Gunman at DC Navy Yard shoots at least 7

[tinydancer]

Who in hell gave this Washington shooter security clearance? I really want to know.

It's as crazy as the situation with Major Hassan where everyone and their mother knew Hassan was a crazed radical for years and he kept getting promoted for crying out loud.

Then turned around and proved that he was that crazy little radical guy that the powers that be ignored and he killed and wounded so many.

What's wrong with the system?

Depends when he got his security clearance. It is good for ten years. Unless someone reports him, it will stay in effect

Ten years is a long time. Are there any intermittent reviews?

 

[Brain357]

I think keeping the guns out of the hands of crazies is most important. I hope some bill can be crafted and passed that would do that. Clearly many of these shooters seek mental help, then buy guns and do something crazy. I don't think everyone would agree to the type of background checks needed however. I would say all gun purchases need to have a background check. Including if I were to buy a gun from you. And people deemed a bit crazy should be put on a no gun list. Now even if we passed this I guess I'd be worried that fewer people would seek help knowing they couldn't get a gun? I sort of hope they seek help when they are still fairly sane, so not being able to buy a gun would be second to actually getting help. But who knows?

NRA will not stand for it

Keep right on lying it fits you so well. What we won't stand for is the Government violating the Constitution. You don't like it change it. But you won't try cause you know a majority would have a shit fit if you admitted what you really want.

Would you be agreeable to it?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Who in hell gave this Washington shooter security clearance? I really want to know.

It's as crazy as the situation with Major Hassan where everyone and their mother knew Hassan was a crazed radical for years and he kept getting promoted for crying out loud.

Then turned around and proved that he was that crazy little radical guy that the powers that be ignored and he killed and wounded so many.

What's wrong with the system?

Depends when he got his security clearance. It is good for ten years. Unless someone reports him, it will stay in effect

Ten years is a long time. Are there any intermittent reviews?

His discharge from the service should have resulted in a review. Wanna bet it did not happen? If the police had properly reported his legal problems instead of sweeping them under the rug that too would have caused a review.

I know I had my clearance pulled when medically discharged from the service.

 

[rightwinger]

I think keeping the guns out of the hands of crazies is most important. I hope some bill can be crafted and passed that would do that. Clearly many of these shooters seek mental help, then buy guns and do something crazy. I don't think everyone would agree to the type of background checks needed however. I would say all gun purchases need to have a background check. Including if I were to buy a gun from you. And people deemed a bit crazy should be put on a no gun list. Now even if we passed this I guess I'd be worried that fewer people would seek help knowing they couldn't get a gun? I sort of hope they seek help when they are still fairly sane, so not being able to buy a gun would be second to actually getting help. But who knows?

NRA will not stand for it

Keep right on lying it fits you so well. What we won't stand for is the Government violating the Constitution. You don't like it change it. But you won't try cause you know a majority would have a shit fit if you admitted what you really want.

Calm down

You won

Nobody can do a fucking thing about murders and massacres in this country. We will not stand for gun owners to be inconvenienced. If they want an AR-15 with a hundred round magazine, it is their right. Same goes for the fucking crazy who wants to shoot up a school
We have our sacred second amendment and are willing to put up with an occasional massacre.......it is a small price to pay for our second amendment

 

[RetiredGySgt]

NRA will not stand for it

Keep right on lying it fits you so well. What we won't stand for is the Government violating the Constitution. You don't like it change it. But you won't try cause you know a majority would have a shit fit if you admitted what you really want.

Would you be agreeable to it?

I would vote against it. The point is if you want to change the rights protected by the 2nd you must amend the Constitution no law will do. And no one is suggesting that because they know it would fail miserably. Meanwhile we have the usual idiots making ignorant comments about how NO ONE is trying to take anyone's weapons.

 

[tinydancer]

Everything I have been reading states that under no circumstances whatsoever would the gun control measure put forward last spring have stopped the purchase of the shotgun by the shooter.

Ergo the new push for more gun control is bullshit once again.

Despite a history of gun-related outbursts and at least eight behavior-related citations in his U.S. Navy file, the gunman did not have civilian criminal convictions that would have disqualified him from buying the Remington model 870 shotgun, a federal law enforcement source confirmed on Tuesday.


More gun-buyer background checks, cry congressional Democrats and newspaper editors after Navy Yard shooting - but would it have helped? | Mail Online

 

[RetiredGySgt]

NRA will not stand for it

Keep right on lying it fits you so well. What we won't stand for is the Government violating the Constitution. You don't like it change it. But you won't try cause you know a majority would have a shit fit if you admitted what you really want.

Calm down

You won

Nobody can do a fucking thing about murders and massacres in this country. We will not stand for gun owners to be inconvenienced. If they want an AR-15 with a hundred round magazine, it is their right. Same goes for the fucking crazy who wants to shoot up a school
We have our sacred second amendment and are willing to put up with an occasional massacre.......it is a small price to pay for our second amendment

Keep on lying those things are already illegal. To afraid your open support would be shot down in flames I see. Keep on lying it suits your ignorant name.

