Health Care - we gotta fix this shit...

[dblack]

I'm a conservative.
But even I realize that our health Care system is screwed.
Pharmacutical companies are gouging us out of our retirement savings.
Insurance companies are gouging us out of our 401k's.
Doctors and hospitals are performing unneeded procedures and prescribing unneeded drugs for profit.
I'm all about profit - but not profit over deceit.
And not profit over the well-being of American citizens.
I always thought the federal government was fundamental for our national defense, and national defense only.
Not any more.
Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Both systems are abused and bankrupt.
Have a single payer system. Tack on 5% on our paychecks and have the government have oversight.
Everybody has health care.
I hate to say it, but that's what it's come down to.

Oh perfect! The government can do oversight!

Problem solved! Government isn't motivated by GREED!

Just lust for power. Hmmm...

 

[Mac1958]

Have a single payer system.

We already have an excellent system in place, one that combines a strong government foundation for all with dynamic, innovative free market competition:

The Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system. With some tweaks (and yes, probably an increased tax), it could easily be scaled to all.

If conservatives don't get their heads out of their asses and start learning how this system works, we WILL end of up with true Single Payer. Guaranteed.
.

Good luck on that.

Here it comes, then.
.

 

[healthmyths]

I'm a conservative.
But even I realize that our health Care system is screwed.
Pharmacutical companies are gouging us out of our retirement savings.
Insurance companies are gouging us out of our 401k's.
Doctors and hospitals are performing unneeded procedures and prescribing unneeded drugs for profit.
I'm all about profit - but not profit over deceit.
And not profit over the well-being of American citizens.
I always thought the federal government was fundamental for our national defense, and national defense only.
Not any more.
Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Both systems are abused and bankrupt.
Have a single payer system. Tack on 5% on our paychecks and have the government have oversight.
Everybody has health care.
I hate to say it, but that's what it's come down to.

And YET you either out of ignorance or whatever IGNORE what causes nearly $1 trillion a year in wasted health care expenses.
I've put this up several times and people either have such a short attention span that they don't comprehend the realities that health care providers fear lawsuits.
As a result these providers order duplicate tests, referrals to other specialists...all to be on the "safe" side that they won't be sued!
$1 Trillion wasted.
The average physician spends over 10 percent of his or her career consumed in defense of an open malpractice claim. For the average neurosurgeon, that number is 25%—that’s a quarter of a career dealing with the intense emotional stress of defending your reputation and livelihood.
U.S. Doctors Spend Too Much Time Getting Sued

 

[dblack]

I am too a Conservative and agree. Everyone needs quality health CARE, not just a once over & given some drug that has more side effects than it treats just so everyone in the loop gets rich. Dr's don't treat the problems, they treat the symptoms and that's not healthcare.

Everyone needs food and housing too. Should government control access to those as well?

 

[dblack]

Call me what you want. It's gotta be fixed.

But you're OP say it's gotta be taken over by government. That's not the same thing.

 

[Rustic]

Have a single payer system.

We already have an excellent system in place, one that combines a strong government foundation for all with dynamic, innovative free market competition:

The Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system. With some tweaks (and yes, probably an increased tax), it could easily be scaled to all.

If conservatives don't get their heads out of their asses and start learning how this system works, we WILL end of up with true Single Payer. Guaranteed.
.

Good luck on that.

Here it comes, then.
.

Unfortunately, the collective always fucks over the individual

 

[healthmyths]

My coverage in retirement is fantastic, and since I paid for those before me, I want my cut.

I am almost 50, I will never see a penny from any socialist entitlement programs I have paid in all my adult life... I want to cut bait and get the fuck out of that shit I don’t want to pay anymore into the shit...

To support your point so do the Trustees of SS/Medicare!
Trustees Reports

A SUMMARY OF THE 2018 ANNUAL REPORTS
Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees

Page 1..
Social Security and Medicare together accounted for 42 percent of Federal program expenditures in fiscal year 2017.

Both Social Security and Medicare will experience cost growth substantially in excess of GDP growth through the mid-2030s
due to rapid population aging caused by the large baby-boom generation entering retirement and
lower-birth-rate generations entering employment
The Trustees project that the combined trust funds will be depleted in 2034, the same year projected in last year’s report.

