'Hidden History' That Was Staring You In The Face

[SassyIrishLass]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

 

[Moonglow]

This is the normal kind of dishonesty and method used by the poster. She plants seeds of misinformation that may seem small, but are in fact very significant in shaping her overall thesis. In this case and example, she is attempting to place the causes and blame of the Great Depression on FDR and make it appear that he created it instead of the true fact that he inherited it. It began years before he came into office in 1933 with the stock market crash of 1929 and the forced closure of thousands of banks that could not pay those who had deposited money in those thousands of banks. One-fourth of the population was unemployed when FDR took office, but the OP does not want the reader to recognize that the Great Depression began long before FDR came into the picture. It is easy enough to confirm when the Great Depression began. You don't have to read a lot. Just look it up and see what date is given as the beginning or start of it. Then, look up FDR and notice the date of his first term in office. Four years difference. The Great Depression was in full swing for four years before FDR got the chance to turn it around, which is what he did.

"Henry Morgenthau Jr."
was the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury during the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal.


"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot"

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia.

Morgenthau was wrong about the unemployment numbers. He subscribed to a method of calculating that did not include the millions working and collecting paychecks from New Deal programs. All those workers collecting paychecks for constructing bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, airports, bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure were counted as "on relief" because their paychecks were from government agencies or contracts. The thousands of little brick post offices still being used today all across America were built by "unemployed workers" if Morgenthau's method of calculating is used. The method Morgenthau used only counted those unemployed from private industry. That method meant that if person got a job building the Lincoln Tunnel or the Golden Gate Bridge, a dam in the TVA system or the Blue Ridge Parkway instead of a factory, they were unemployed.

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

Which is the fault of a lack of incentive, like the computer boom that Reagan enjoyed....

 

[Camp]

This is the normal kind of dishonesty and method used by the poster. She plants seeds of misinformation that may seem small, but are in fact very significant in shaping her overall thesis. In this case and example, she is attempting to place the causes and blame of the Great Depression on FDR and make it appear that he created it instead of the true fact that he inherited it. It began years before he came into office in 1933 with the stock market crash of 1929 and the forced closure of thousands of banks that could not pay those who had deposited money in those thousands of banks. One-fourth of the population was unemployed when FDR took office, but the OP does not want the reader to recognize that the Great Depression began long before FDR came into the picture. It is easy enough to confirm when the Great Depression began. You don't have to read a lot. Just look it up and see what date is given as the beginning or start of it. Then, look up FDR and notice the date of his first term in office. Four years difference. The Great Depression was in full swing for four years before FDR got the chance to turn it around, which is what he did.

"Henry Morgenthau Jr."
was the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury during the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal.


"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot"

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia.

Morgenthau was wrong about the unemployment numbers. He subscribed to a method of calculating that did not include the millions working and collecting paychecks from New Deal programs. All those workers collecting paychecks for constructing bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, airports, bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure were counted as "on relief" because their paychecks were from government agencies or contracts. The thousands of little brick post offices still being used today all across America were built by "unemployed workers" if Morgenthau's method of calculating is used. The method Morgenthau used only counted those unemployed from private industry. That method meant that if person got a job building the Lincoln Tunnel or the Golden Gate Bridge, a dam in the TVA system or the Blue Ridge Parkway instead of a factory, they were unemployed.

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

You're going to whine about deflection and then bring up a topic 85 years removed from the OP topic of rewriting the history of FDR?

 

[Moonglow]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

The rest of the world was in a long lasting depression also, were their leaders the fool also....??
The only countries not in a depression though were the communist, fascists and Nazis..They must have not been playing the fool's folly, eh?

 

[NYcarbineer]

2. Then Roosevelt turned a recession into a 'Great Depression.' The causes include:
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This is the normal kind of dishonesty and method used by the poster. She plants seeds of misinformation that may seem small, but are in fact very significant in shaping her overall thesis. In this case and example, she is attempting to place the causes and blame of the Great Depression on FDR and make it appear that he created it instead of the true fact that he inherited it. It began years before he came into office in 1933 with the stock market crash of 1929 and the forced closure of thousands of banks that could not pay those who had deposited money in those thousands of banks. One-fourth of the population was unemployed when FDR took office, but the OP does not want the reader to recognize that the Great Depression began long before FDR came into the picture. It is easy enough to confirm when the Great Depression began. You don't have to read a lot. Just look it up and see what date is given as the beginning or start of it. Then, look up FDR and notice the date of his first term in office. Four years difference. The Great Depression was in full swing for four years before FDR got the chance to turn it around, which is what he did.

