Hey republicans, how exactly are we supposed to fix the stagnant wage problem?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

For most on the right stagnant wages aren't a 'problem.'

 

[Skull Pilot]

For most on the right stagnant wages aren't a 'problem.'

It's not really a problem for anyone since anyone can make more money if they want to.

 

[Avatar4321]

How does artificially increasing the wages through government fix the problem? All you end up doing is raising level of what we consider poverty. Now poverty will be those making less than twenty an hour instead of those making less than fifteen.

you inflate the cost of living with government intervention and you price the unskilled workers out of the market and force companies to move production overseas.

how does that benefit anyone?

let people be free to make their own career decisions. You'd be shocked at what will happen

 

[LogikAndReazon]

By allowing 5 million third world illegal foreigners to compete for entry level jobs....... Lol

 

[zeke]

It's not really a problem for anyone since anyone can make more money if they want to

Hey how's it going in fantasy land? You they can go from 8 bucks an hour to 9. Maybe.
Is that what you are talking about?

Or do you still believe that the 25yo guy that's been making a little about MW will all of a sudden be worth 75K a year? How would that be? You know with his piss poor reading and math skills and his MW experience,

But I already know your answer.

They just have to pull themselves up by their boot straps and they can DO IT.

It's just that people like you are full of platitudes and short on practical solutions. As usual.

 

[zeke]

How does artificially increasing the wages through government fix the problem?

One way is to pay them enough that they don't qualify for food stamps. There's an idea.

Maybe you could tell me, what is the benefit to ME by having MW workers paid low enough that they can still get government assistance.

What is my families benefit for this situation?

 

[Boss]

If republicans are too immature to admit the low wage problem can't be fixed through forcefully raising the minimum wage, how exactly are we supposed to boost wages? Since the recession there has been a significant decrease of high wage jobs and a significant increase of low wage jobs. How do we fix poverty if 10s of millions of Americans HAVE NO CHOICE but to accept low wage jobs?

Let's pretend republicans had full control over this issue. What would republicans do to boost wages? I want specific answers. Don't give me crap like "undo democratic bullshit of the last 6 years derp derp derp". I want SPECIFIC AND DETAILED steps on how we are supposed to boost wages in this county if raising the minimum wage isn't an option.

First of all, we have to come to the understanding that we do not live in Utopia. We're never going to realize a scenario where everyone is happy and satisfied with the pay they receive for the work they do. It simply doesn't matter what we do in terms of policy, there will always be some people who are not happy with how much they earn for they jobs they do. Perhaps they are justified, perhaps they are not, but they will always exist.

Next, we need to look at history to see what has worked in the past. Free market capitalism has always worked to improve prosperity. It has created more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever devised by man. It literally brought a fledgling little upstart nation to prominence as the greatest superpower ever known to man in just over 200 years. Likewise, we also know what hasn't ever worked to produce prosperity, and that is socialism. I'm sorry if that word offends you, but when you are suggesting socialist policies we have to call them what they are. Taking from this group to give to that group, restricting and hindering free market capitalism with burdens it is not intended to deal with, attacking capitalism as some sort of evil that needs punishing... these are things that don't work to produce prosperity.

One of the keys to increasing overall average wages is to increase the capitalist demand for labor. Free market capitalism works on supply and demand, so you have to increase demand for labor... but instead, we are doing things to increase supply of labor. Obama just legalized some 12 million illegal aliens who now enter the labor pool and compete for jobs with the rest of us. We haven't done a thing to increase the number of jobs, we continue to drive those overseas. So the total opposite of what we need to happen is happening. And the more we drive down the number of jobs and increase the supply of labor, the less and less those jobs will pay. That's where we are.

I've made the suggestion before that we should eliminate corporate taxes. Also, declare a tax moratorium on wealth brought back to the US to create new jobs. There is an estimated $15 trillion in US wealth abroad. If the United States eliminated corporate taxes, you can't imagine the number of companies worldwide who would want to tap into our highly-consumerist economy. Hell, we might have to annex Mexico to fill the new job openings before it's said and done. But you are greatly increasing the supply of jobs and this creates a demand for labor. When you have a high demand for labor and limited supply, the price paid for labor is higher.

 

[Billy000]

How does artificially increasing the wages through government fix the problem? All you end up doing is raising level of what we consider poverty. Now poverty will be those making less than twenty an hour instead of those making less than fifteen.

you inflate the cost of living with government intervention and you price the unskilled workers out of the market and force companies to move production overseas.

how does that benefit anyone?

let people be free to make their own career decisions. You'd be shocked at what will happen

It really wouldn't actually. Raising the mininmum wage to 15 gradually over a couple of years will only raise prices slightly and the increase in consumer spending would keep prices stable. This also has to do with inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10 per hour was the 1960s.

There is no evidence raising the wage causes inflation. For one thing, we've raised the wage several times and the economy responded fine.

You aren't taking into account the long term benefit of raising the minimum wage. Yes initially it will cost capital but over time the boost in consumer spending will benefit the economy.