The Trustees project that the HI Trust Fund (Part A hospital) will be depleted in 2026, three years earlier than projected in last year’s report
At that time dedicated revenues will be sufficient to pay 91 percent of HI costs.
Now I'm shouting: Do you idiots know that without doing anything... that in 2026...8 years from now
if you are under Medicare and again nothing happens...and you go to the hospital... Medicare will pay not only right now just 80% (because you idiots don't seem to know that the individual right now pays the other 20%!!)
but in 2026 that 80% will be 72% paid by Medicare AND YOU will pay 28% !
So without doing anything... YOU when under Medicare after age 65 will be paying 8% more... Or
something will happen!

 

[dblack]

Go find a medical co-op and stop demanding others pay for your shit.

You're missing the point. What they're after isn't the freedom to do health care the way they want. What they're after is the power to force YOU to do health care the way THEY want.

 

[Aldo Raine]

I'm a conservative.
But even I realize that our health Care system is screwed.
Pharmacutical companies are gouging us out of our retirement savings.
Insurance companies are gouging us out of our 401k's.
Doctors and hospitals are performing unneeded procedures and prescribing unneeded drugs for profit.
I'm all about profit - but not profit over deceit.
And not profit over the well-being of American citizens.
I always thought the federal government was fundamental for our national defense, and national defense only.
Not any more.
Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Both systems are abused and bankrupt.
Have a single payer system. Tack on 5% on our paychecks and have the government have oversight.
Everybody has health care.
I hate to say it, but that's what it's come down to.

RINO!

 

[AntonToo]

I'm a conservative.
But even I realize that our health Care system is screwed.
Pharmacutical companies are gouging us out of our retirement savings.
Insurance companies are gouging us out of our 401k's.
Doctors and hospitals are performing unneeded procedures and prescribing unneeded drugs for profit.
I'm all about profit - but not profit over deceit.
And not profit over the well-being of American citizens.
I always thought the federal government was fundamental for our national defense, and national defense only.
Not any more.
Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Both systems are abused and bankrupt.
Have a single payer system. Tack on 5% on our paychecks and have the government have oversight.
Everybody has health care.
I hate to say it, but that's what it's come down to.

It will happen, sooner rather than later. Trump has always supported a universal healthcare system and he will start to push for one before he is done. And once the idea comes from Trump, all these people bashing you will think it is the best idea ever and will support it do their dying breath.

Funny...

It will happen, and all the Trump sheep will become the biggest supporters of single payer

Lol
Forced socialized medicine, George Orwell’s 1984 comes to mind… People don’t know what is best for them… Soylent Green

Thats because your mind is hoped up on rightwing hysterics.

Out here in the real world a lot of developed democracies have single payer healthcare systems (see Canada, Great Britain etc.) and they have ZERO interest in pursuing the American model.

 

[Rustic]

I'm a conservative.
But even I realize that our health Care system is screwed.
Pharmacutical companies are gouging us out of our retirement savings.
Insurance companies are gouging us out of our 401k's.
Doctors and hospitals are performing unneeded procedures and prescribing unneeded drugs for profit.
I'm all about profit - but not profit over deceit.
And not profit over the well-being of American citizens.
I always thought the federal government was fundamental for our national defense, and national defense only.
Not any more.
Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Both systems are abused and bankrupt.
Have a single payer system. Tack on 5% on our paychecks and have the government have oversight.
Everybody has health care.
I hate to say it, but that's what it's come down to.

It will happen, sooner rather than later. Trump has always supported a universal healthcare system and he will start to push for one before he is done. And once the idea comes from Trump, all these people bashing you will think it is the best idea ever and will support it do their dying breath.

Funny...

It will happen, and all the Trump sheep will become the biggest supporters of single payer

Lol
Forced socialized medicine, George Orwell’s 1984 comes to mind… People don’t know what is best for them… Soylent Green

Thats because your mind is hoped up on rightwing hysterics.

Out here in the real world a lot of developed democracies have single payer healthcare systems (see Canada, Great Britain etc.) and they have ZERO interest in pursuing the American model.

Which is perfectly fine with me, but no one should be forced into socialize medicine.
Millions of conservative would benefit in no way from socialized medicine, In fact it would make their lives a living hell

 

[AntonToo]

It will happen, sooner rather than later. Trump has always supported a universal healthcare system and he will start to push for one before he is done. And once the idea comes from Trump, all these people bashing you will think it is the best idea ever and will support it do their dying breath.