"Henry Morgenthau Jr."
was the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury during the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal.


"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot"

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia.

Morgenthau was wrong about the unemployment numbers. He subscribed to a method of calculating that did not include the millions working and collecting paychecks from New Deal programs. All those workers collecting paychecks for constructing bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, airports, bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure were counted as "on relief" because their paychecks were from government agencies or contracts. The thousands of little brick post offices still being used today all across America were built by "unemployed workers" if Morgenthau's method of calculating is used. The method Morgenthau used only counted those unemployed from private industry. That method meant that if person got a job building the Lincoln Tunnel or the Golden Gate Bridge, a dam in the TVA system or the Blue Ridge Parkway instead of a factory, they were unemployed.

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

You'll take the word of a man who helped orchestrate the policies?

lol, dumbass, FDR orchestrated the policies.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Voters hated Hoover and his attempts to solve the Great Depression, yet loved what FDR did....All the threads from Polislick can't change that fact.....

It's quite amusing really. Thread after thread trying to rewrite history. It will never work.

I told you, you are dismissed.

You've served your purpose....and now you've returned to look even dumber????

Where is the re-write of history?

Everything I post is linked, sourced and documented.


What 'facts' have I changed?


Take your time.

Dismissed? What are you some kind of wannabe internet general? lol. Try as you might your propaganda isn't history. You see, in reality sourcing blogs and conspiracy websites isn't facts, it is opinion.

This is reality, easy to understand and a good starting point for children and challenged individuals such as yourself. Take your time if it is hard to understand at first if you have to. No shame in that, some learn at different speeds than others.

Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com

Of course some one as far gone as you is likely a lost cause, sadly.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Does this look like unemployment was the same from when FDR took office until 8 years later?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

The rest of the world was in a long lasting depression also, were their leaders the fool also....??

Any good economics professor will tell you FDR policy only prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved his socialist ass was WWII.

 

[Camp]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

An idea distorted, twisted and totally relying on misinformation.

 

[Grizz]

"Henry Morgenthau Jr."
was the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury during the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal.


"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot"

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia.

Morgenthau was wrong about the unemployment numbers. He subscribed to a method of calculating that did not include the millions working and collecting paychecks from New Deal programs. All those workers collecting paychecks for constructing bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, airports, bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure were counted as "on relief" because their paychecks were from government agencies or contracts. The thousands of little brick post offices still being used today all across America were built by "unemployed workers" if Morgenthau's method of calculating is used. The method Morgenthau used only counted those unemployed from private industry. That method meant that if person got a job building the Lincoln Tunnel or the Golden Gate Bridge, a dam in the TVA system or the Blue Ridge Parkway instead of a factory, they were unemployed.

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Morgenthau was wrong about the unemployment numbers. He subscribed to a method of calculating that did not include the millions working and collecting paychecks from New Deal programs. All those workers collecting paychecks for constructing bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, airports, bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure were counted as "on relief" because their paychecks were from government agencies or contracts. The thousands of little brick post offices still being used today all across America were built by "unemployed workers" if Morgenthau's method of calculating is used. The method Morgenthau used only counted those unemployed from private industry. That method meant that if person got a job building the Lincoln Tunnel or the Golden Gate Bridge, a dam in the TVA system or the Blue Ridge Parkway instead of a factory, they were unemployed.

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

You want to stick to the claim that UE was the same in 1933 as in 1940?

Then dispute this.

or this

 

[Moonglow]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

The rest of the world was in a long lasting depression also, were their leaders the fool also....??

Any good economics professor will tell you FDR policy only prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved his socialist ass was WWII.

And the other govts. in the world that suffered the same fate did it on purpose also?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

An idea distorted, twisted and totally relying on misinformation.