 

[zeke]

There is no evidence raising the wage causes inflation. For one thing, we've raised the wage several times and the economy responded fine.

This stupid argument that raising the earning a modest amount for the fewest number of workers employed is somehow going to cause inflation is funny and strange at the same time.

Classic inflation has to much money chasing to few goods or services.

Like a minimum wage worker has SO much disposable income that they and they alone will cause a shortage of goods and be responsible for driving prices higher and higher.

That's a fucking silly idea. But then again, we are talking about Republicans.

 

[Billy000]

If republicans are too immature to admit the low wage problem can't be fixed through forcefully raising the minimum wage, how exactly are we supposed to boost wages? Since the recession there has been a significant decrease of high wage jobs and a significant increase of low wage jobs. How do we fix poverty if 10s of millions of Americans HAVE NO CHOICE but to accept low wage jobs?

Let's pretend republicans had full control over this issue. What would republicans do to boost wages? I want specific answers. Don't give me crap like "undo democratic bullshit of the last 6 years derp derp derp". I want SPECIFIC AND DETAILED steps on how we are supposed to boost wages in this county if raising the minimum wage isn't an option.

First of all, we have to come to the understanding that we do not live in Utopia. We're never going to realize a scenario where everyone is happy and satisfied with the pay they receive for the work they do. It simply doesn't matter what we do in terms of policy, there will always be some people who are not happy with how much they earn for they jobs they do. Perhaps they are justified, perhaps they are not, but they will always exist.

Next, we need to look at history to see what has worked in the past. Free market capitalism has always worked to improve prosperity. It has created more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever devised by man. It literally brought a fledgling little upstart nation to prominence as the greatest superpower ever known to man in just over 200 years. Likewise, we also know what hasn't ever worked to produce prosperity, and that is socialism. I'm sorry if that word offends you, but when you are suggesting socialist policies we have to call them what they are. Taking from this group to give to that group, restricting and hindering free market capitalism with burdens it is not intended to deal with, attacking capitalism as some sort of evil that needs punishing... these are things that don't work to produce prosperity.

One of the keys to increasing overall average wages is to increase the capitalist demand for labor. Free market capitalism works on supply and demand, so you have to increase demand for labor... but instead, we are doing things to increase supply of labor. Obama just legalized some 12 million illegal aliens who now enter the labor pool and compete for jobs with the rest of us. We haven't done a thing to increase the number of jobs, we continue to drive those overseas. So the total opposite of what we need to happen is happening. And the more we drive down the number of jobs and increase the supply of labor, the less and less those jobs will pay. That's where we are.

I've made the suggestion before that we should eliminate corporate taxes. Also, declare a tax moratorium on wealth brought back to the US to create new jobs. There is an estimated $15 trillion in US wealth abroad. If the United States eliminated corporate taxes, you can't imagine the number of companies worldwide who would want to tap into our highly-consumerist economy. Hell, we might have to annex Mexico to fill the new job openings before it's said and done. But you are greatly increasing the supply of jobs and this creates a demand for labor. When you have a high demand for labor and limited supply, the price paid for labor is higher.

Yes the free market does create many one percenters. However the free market's biggest flaw if unregulated is that the high wages and wealth become concentrated more at the top than below. 1% of the top earners own 40% of the nation's wealth.

You are right that increasing economic demand does create jobs and does help wages but if we keep following republican economics, which is all supply side, demand will suffer. Helping the investment class means dick for the economy if there is no boost to the middle and poor class. Tax cuts for the wealthy have been proven to jack shit for the economy as a whole because demand remains stagnant. The true solution for improving our economy is extending unemployment benefits for the poor, paid for tax cuts for the middle class, and raising the minimum wage.

Eliminating the corporate tax rate sounds great but in reality it would drive us much farther into debt. Tax cuts do not pay for themselves unless you raise revenue somewhere else. It also does jack shit to increase consumer demand.

 

[zeke]

Eliminating the corporate tax rate sounds great but in reality it would drive us much farther into debt. Tax cuts do not pay for themselves unless you raise revenue somewhere else. It also does jack shit to increase consumer demand.

Billy if you are discussing this issue with bossy, good luck. He's a multi millionaire municipal bond trader and he is pissed that he has to pay 39% tax on all his millions.

He could give a fuck less about middle class people or poor people or the country itself.

All his ideas do is benefit him. And that's all he is interested in. Something for nothing.

 

[edthecynic]

Obama just legalized some 12 million illegal aliens .

 

[blackhawk]

How long are some people going to continue asking questions for which they won't accept any answer but their own.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's not really a problem for anyone since anyone can make more money if they want to

Hey how's it going in fantasy land? You they can go from 8 bucks an hour to 9. Maybe.
Is that what you are talking about?

Or do you still believe that the 25yo guy that's been making a little about MW will all of a sudden be worth 75K a year? How would that be? You know with his piss poor reading and math skills and his MW experience,

But I already know your answer.

They just have to pull themselves up by their boot straps and they can DO IT.