 

[tinydancer]

Depends when he got his security clearance. It is good for ten years. Unless someone reports him, it will stay in effect

Ten years is a long time. Are there any intermittent reviews?

His discharge from the service should have resulted in a review. Wanna bet it did not happen? If the police had properly reported his legal problems instead of sweeping them under the rug that too would have caused a review.

I know I had my clearance pulled when medically discharged from the service.

Thank you. I appreciate the information.

 

[Brain357]

Keep right on lying it fits you so well. What we won't stand for is the Government violating the Constitution. You don't like it change it. But you won't try cause you know a majority would have a shit fit if you admitted what you really want.

Would you be agreeable to it?

I would vote against it. The point is if you want to change the rights protected by the 2nd you must amend the Constitution no law will do. And no one is suggesting that because they know it would fail miserably. Meanwhile we have the usual idiots making ignorant comments about how NO ONE is trying to take anyone's weapons.

Why would you oppose trying to keep guns away from crazy people? I don't really think that should require amending the Constitution. Do you have something you would do to try to stop these shootings?

 

[Spoonman]

Who in hell gave this Washington shooter security clearance? I really want to know.

It's as crazy as the situation with Major Hassan where everyone and their mother knew Hassan was a crazed radical for years and he kept getting promoted for crying out loud.

Then turned around and proved that he was that crazy little radical guy that the powers that be ignored and he killed and wounded so many.

What's wrong with the system?

Depends when he got his security clearance. It is good for ten years. Unless someone reports him, it will stay in effect

seems like even reporting him caused no cause for alarm. lets not blame a total breakdown of the system and out government. lets take the cowards way out and blame the gun, an inanimate object. gun grabbers get more ridiculous by the day

U.S. Navy was warned that Washington shooter 'heard voices'

 

[rightwinger]

Keep right on lying it fits you so well. What we won't stand for is the Government violating the Constitution. You don't like it change it. But you won't try cause you know a majority would have a shit fit if you admitted what you really want.

Calm down

You won

Nobody can do a fucking thing about murders and massacres in this country. We will not stand for gun owners to be inconvenienced. If they want an AR-15 with a hundred round magazine, it is their right. Same goes for the fucking crazy who wants to shoot up a school
We have our sacred second amendment and are willing to put up with an occasional massacre.......it is a small price to pay for our second amendment

Keep on lying those things are already illegal. To afraid your open support would be shot down in flames I see. Keep on lying it suits your ignorant name.

You lie

AR-15 are the gun of choice of our crazed assassins. When you engage in a massacre, you need a bad ass looking gun and nothing beats an SR-15. And why have to stop to reload? You got people to kill, reloading slows you down
But at least our loyal gun owners can still buy their AR-15s when they want to look bad ass at he shooting range

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Would you be agreeable to it?

I would vote against it. The point is if you want to change the rights protected by the 2nd you must amend the Constitution no law will do. And no one is suggesting that because they know it would fail miserably. Meanwhile we have the usual idiots making ignorant comments about how NO ONE is trying to take anyone's weapons.

Why would you oppose trying to keep guns away from crazy people? I don't really think that should require amending the Constitution. Do you have something you would do to try to stop these shootings?

There are so few shootings and so few dead as to be insignificant when compared to the law abiding firearms owners. Bills get defeated because they try to tack on illegal, unconstitutional amendments and paragraphs.

Claiming I support shootings is not only ignorant it is retarded. It is already illegal for crazy people to own firearms. If law enforcement and the justice system had done their job correctly the naval yard shooter would not have had a clearance and could not have purchased the shotgun.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Calm down

You won

Nobody can do a fucking thing about murders and massacres in this country. We will not stand for gun owners to be inconvenienced. If they want an AR-15 with a hundred round magazine, it is their right. Same goes for the fucking crazy who wants to shoot up a school
We have our sacred second amendment and are willing to put up with an occasional massacre.......it is a small price to pay for our second amendment

Keep on lying those things are already illegal. To afraid your open support would be shot down in flames I see. Keep on lying it suits your ignorant name.

You lie

AR-15 are the gun of choice of our crazed assassins. When you engage in a massacre, you need a bad ass looking gun and nothing beats an SR-15. And why have to stop to reload? You got people to kill, reloading slows you down
But at least our loyal gun owners can still buy their AR-15s when they want to look bad ass at he shooting range

Well except he used a shotgun.......

 

[rightwinger]

Who in hell gave this Washington shooter security clearance? I really want to know.

It's as crazy as the situation with Major Hassan where everyone and their mother knew Hassan was a crazed radical for years and he kept getting promoted for crying out loud.