Funny...

It will happen, and all the Trump sheep will become the biggest supporters of single payer

Lol
Forced socialized medicine, George Orwell’s 1984 comes to mind… People don’t know what is best for them… Soylent Green

Thats because your mind is hoped up on rightwing hysterics.

Out here in the real world a lot of developed democracies have single payer healthcare systems (see Canada, Great Britain etc.) and they have ZERO interest in pursuing the American model.

Which is perfectly fine with me, but no one should be forced into socialize medicine.
Millions of conservative would benefit in no way from socialized medicine, In fact it would make their lives a living hell

....Single Payer, by definition is a system where government pays for everyone's healthcare, financed by INVOLANTARY taxation.

So when you say "perfectly fine with me" but then follow it up with, "but no one should be forced into it" you aren't making any sense.

 

[Rustic]

Funny...

It will happen, and all the Trump sheep will become the biggest supporters of single payer

Lol
Forced socialized medicine, George Orwell’s 1984 comes to mind… People don’t know what is best for them… Soylent Green

Thats because your mind is hoped up on rightwing hysterics.

Out here in the real world a lot of developed democracies have single payer healthcare systems (see Canada, Great Britain etc.) and they have ZERO interest in pursuing the American model.

Which is perfectly fine with me, but no one should be forced into socialize medicine.
Millions of conservative would benefit in no way from socialized medicine, In fact it would make their lives a living hell

....Single Payer, by definition is a system where government pays for everyone's healthcare, financed by INVOLANTARY taxation.

So when you say "perfectly fine with me" but then follow it up with, "but no one should be forced into it" you aren't making any sense.

It should be an opt in, that’s easy.
Sign up for the shit if you want it automatically Excluded if you don’t want it

 

[AntonToo]

It will happen, and all the Trump sheep will become the biggest supporters of single payer

Lol
Forced socialized medicine, George Orwell’s 1984 comes to mind… People don’t know what is best for them… Soylent Green

Thats because your mind is hoped up on rightwing hysterics.

Out here in the real world a lot of developed democracies have single payer healthcare systems (see Canada, Great Britain etc.) and they have ZERO interest in pursuing the American model.

Which is perfectly fine with me, but no one should be forced into socialize medicine.
Millions of conservative would benefit in no way from socialized medicine, In fact it would make their lives a living hell

....Single Payer, by definition is a system where government pays for everyone's healthcare, financed by INVOLANTARY taxation.

So when you say "perfectly fine with me" but then follow it up with, "but no one should be forced into it" you aren't making any sense.

It should be an opt in, that’s easy.
Sign up for the shit if you want it automatically Excluded if you don’t want it

Doesn't work - people elect to not participate in the system untill they get older and sicker or simply because they are totally irresponsible and when shit hits the fan...what? we are supposed to just let them die or get deformed because they can't afford the care?

 

[Rustic]

Lol
Forced socialized medicine, George Orwell’s 1984 comes to mind… People don’t know what is best for them… Soylent Green

Thats because your mind is hoped up on rightwing hysterics.

Out here in the real world a lot of developed democracies have single payer healthcare systems (see Canada, Great Britain etc.) and they have ZERO interest in pursuing the American model.

Which is perfectly fine with me, but no one should be forced into socialize medicine.
Millions of conservative would benefit in no way from socialized medicine, In fact it would make their lives a living hell

....Single Payer, by definition is a system where government pays for everyone's healthcare, financed by INVOLANTARY taxation.

So when you say "perfectly fine with me" but then follow it up with, "but no one should be forced into it" you aren't making any sense.

It should be an opt in, that’s easy.
Sign up for the shit if you want it automatically Excluded if you don’t want it

Doesn't work - people simply don't participate in the system untill they get older and sicker or simply because they are totally irresponsible and when shit hits the fan...what? we are supposed to just let them die or get deformed because they can't afford the care?

See that’s unacceptable, you can’t force people into shit that They do not want, cannot afford, and will never benefit from.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

I am too a Conservative and agree. Everyone needs quality health CARE, not just a once over & given some drug that has more side effects than it treats just so everyone in the loop gets rich. Dr's don't treat the problems, they treat the symptoms and that's not healthcare.