It's just that people like you are full of platitudes and short on practical solutions. As usual.

You are so limited in your thinking it really is sad.

If you want to make more money get off your ample ass and get a second part time job and PRESTO you are making more money.

Imagine that

 

[Billy000]

Eliminating the corporate tax rate sounds great but in reality it would drive us much farther into debt. Tax cuts do not pay for themselves unless you raise revenue somewhere else. It also does jack shit to increase consumer demand.

Billy if you are discussing this issue with bossy, good luck. He's a multi millionaire municipal bond trader and he is pissed that he has to pay 39% tax on all his millions.

He could give a fuck less about middle class people or poor people or the country itself.

All his ideas do is benefit him. And that's all he is interested in. Something for nothing.

Are you serious? It's astounding one could be so ignorant and be in such a position.

 

[Billy000]

How long are some people going to continue asking questions for which they won't accept any answer but their own.

What is the answer I refuse to accept? Just say it. If you say it and I refuse to acknowledge it, I will only look dumb.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

(1) stop the printing and flooding of additional currency in the economy by the treasury, which lowers the value of our nation's currency. Strengthening the US dollar and ending the excessive spending of our government is the most important step.

(2) Push legislation that create a better environment for those higher paying skilled businesses to WANT to establish themselves here and build in the United States as opposed to outside this country.

(3) Stress the need for more financial programs in schools that educate students on areas of basic personal investments, the descussion of various types of personal loans a bank or mortgage broker may try to influence you with, influencing a need to make better financial decisions .... over the more "politically motivated" classes government or special interest may try to use as there personal "platform" for public schools.

(4) Encourage more various job training programs, that alert college students to those opportunities in advancing careers that are up coming and in demand. More job fairs on college camp grounds that open the door to apprenticeship programs for those students who will need a job, partnered with those higher paying careers who need to acquire certain set of skills out of their applicants seeking a job.

(5) Stop looking to government as the solution to those who make the personal choice to refuse public education. People need to be accountable to the own actions, and if you choose not to educate yourself to prepare yourself for those higher paying opportunities, them flipping burgers and life as a door greeter at Walmart may be all that is in your future. Just don't ask the Federal Givernment to compensate with a higher wage, because you want to give a pity party drama speech over those lost opportunities that you refused to work hard in attaining on your own.


Our country is built upon the Founders vision for the individual "PURSUIT of happiness", not its guarantee by the government.

 

[zeke]

If you want to make more money get off your ample ass and get a second part time job and PRESTO you are making more money.

Told ya. I coulda written your bullshit answer for ya.

 

[Billy000]

(1) stop the printing and flooding of additional currency in the economy by the treasury, which lowers the value of our nation's currency. Strengthening the US dollar and ending the excessive spending of our government is the most important step.

(2) Push legislation that create a better environment for those higher paying skilled businesses to WANT to establish themselves here and build in the United States as opposed to outside this country.

(3) Stress the need for more financial programs in schools that educate students on areas of basic personal investments, the descussion of various types of personal loans a bank or mortgage broker may try to influence you with, influencing a need to make better financial decisions .... over the more "politically motivated" classes government or special interest may try to use as there personal "platform" for public schools.

(4) Encourage more various job training programs, that alert college students to those opportunities in advancing careers that are up coming and in demand. More job fairs on college camp grounds that open the door to apprenticeship programs for those students who will need a job, partnered with those higher paying careers who need to acquire certain set of skills out of their applicants seeking a job.

(5) Stop looking to government as the solution to those who make the personal choice to refuse public education. People need to be accountable to the own actions, and if you choose not to educate yourself to prepare yourself for those higher paying opportunities, them flipping burgers and life as a door greeter at Walmart may be all that is in your future. Just don't ask the Federal Givernment to compensate with a higher wage, because you want to give a pity party drama speech over those lost opportunities that you refused to work hard in attaining on your own.


Our country is built upon the Founders vision for the individual "PURSUIT of happiness", not its guarantee by the government.

1) How would that raise wages?
2) Way to vague of an idea. You are short on specifics. You should also know Obama tried to end the tax incentives to create jobs outside of the country.
3) that doesn't do jack shit for people already making shitty wages.
4) I definitely agree with this idea but it's not enough to fix the full extent of the problem.
5) This is typical republican fluff. Many people work their asses off. You way over estimate the moocher agenda in this country. Sure some people are, but it's not some epidemic that you repubs like to believe.

 

[Kosh]

Eliminating the corporate tax rate sounds great but in reality it would drive us much farther into debt. Tax cuts do not pay for themselves unless you raise revenue somewhere else. It also does jack shit to increase consumer demand.

Billy if you are discussing this issue with bossy, good luck. He's a multi millionaire municipal bond trader and he is pissed that he has to pay 39% tax on all his millions.

He could give a fuck less about middle class people or poor people or the country itself.

All his ideas do is benefit him. And that's all he is interested in. Something for nothing.

This from one that built their fortune on exploiting illegal aliens by paying as little as possible.