, not going down.

You need to explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, and violent crime went down 72% as more Americans started to own and actually carry guns...and you can't....

And Chicago and Baltimore have extreme gun control and have more gun murder than New York..the difference? New York had Rudy Guilliani and his police commissioner, and they are continuing to use their tactics to combat crime while Baltimore and Chicago let violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again. I have shown you the revolving door policy for violent gun offenders in Chicago, it is also happening in Baltimore and St. Louis....

Criminal control is the issue, not gun control. Do you really think that law abiding gun owners are doing the gun murder in these cities? It is the repeat gun offenders who are allowed to go back into these democrat party controlled inner cities that rack up the body counts...not John and Jane Q. Citizen carrying guns for self defense.

Fewer Americans own guns now.
You must know this...you have so many statistics to hand.
It's just that gun owners own more guns each.

Yes...the theory that 2 guys in Idaho are the only guys buying guns now......

And the truth....from NBC no less...

And the fact is that more Americans aren't sharing their ownership of guns with anonymous pollsters...especially gun owners who know that after Sandy Hook left wing, democrat jouranlists tried to post the names of gun owners in their papers...allowing criminals to have shopping lists for theft and murder of gun owners.......

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

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NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."


Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun permit holders - CNN


An interactive map showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit holders in New York's Westchester and Rockland counties has infuriated many readers since it was posted Saturday on a newspaper's website.
The map, published by The Journal News, allows readers to zoom in on red dots that indicate which residents are licensed to own pistols or revolvers. It had prompted more than 1,700 comments as of Wednesday morning.
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Still, hundreds of residents were shocked to see their information posted without their being notified. Some said the map would prompt burglaries because thieves are now aware of where weapons might be found.
"Now everyone knows where the legal guns are kept, a valuable piece of information for criminals," a commenter wrote. "Why don't you do something helpful, like trying to find out where the illegal guns are kept?"

 

[2aguy]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London with a population of 9 million has had 121 murders.

Chicago with a population of 3 million has had 486 homicides...

Looks like Gun Control works just fine to me.

Yes...again....their criminals did not commit murder with their guns before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, on the island, where guns are banned and confiscated, gun crime is going up, but the criminals are still not murdering their victims....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Crimes per 1000

UK 110
US 41

Who has more crime per capita?

"Crimes" is a very nebulous definition. Our police are so busy with murders they don't have time to break up bar fights.

The UK has twice as many rape and assault victims as the US.

No, it doesn't.

The US has a very strict definition of things like this. Whereas the UK has a much lower threshold.

The UK has a HIGHER rape and assault statistics rate. But not necessarily more victims.

Wow another imbecile who doesn't understand ratios

You do realize that a large country with a large population can have a lower CRIME RATE and still have more victims than a small country with a small population with a high crime rate don't you

You are TWICE AS LIKELY to be raped or assaulted in the UK than the US

I think he understands it pefectly well. It comes down to what you clasify as rape or assault. There is no universal definition so comparisons are meaningless. It would be great if every country classified the same offences in a similar way but that isnt going to happen any time soon.

 

[Vagabond63]

...and yet, from your own source, "...the latest ONS figures showing crimes traditionally measured by the (British Crime) Survey have fallen by a third since 2010 to a record low, with over 370,000 fewer violent crimes a year."

Which is correct?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London with a population of 9 million has had 121 murders.

Chicago with a population of 3 million has had 486 homicides...

Looks like Gun Control works just fine to me.

Yes...again....their criminals did not commit murder with their guns before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, on the island, where guns are banned and confiscated, gun crime is going up, but the criminals are still not murdering their victims....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

And yet I am four times more likely to be shot in the US than in the UK. We generally dont own guns and our police,in the main, are not armed Why is it that we are so much safer ?

 

[2aguy]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London with a population of 9 million has had 121 murders.

Chicago with a population of 3 million has had 486 homicides...

Looks like Gun Control works just fine to me.

