Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic?

[Conservative65]

So it isn't about equality now? Seems you're OK with being a hypocrite when it comes to things.

You should pay some before claiming someone else should pay more.

Actually, it's about practicality. If hte country ran well if we taxed the rich at 0%, I'd be for that.

If the country ran well if we lined up all the rich and put bullets in the backs of their heads, I'd be for that.

But neither of those things would work.

You know what does work? Making the rich pay their fair share. It worked under FDR, it worked under Ike, it worked under LBJ and JFK and even Nixon.

We enjoyed our greatest prosperity when the rich paid high taxes AND the working man got a fair wage.

Imagine that.

We enjoyed our greatest prosperity when people earned what they got rather than demanding a rich person simply hand it to them. Imagine that. You want what a rich person has but want to do nothing for it.

 

[Conservative65]

Since you can't show where greed is a crime, your original premise is invalid. You wanted to charge someone with something that isn't a crime and for which you admit it isn't. Run along and come back when you have a clue.

Of course, you aren't the one to make the determination whether or not someone else is greedy. You can try but much like your desire to charge someone with something that isn't a crime, you'll fail.

If you want to keep arguing an argument I didn't make, go ahead.

Here's the thing. Do you really think that if the AG woke up with a hair up her ass tomorrow and decided to charge Wall Street with something, she couldn't find something to charge them with.

And do you think if you put it in front of a jury of 12 working stiffs, they wouldn't get real jail time?

You said that almost everyone you know is still digging their way out of the 2008 recession because the rich were greedy and not one when to jail for it. That's an argument that they should go to jail for greed when greed isn't a crime.

If those 12 working stiffs were like you and didn't realize greed wasn't a crime. They would be wrong but your hate for something you'll never be shows.

 

[francoHFW]

Actually, europe and Japan do better than we do. We wallow in pigshit clinging to our guns and bibles while the 1%ers turn us into a third world country.

Sorry to disillusion you, turd, but economic growth is lower in Europe and Japan, and unemployment is higher. So who's going down the road to being a third world country?

WE RECOVER FASTER FROM CORRUPT pUB DEPRESSIONS BECAUSE OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, BUT OUR BS pUB POLICIES THAT PANDER TO THE RICH AND REFUSE INVESTMENT WILL SCREW US IN THE LONG RUN...OOOPS.

Hmmm, why doesn't that work for Venezuela or Russia or Brazil? They all have abundant natural resources. Sweden also has abundant natural resources.

Corruption, bad education and training. Sweden did snap back- also skipped the Pubscam carnival.

Sweden's economy has never been robust ever since it adopted the welfare state.

Oh BS. I suppose only GOP economies are robust. Just before the corrupt bubble bursts, causing a scandal and a world recession or ANOTHER Great Depression.

 

[kaz]

Non responsive. They agreed to pay a certain amount for your medical insurance. They did not agree to pay an unlimited amount. Obviously they paid the insurance they agreed to. Why did it become their problem to pay unlimited medical bills? That was the question

I think they resented paying ANY medical bills. They fired girls when they got pregnant, for instance. The only reason I got this job in the first place was because the guy who they had picked initially had cancer only two weeks into the position.

Incidentally, I was nowhere near the theoretical limit of what health insurance would cover. They in fact, waited until after the major treatment was done to even try to pull what they pulled.

OK, so you didn't cost them anything. So we are back to they shit canned you for sucking

 

[francoHFW]

Yup, Conman- Everyone just decided to be lazy and go on welfare. Has nothing to do with Reaganist pander to the rich policies, refusal to invest in infrastructure or training, doubling the cost of college just under W, keeping down wages until demand, savings have fallen to historic lows, and corrupt lending practices started ANOTHER corrpt Pub WORLD DEPRESSION. Not to mention 5 years of mindless Pub obstruction stalling a recovery.

You people (?) are brainwashed functional morons. But keep those idiotic talking points and insults coming. You're hilarious and our best argument for Dems in 2016. READ SIG for your economic contribution, fool of the greedy idiot hater dupe GOP. READ SOMETHING.

 

[SAYIT]

You are going back and forth but getting nowhere. First you bitched about the (Jew) author. Then you whined you were just criticizing Israel. Now you are back to bitching about the (Jew) author who is just as American - if not more so - than you.

Simply answer the question: Is the author of the original post's article first an American...or is he just another shill for the Israeli lobby?

He sounds like an American who does not share your hate. I don't even agree with his position but I respect his right to have it and express it, just as I would had his position been a pro-Palestinian one with which I disagreed. You seem desperate to dismiss your personal and unsubstantiated attack on the author as just expressing your anti-Israelism but, in fact, your expressed your disdain for someone who does not share your hatred.

 

[SAYIT]

Except he did.

I'm not shocked you think someone owes you something. Try earning it for a change instead of demanding it be given to you.

How about getting what's owed people to be fairly distributed. I'm suspecting the rich wouldnt' like that much. Or people like you who fantasize about being rich.

With you being the judge of what is "fair," right Princess?

 

[SAYIT]

You know what does work? Making the rich pay their fair share. It worked under FDR, it worked under Ike, it worked under LBJ and JFK and even Nixon.

We enjoyed our greatest prosperity when the rich paid high taxes AND the working man got a fair wage.