Then turned around and proved that he was that crazy little radical guy that the powers that be ignored and he killed and wounded so many.

What's wrong with the system?

Depends when he got his security clearance. It is good for ten years. Unless someone reports him, it will stay in effect

seems like even reporting him caused no cause for alarm. lets not blame a total breakdown of the system and out government. lets take the cowards way out and blame the gun, an inanimate object. gun grabbers get more ridiculous by the day

U.S. Navy was warned that Washington shooter 'heard voices'

Pulling his clearance would not have stopped him from buying a gun. He just would have had to choose a different group of people to shoot up

 

[rightwinger]

Keep on lying those things are already illegal. To afraid your open support would be shot down in flames I see. Keep on lying it suits your ignorant name.

You lie

AR-15 are the gun of choice of our crazed assassins. When you engage in a massacre, you need a bad ass looking gun and nothing beats an SR-15. And why have to stop to reload? You got people to kill, reloading slows you down
But at least our loyal gun owners can still buy their AR-15s when they want to look bad ass at he shooting range

Well except he used a shotgun.......

Yea that sucks for him. If he had bought a decent gun and magazine, he could have killed a lot more people

 

[Brain357]

I would vote against it. The point is if you want to change the rights protected by the 2nd you must amend the Constitution no law will do. And no one is suggesting that because they know it would fail miserably. Meanwhile we have the usual idiots making ignorant comments about how NO ONE is trying to take anyone's weapons.

Why would you oppose trying to keep guns away from crazy people? I don't really think that should require amending the Constitution. Do you have something you would do to try to stop these shootings?

There are so few shootings and so few dead as to be insignificant when compared to the law abiding firearms owners. Bills get defeated because they try to tack on illegal, unconstitutional amendments and paragraphs.

Claiming I support shootings is not only ignorant it is retarded. It is already illegal for crazy people to own firearms. If law enforcement and the justice system had done their job correctly the naval yard shooter would not have had a clearance and could not have purchased the shotgun.

What keeps a crazy person from buying a firearm?

 

[Brain357]

You lie

AR-15 are the gun of choice of our crazed assassins. When you engage in a massacre, you need a bad ass looking gun and nothing beats an SR-15. And why have to stop to reload? You got people to kill, reloading slows you down
But at least our loyal gun owners can still buy their AR-15s when they want to look bad ass at he shooting range

Well except he used a shotgun.......

Yea that sucks for him. If he had bought a decent gun and magazine, he could have killed a lot more people

One report said he tried to buy an AR15. Some law stated he couldn't because he was not from the state. So he got the shotgun instead.

 

[Spoonman]

Calm down

You won

Nobody can do a fucking thing about murders and massacres in this country. We will not stand for gun owners to be inconvenienced. If they want an AR-15 with a hundred round magazine, it is their right. Same goes for the fucking crazy who wants to shoot up a school
We have our sacred second amendment and are willing to put up with an occasional massacre.......it is a small price to pay for our second amendment

Keep on lying those things are already illegal. To afraid your open support would be shot down in flames I see. Keep on lying it suits your ignorant name.

You lie

AR-15 are the gun of choice of our crazed assassins. When you engage in a massacre, you need a bad ass looking gun and nothing beats an SR-15. And why have to stop to reload? You got people to kill, reloading slows you down
But at least our loyal gun owners can still buy their AR-15s when they want to look bad ass at he shooting range

except an ar 15 wasn't used in newtown and one wasn't used here. yet of course the media has to drop one was used in both cases to sensationalize and feed the frenzy. hammers kill more people a year than AR 15's. and drivers can buy there loaded muscle and sports cars to look badass doing 40 through town. you guys are of the wall

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Why would you oppose trying to keep guns away from crazy people? I don't really think that should require amending the Constitution. Do you have something you would do to try to stop these shootings?

There are so few shootings and so few dead as to be insignificant when compared to the law abiding firearms owners. Bills get defeated because they try to tack on illegal, unconstitutional amendments and paragraphs.

Claiming I support shootings is not only ignorant it is retarded. It is already illegal for crazy people to own firearms. If law enforcement and the justice system had done their job correctly the naval yard shooter would not have had a clearance and could not have purchased the shotgun.

What keeps a crazy person from buying a firearm?

In regards the law anyone adjudged to be incompetent is barred from purchasing a firearm. That requires a Judge to so rule. In the case of this shooter he admitted to firing a weapon in a blind rage at a vehicle. More then enough to convict him of a felony. He had mental problems that were well known, more then enough coupled with his firearms violations to bring him before a Judge for a competence hearing.

failing those he has a legal right to own and possess firearms. There are HUNDREDS of Millions of legal firearm owners. And you would use emotion to deny them their protected rights.

 

[koshergrl]

I see the lies are already starting. Nobody said he tried to get an AR15. The lying press initially said he used an AR15, and that he was a naval officer. They were lying, and I see that now rw is doing the same.