You're in the minority, read FDR's Folly, once you do you'll understand he was as clueless as Obungles is.

 

[Moonglow]

Morgenthau was wrong about the unemployment numbers. He subscribed to a method of calculating that did not include the millions working and collecting paychecks from New Deal programs. All those workers collecting paychecks for constructing bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, airports, bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure were counted as "on relief" because their paychecks were from government agencies or contracts. The thousands of little brick post offices still being used today all across America were built by "unemployed workers" if Morgenthau's method of calculating is used. The method Morgenthau used only counted those unemployed from private industry. That method meant that if person got a job building the Lincoln Tunnel or the Golden Gate Bridge, a dam in the TVA system or the Blue Ridge Parkway instead of a factory, they were unemployed.

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

Laissez faire forms of operations before the crash did not work either....Yet again, it was not a system of pure Laissez faire since Teddy Roosevelt and those that followed did have some regulations on business operations from and earlier period...

 

[SassyIrishLass]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

The rest of the world was in a long lasting depression also, were their leaders the fool also....??

Any good economics professor will tell you FDR policy only prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved his socialist ass was WWII.

And the other govts. in the world that suffered the same fate did it on purpose also?

I'm discussing FDR's failed policy, I realize you're a FDR loving window licker but the man was a failure at economic policy Read FDR's Folly, it spells it out in black and white but it's you so it may be over the little point on the top of our head

 

[Grizz]

"Henry Morgenthau Jr."
was the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury during the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal.


"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot"

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia.

Morgenthau was wrong about the unemployment numbers. He subscribed to a method of calculating that did not include the millions working and collecting paychecks from New Deal programs. All those workers collecting paychecks for constructing bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, airports, bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure were counted as "on relief" because their paychecks were from government agencies or contracts. The thousands of little brick post offices still being used today all across America were built by "unemployed workers" if Morgenthau's method of calculating is used. The method Morgenthau used only counted those unemployed from private industry. That method meant that if person got a job building the Lincoln Tunnel or the Golden Gate Bridge, a dam in the TVA system or the Blue Ridge Parkway instead of a factory, they were unemployed.

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

Which is the fault of a lack of incentive, like the computer boom that Reagan enjoyed....

Yu guys ALWAYS try and move the Goalposts to suit your "facts".
We aren't talking about Reagan...and if we were then using your logic Bill Clinton inherited Reagans boom, see how tat works?
We're talking about FDR and the Great Depression, try and keep up.

 

[Moonglow]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

An idea distorted, twisted and totally relying on misinformation.

You're in the minority, read FDR's Folly, once you do you'll understand he was as clueless as Obungles is.

Hoover seemed clueless to ending the depression, along with Calvin Coolidge....Calvin had farm prices dropping like a rock during his term and did nothing..............

 

[Camp]

Morgenthau was wrong about the unemployment numbers. He subscribed to a method of calculating that did not include the millions working and collecting paychecks from New Deal programs. All those workers collecting paychecks for constructing bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, airports, bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure were counted as "on relief" because their paychecks were from government agencies or contracts. The thousands of little brick post offices still being used today all across America were built by "unemployed workers" if Morgenthau's method of calculating is used. The method Morgenthau used only counted those unemployed from private industry. That method meant that if person got a job building the Lincoln Tunnel or the Golden Gate Bridge, a dam in the TVA system or the Blue Ridge Parkway instead of a factory, they were unemployed.

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

Actually, it is pretty easy to get around what Morgenthau said when you read the quote in the context of the entirety of his comments at the meeting where he made them and the subsequent responses of those in attendance.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

An idea distorted, twisted and totally relying on misinformation.

You're in the minority, read FDR's Folly, once you do you'll understand he was as clueless as Obungles is.

Hoover seemed clueless to ending the depression, along with Calvin Coolidge....Calvin had farm prices dropping like a rock during his term and did nothing..............

Again I am discussing FDR, stop running around flapping your teeny little girly arms and deflecting.

 

[NYcarbineer]

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

Actually, it is pretty easy to get around what Morgenthau said when you read the quote in the context of the entirety of his comments at the meeting where he made them and the subsequent responses of those in attendance.

I just enjoy it when dumbasses like Griz deny irrefutable facts.