You seem determined to impose your idea of "fair" on the rest of us. Here's a clue: life ain't "fair" and you struggle to absorb the facts. According to Franco's source, the bottom 40% of American earners pay an avg of 19% in total tax burden while the top 60% pay 29% of their earnings in taxes.
Those earning $30,000/yr pay $5,800.
Those earning $200,000/yr pay $58,000.
We all have access to the same gov't services & property but the rich pay 10 times as much for it.

 

[francoHFW]

95% of new wealth goes to the richest, and we have the worst rich/poor gap and upward mobility in the history of our country. Also per cent homeless and in prison, highest college costs and infrastructure going to hell. Great job, Pubbies.

Our tax system is basically a flat tax, and if you count government fees, the poorest are closer to the rich in % paid. We're all going to hell for the sake of your megarich brainwashers...

 

[JoeB131]

We enjoyed our greatest prosperity when people earned what they got rather than demanding a rich person simply hand it to them. Imagine that. You want what a rich person has but want to do nothing for it.

Bullshit. We had prosperity becaue the government and unions made sure that the rich didn't cheat the working man, and because rich looked at the rest of the world trying out some flavor of socialism and not wanting it to happen here.

 

[JoeB131]

You seem determined to impose your idea of "fair" on the rest of us. Here's a clue: life ain't "fair" and you struggle to absorb the facts. According to Franco's source, the bottom 40% of American earners pay an avg of 19% in total tax burden while the top 60% pay 29% of their earnings in taxes.

Here's an idea. We go back to the Pre-Reagan tax structure.

Problem solved.

 

[JoeB131]

OK, so you didn't cost them anything. So we are back to they shit canned you for sucking

My medical bills in 2006-2008 were over $70,000. which is why you buy insurance. Supposedly

Incidently, my reviews were exemplary and I got the maximum allowable raise every year.

 

[francoHFW]

The top 60% should NOT be paying the same % in taxes!! With the next 20% close, and btw, if you count the ever increasing FEES (in reaction to less federal aid), the lowest 40% are basically in the same boat.

 

[JoeB131]

You said that almost everyone you know is still digging their way out of the 2008 recession because the rich were greedy and not one when to jail for it. That's an argument that they should go to jail for greed when greed isn't a crime.

NO, it's an argument they should go to jail for wrecking the economy. Convict them of economic treason with a prompt and brutal execution. Done.

 

[Conservative65]

You said that almost everyone you know is still digging their way out of the 2008 recession because the rich were greedy and not one when to jail for it. That's an argument that they should go to jail for greed when greed isn't a crime.

NO, it's an argument they should go to jail for wrecking the economy. Convict them of economic treason with a prompt and brutal execution. Done.

Another failure by a failure. If wrecking the economy is a crime, reserve a cell for your boy Obama.

 

[francoHFW]

Look at the facts, and it's obvious REAGANISM is turning us into a Banana Republic- An oligarchy making all the money in a collapsing infrastructure etc for the nonrich, brainwashed CHUMPS.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.
Over the past 30 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:
1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.
Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.
But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):
1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%
A 13% drop since 1980
2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.
Share of National Income going to Top 10%:
1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%
An increase of 16% since Reagan.
3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.
The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.
1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)
A 12.3% drop after Reagan.
4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.
Household Debt as percentage of GDP:
1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%
A 45% increase after 1980.
5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.
Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:
1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%
A 5.6 times increase.
6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.
The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:
1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%
A 10% Decrease.
Links:
1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Zh1bveXc8rA/SuddUhLWUaI/AAAAAAAAA7M/iU2gefk317M/s1600-h/Clipboard01.jpg
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4?slop=1#slideshow-start
Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[Conservative65]

We enjoyed our greatest prosperity when people earned what they got rather than demanding a rich person simply hand it to them. Imagine that. You want what a rich person has but want to do nothing for it.

Bullshit. We had prosperity becaue the government and unions made sure that the rich didn't cheat the working man, and because rich looked at the rest of the world trying out some flavor of socialism and not wanting it to happen here.

The government and unions made sure those who couldn't do it own their own got more than what their skills were worth. Anyone relying on a union to do their bidding isn't worth hiring.

Socialism shouldn't happen anywhere.

 

[francoHFW]

If you blame a totally obstructed Obama, you are a (50% chance racist) brainwashed functional MORON.

 

[JoeB131]

The government and unions made sure those who couldn't do it own their own got more than what their skills were worth. Anyone relying on a union to do their bidding isn't worth hiring.

Socialism shouldn't happen anywhere.

Actually, the government made sure the rich couldn't cheat us anymore. Because they will.

"The problem with Capitalism is capitalists, they're too damned greedy." - Herbert Hoover.

 

[Conservative65]

The government and unions made sure those who couldn't do it own their own got more than what their skills were worth. Anyone relying on a union to do their bidding isn't worth hiring.

Socialism shouldn't happen anywhere.

Actually, the government made sure the rich couldn't cheat us anymore. Because they will.

"The problem with Capitalism is capitalists, they're too damned greedy." - Herbert Hoover.

They try to make it where you actually have something because they know you damn well can't earn that much.

You have a problem with someone keeping more of what they earned yet none with someone that didn't earn it getting it. The latter is far more greedy than the former ever could be.