Yes...again....their criminals did not commit murder with their guns before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, on the island, where guns are banned and confiscated, gun crime is going up, but the criminals are still not murdering their victims....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

And yet I am four times more likely to be shot in the US than in the UK. We generally dont own guns and our police,in the main, are not armed Why is it that we are so much safer ?

No.... you are likely to be shot in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities..otherwise you are not likely to be shot, and in fact, because you as a law abiding citizen can carry a gun, you are less likely to be raped, robbed or murdered if you have that gun with you.

You are not safer, your violent crime rate is higher than ours.

 

[Vagabond63]

.....and now the social welfare system has created generations of young, single, teenage mothers raising young males without fathers.....

Prove it.

 

[Vagabond63]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London with a population of 9 million has had 121 murders.

Chicago with a population of 3 million has had 486 homicides...

Looks like Gun Control works just fine to me.

Yes...again....their criminals did not commit murder with their guns before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, on the island, where guns are banned and confiscated, gun crime is going up, but the criminals are still not murdering their victims....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

And yet I am four times more likely to be shot in the US than in the UK. We generally dont own guns and our police,in the main, are not armed Why is it that we are so much safer ?

No.... you are likely to be shot in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities..otherwise you are not likely to be shot...

Really? is that why you keep referencing small areas of our cities?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London with a population of 9 million has had 121 murders.

Chicago with a population of 3 million has had 486 homicides...

Looks like Gun Control works just fine to me.

Yes...again....their criminals did not commit murder with their guns before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, on the island, where guns are banned and confiscated, gun crime is going up, but the criminals are still not murdering their victims....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

And yet I am four times more likely to be shot in the US than in the UK. We generally dont own guns and our police,in the main, are not armed Why is it that we are so much safer ?

No.... you are likely to be shot in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities..otherwise you are not likely to be shot...

Really? is that why you keep referencing small areas of our cities?

 

[idb]

again, you make no sense
STL is rated in the top 10 most dangerous cities--sometimes 1
Chi, NYC and LA not even in top ten
you have no argument there
explain this to me

Yes....I showed you why, they let violent gun criminals out on bail and out of jail, over and over again so they won't be perceived as racists...dittos Chicago.....

Baltimore has the same extreme gun control as Chicago and New York, and a tiny population......and higher gun murder numbers than New York or L.A.....

New York had the police techniques of Rudy Guilliani and his police Comissioner that they are still using...Chicago is not.....Baltimore is not, D.C. is not...

Germany ,France, and England = lower murder rates with very strict gun control
NYCity 8.6 MILLION people

.....final--you need to attack the problem with MULTIPLE ways--and gun control MUST be one of those

Europe was always less violent than the U.S......and after Britain banned and confiscated guns they have more gun crime not less....and violence across Europe and Britain is growing, not going down.

You need to explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, and violent crime went down 72% as more Americans started to own and actually carry guns...and you can't....

And Chicago and Baltimore have extreme gun control and have more gun murder than New York..the difference? New York had Rudy Guilliani and his police commissioner, and they are continuing to use their tactics to combat crime while Baltimore and Chicago let violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again. I have shown you the revolving door policy for violent gun offenders in Chicago, it is also happening in Baltimore and St. Louis....

Criminal control is the issue, not gun control. Do you really think that law abiding gun owners are doing the gun murder in these cities? It is the repeat gun offenders who are allowed to go back into these democrat party controlled inner cities that rack up the body counts...not John and Jane Q. Citizen carrying guns for self defense.

Fewer Americans own guns now.
You must know this...you have so many statistics to hand.
It's just that gun owners own more guns each.

Yes...the theory that 2 guys in Idaho are the only guys buying guns now......

And the truth....from NBC no less...

And the fact is that more Americans aren't sharing their ownership of guns with anonymous pollsters...especially gun owners who know that after Sandy Hook left wing, democrat jouranlists tried to post the names of gun owners in their papers...allowing criminals to have shopping lists for theft and murder of gun owners.......