Everyone needs food and housing too. Should government control access to those as well?

agreed, but at the cost to consumers for quality healthcare, that food & housing is limited even more. No government should NOT be controlling access to anything actually. IDK, whatever......but I do know the healthcare systems we've had so far, don't work either. There has to be some kind of middle ground or solution to this mess so that everyone can get good quality care without it putting them in debt.

1. Dr's should be able to treat the patient and the problem....NOT just push the people thru with a RX for some drug that makes you sicker than when you started.

2. Some type of regulation to companies, such as Mylan with Epi-pens, from price gouging the consumers.....just because they can

3. the FDA to be open to other methods that are being done in other countries.....but they don't approve them here.


the list goes on because of how far reaching the problems are...….and the consumers are paying for it thru the nose and in some cases with their lives

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I'm a conservative.
But even I realize that our health Care system is screwed.
Pharmacutical companies are gouging us out of our retirement savings.
Insurance companies are gouging us out of our 401k's.
Doctors and hospitals are performing unneeded procedures and prescribing unneeded drugs for profit.
I'm all about profit - but not profit over deceit.
And not profit over the well-being of American citizens.
I always thought the federal government was fundamental for our national defense, and national defense only.
Not any more.
Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Both systems are abused and bankrupt.
Have a single payer system. Tack on 5% on our paychecks and have the government have oversight.
Everybody has health care.
I hate to say it, but that's what it's come down to.

REPEAL AND REPLACE!

X70

Then nothing.


If that doesn't work for you, who did you vote for?

 

[Crixus]

I'm a conservative.
But even I realize that our health Care system is screwed.
Pharmacutical companies are gouging us out of our retirement savings.
Insurance companies are gouging us out of our 401k's.
Doctors and hospitals are performing unneeded procedures and prescribing unneeded drugs for profit.
I'm all about profit - but not profit over deceit.
And not profit over the well-being of American citizens.
I always thought the federal government was fundamental for our national defense, and national defense only.
Not any more.
Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Both systems are abused and bankrupt.
Have a single payer system. Tack on 5% on our paychecks and have the government have oversight.
Everybody has health care.
I hate to say it, but that's what it's come down to.

Or, make it illegal to jack the cost of drugs from $60 to$1,000 over night. Also, make it illegal for money to change hands between polititions and drug companies. And the last part, how about teaching Americans to have a job and work as well as being proactive IN THEIR own health care instead of making me pay for it. I’m a full blown COPD. My one inhailer cost $260 a month and the rescue went from $35 a month before the fovrenment “fixed healthcare” to $375. Why should you have to pay my medical bills after I smoker for 25 years? Government has zero business in health care. They know it to. That’s why they made it so they don’t have to go on token negro care.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Outlaw health insurance and repeal medicare (pharma and provider windfall meal tickets). Problem solved.

Brilliant.

So when 95% of providers close up shop, who does health care in your glorious world?


Psst... .
Meal tickets create affordable care.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I'm a conservative.
But even I realize that our health Care system is screwed.
Pharmacutical companies are gouging us out of our retirement savings.
Insurance companies are gouging us out of our 401k's.
Doctors and hospitals are performing unneeded procedures and prescribing unneeded drugs for profit.
I'm all about profit - but not profit over deceit.
And not profit over the well-being of American citizens.
I always thought the federal government was fundamental for our national defense, and national defense only.
Not any more.
Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Both systems are abused and bankrupt.
Have a single payer system. Tack on 5% on our paychecks and have the government have oversight.
Everybody has health care.
I hate to say it, but that's what it's come down to.

Or, make it illegal to jack the cost of drugs from $60 to$1,000 over night. Also, make it illegal for money to change hands between polititions and drug companies. And the last part, how about teaching Americans to have a job and work as well as being proactive IN THEIR own health care instead of making me pay for it. I’m a full blown COPD. My one inhailer cost $260 a month and the rescue went from $35 a month before the fovrenment “fixed healthcare” to $375. Why should you have to pay my medical bills after I smoker for 25 years? Government has zero business in health care. They know it to. That’s why they made it so they don’t have to go on token negro care.

Get a clue, loser.

My pristine health pays for your COPD.

Where do you imagine my premiums go if I have no claims?