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

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NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."


Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun permit holders - CNN


An interactive map showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit holders in New York's Westchester and Rockland counties has infuriated many readers since it was posted Saturday on a newspaper's website.
The map, published by The Journal News, allows readers to zoom in on red dots that indicate which residents are licensed to own pistols or revolvers. It had prompted more than 1,700 comments as of Wednesday morning.
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Still, hundreds of residents were shocked to see their information posted without their being notified. Some said the map would prompt burglaries because thieves are now aware of where weapons might be found.
"Now everyone knows where the legal guns are kept, a valuable piece of information for criminals," a commenter wrote. "Why don't you do something helpful, like trying to find out where the illegal guns are kept?"

Ah...so that means that you're just guessing about the number of people that own guns.

 

[2aguy]

.....and now the social welfare system has created generations of young, single, teenage mothers raising young males without fathers.....

Prove it.

Here...

Births in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics


The long-term rise in the percentage of births outside marriage or civil partnership has continued, with 47.7% of all babies born outside marriage or civil partnership in 2015; this compares with 47.5% in 2014. Many of these babies have parents who live together - over the last decade over 60% of all births registered outside marriage or civil partnership each year have been to a cohabiting couple. This is consistent with increases in the number of couples cohabiting rather than entering into marriage or civil partnership (Families and Households provides further information).

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Number of children in poverty surges by 100,000 in one year

The number of children in poverty across the UK has surged by 100,000 in a year, new figures show, prompting calls for ministers to urgently review cuts to child welfare.

Government statistics published on Thursday show 4.1 million children are now living in relative poverty after household costs, compared with four million the previous year, accounting for more than 30 per cent of children in the country.


Compared to the overall population, children remained the most likely to be in relative poverty, at almost one in three compared with 21 per cent of working age adults and 16 per cent of pensioners.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....I showed you why, they let violent gun criminals out on bail and out of jail, over and over again so they won't be perceived as racists...dittos Chicago.....

Baltimore has the same extreme gun control as Chicago and New York, and a tiny population......and higher gun murder numbers than New York or L.A.....

New York had the police techniques of Rudy Guilliani and his police Comissioner that they are still using...Chicago is not.....Baltimore is not, D.C. is not...

Germany ,France, and England = lower murder rates with very strict gun control
NYCity 8.6 MILLION people

.....final--you need to attack the problem with MULTIPLE ways--and gun control MUST be one of those

Europe was always less violent than the U.S......and after Britain banned and confiscated guns they have more gun crime not less....and violence across Europe and Britain is growing, not going down.

You need to explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, and violent crime went down 72% as more Americans started to own and actually carry guns...and you can't....

And Chicago and Baltimore have extreme gun control and have more gun murder than New York..the difference? New York had Rudy Guilliani and his police commissioner, and they are continuing to use their tactics to combat crime while Baltimore and Chicago let violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again. I have shown you the revolving door policy for violent gun offenders in Chicago, it is also happening in Baltimore and St. Louis....

Criminal control is the issue, not gun control. Do you really think that law abiding gun owners are doing the gun murder in these cities? It is the repeat gun offenders who are allowed to go back into these democrat party controlled inner cities that rack up the body counts...not John and Jane Q. Citizen carrying guns for self defense.

Fewer Americans own guns now.
You must know this...you have so many statistics to hand.
It's just that gun owners own more guns each.

Yes...the theory that 2 guys in Idaho are the only guys buying guns now......

And the truth....from NBC no less...

And the fact is that more Americans aren't sharing their ownership of guns with anonymous pollsters...especially gun owners who know that after Sandy Hook left wing, democrat jouranlists tried to post the names of gun owners in their papers...allowing criminals to have shopping lists for theft and murder of gun owners.......

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."


Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun permit holders - CNN


An interactive map showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit holders in New York's Westchester and Rockland counties has infuriated many readers since it was posted Saturday on a newspaper's website.
The map, published by The Journal News, allows readers to zoom in on red dots that indicate which residents are licensed to own pistols or revolvers. It had prompted more than 1,700 comments as of Wednesday morning.
-------

Still, hundreds of residents were shocked to see their information posted without their being notified. Some said the map would prompt burglaries because thieves are now aware of where weapons might be found.
"Now everyone knows where the legal guns are kept, a valuable piece of information for criminals," a commenter wrote. "Why don't you do something helpful, like trying to find out where the illegal guns are kept?"

Ah...so that means that you're just guessing about the number of people that own guns.

I am using the same thing you do, research from left wing news sites..... and it says 47%..... and gun owners are now more likely to keep their gun owning a secret from pollsters...which means that number is likely low, as the biggest growth areas in gun ownership are women and minorities, two groups that in the past have been low in ownership rates.....but that is changing.

 

[idb]

Germany ,France, and England = lower murder rates with very strict gun control
NYCity 8.6 MILLION people

.....final--you need to attack the problem with MULTIPLE ways--and gun control MUST be one of those

Europe was always less violent than the U.S......and after Britain banned and confiscated guns they have more gun crime not less....and violence across Europe and Britain is growing, not going down.

You need to explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, and violent crime went down 72% as more Americans started to own and actually carry guns...and you can't....

And Chicago and Baltimore have extreme gun control and have more gun murder than New York..the difference? New York had Rudy Guilliani and his police commissioner, and they are continuing to use their tactics to combat crime while Baltimore and Chicago let violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again. I have shown you the revolving door policy for violent gun offenders in Chicago, it is also happening in Baltimore and St. Louis....

Criminal control is the issue, not gun control. Do you really think that law abiding gun owners are doing the gun murder in these cities? It is the repeat gun offenders who are allowed to go back into these democrat party controlled inner cities that rack up the body counts...not John and Jane Q. Citizen carrying guns for self defense.

Fewer Americans own guns now.
You must know this...you have so many statistics to hand.
It's just that gun owners own more guns each.

Yes...the theory that 2 guys in Idaho are the only guys buying guns now......

And the truth....from NBC no less...

And the fact is that more Americans aren't sharing their ownership of guns with anonymous pollsters...especially gun owners who know that after Sandy Hook left wing, democrat jouranlists tried to post the names of gun owners in their papers...allowing criminals to have shopping lists for theft and murder of gun owners.......

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."


Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun permit holders - CNN


An interactive map showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit holders in New York's Westchester and Rockland counties has infuriated many readers since it was posted Saturday on a newspaper's website.
The map, published by The Journal News, allows readers to zoom in on red dots that indicate which residents are licensed to own pistols or revolvers. It had prompted more than 1,700 comments as of Wednesday morning.
-------

Still, hundreds of residents were shocked to see their information posted without their being notified. Some said the map would prompt burglaries because thieves are now aware of where weapons might be found.
"Now everyone knows where the legal guns are kept, a valuable piece of information for criminals," a commenter wrote. "Why don't you do something helpful, like trying to find out where the illegal guns are kept?"

Ah...so that means that you're just guessing about the number of people that own guns.

I am using the same thing you do, research from left wing news sites..... and it says 47%..... and gun owners are now more likely to keep their gun owning a secret from pollsters...which means that number is likely low, as the biggest growth areas in gun ownership are women and minorities, two groups that in the past have been low in ownership rates.....but that is changing.

So you're guessing.

 

[JoeB131]

The UK has twice as many rape and assault victims per 1000 as the US.

No, they just count them differently.

Pretty much any unwatned groping is considered rape in the UK. You have to get home plate in the US to count as rape.

 

[JoeB131]

ever notice whenever there's a horrific act of gun violence like the shooting at the Hospital yesterday, TwoTinyGuy shows up to tell us that the UK is a bad place?