Hillary Clinton Won FL, NC, PENN, and WI, according to Exit Polls

[OKTexas]

We got the most votes in the States that counted.

"states that counted" according to who? You mean the current abhorrent misinterpretation of the Constitution? The Founding Fathers never intended for vote totals in the states to override the overall will of the American people, which in 2016 is Hillary Clinton.

Feel free to quote the Article and Section that says anything close to that.

BTW the founders gave the States the right to dissolve the union if they chose to.

The electoral college was meant to be a safety valve to protect from a mad man (like Trump), nothing more. There is nothing in the Constitution that states that the vote totals of the individual states is more meaningful than the total popular vote.

The national popular vote (the equivalent of a fucking unicorn and fairy dust) isn't even mentioned in the Constitution.

And there is also nothing in the Constitution about the vote totals in the individual states deciding the election, either. The electoral college voters from each state are allowed to vote for whoever they please, according to the Constitution. As I stated, the main function of the electoral college was to protect a young democracy from making a huge mistake.

Instead, we are now an old democracy making a disastrous mistake with Trump.

The State legislatures with the exception of two, chose to use the popular vote within the state to chose their electors. One uses proportional the other uses congressional districts. My bold.

Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

AMENDMENT XXIV - Passed by Congress August 27, 1962. Ratified January 23, 1964.

Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.

Section 2.
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


You were saying shit for brains?

 

[easyt65]

The Tiyle is a LIE, the OP is completely False.

Proof?

Trump won.

'Nuff said.

Have a nice day.

 

[Pop23]

It's not evidence of jack. no way to study it, verify it or anything else, which, of course, makes it perfect for a conspiracy theorist, now doesn't it.

Of course I think you know that....

Exit polls certainly can be studied. They've been used before by the United Nations and the State Dept to identify election fraud in the past, like the Ukraine election in 2004.

And they should be studied by the United Nations for this election, because Clinton was robbed.

Go ahead then, construct and validate a study using exit polling data
that proves this election was stolen.

I'll be waiting for that result from any body that wants to make that argument, prove it and see it withstand actual analysis.

I've been posting since two weeks before the election that Clinton needed a 3.9% lead in the national polls to have a 50/50 shot at the EV.

Guess what, she was no where near that. Her defeat was predictable.

But that takes some math skills Dems obviously don't have.

Yep, the polling has been bad for this election cycle. proof only that the polls should not be considered as anything more than informational in a loose sense.

Studies as far back as last December were citing sizeable discrepancies but nobody wanted to listen.

Telephone polls mean absolutely nothing. Never have, never will. Exit polls do matter because they are accurate and they are reliable. This election was stolen from Clinton by fascist Repug election officials who don't believe in democracy.

Even the highly respected 538 says exit poll are not to be trusted.

But you're opinion is to be regarded better then theirs?

Tin foil hat for you!

 

[Yousaidwhat]

the election was rigged, the problem is that the democrats forgot to factor in the EC votes and how they would dilute the millions of extra votes by the illegals. They should have spread those votes to some of the smaller states too instead of trying to make the big run in California.

The EC is genius, it keeps mob rule at bay.

Exactly. The Foubding Fathers were smarter than 99% of today's Americans. They DID NOT want a Democracy, and that is what you would have without the EC.

The definition of a democracy:

Two wolves and a lamb, voting on what's for dinner.

The Founding Fathers made no distinction between a democracy and a republic, goober. Only in your unsophisticated Repug goober mind did the Founding Fathers give some bizarre, all-powerful meaning to the word "republic".

In the minds of the Founding Fathers, "democracy" and "republic" were synonymous.

Your ignorance of US history explains why you believe the stupid shit you believe.

That's right, goober. A racist troll dumb fuck like you, who has probably never read a book during his miserable life, is going to educate me on the fantasy distinction between democracy vs republic according to the Founding Fathers. How fucking laughable.

You've got no facts, no game, and no intellect and we both know it. You just repeat what other idiot Repug fuckholes write on this board because you simply know nothing and are just a total poseur. You camp out on this Repug toxic sewer of a message board and post hate-filled horse shit all day....what a great life you've made for yourself.

Fuck off before I take another giant shit on your unremarkable, unsophisticated stupid fucking ass.

^^^posting hate filled horseshit all day^^^

Claims intellectual superiority.

Another insightful post from Dubyadadumbphuckrepugnantone.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

You realize that the record number of early votes made exit polling nearly worthless.

You get that, right Sunshine?

See, with a record number of voters NOT showing up to the polling place, it is impossible to ask those not present, the questions within the exit poll questionnaire.

Get it?

Or will you supply us with even more evidence that our public schools are failing students such as you?

If that were true, then the exit polls from election day should show Trump doing much better than he did. By most indications, Hillary did much better during the early voting period than Trump did. Therefore, the exit polls should show Trump having a kick-ass day on Nov 8, but they don't show that at all.

Early voting only counts republican and dems that voted, not who they voted for, many many dems voted for Trump, how the hell do you think he flipped dem states.

Trump DID NOT flip any dem states, dumb ass. That's the whole fucking point of this thread.

PA hasn't voted for a republican since 1988, do you really think they're going to disqualify more than 70,000 votes, don't think so, that's a flip. You're a loser, deal with it.

Jill Stein admitted in an interview today that the reason she wants a recount is because HILLARY WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN.

She is paying $3.5 million for a recount because she is a butthurt snowflake who can't accept the results.

How is that even relevant? It doesn't change the fact that you Repugs most likely stole the election.

It's relevant because it shows snowflakws are sore loser butthurt snowflakes who can't accept the results.

You even admitted it just now - 'most likely stole'?! You are desprately holding on to a false narrative supported by no evidence, only butthurt snowflake denial and sadness.

Nope. Hillary won. Repugs stole the election. The exit polls don't lie.

So. Tell us. Who will occupy the White House on January 21st genius?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Should this not be in the Rubber Room?

 

[Papageorgio]

Exit polls certainly can be studied. They've been used before by the United Nations and the State Dept to identify election fraud in the past, like the Ukraine election in 2004.

And they should be studied by the United Nations for this election, because Clinton was robbed.

Go ahead then, construct and validate a study using exit polling data
that proves this election was stolen.

I'll be waiting for that result from any body that wants to make that argument, prove it and see it withstand actual analysis.

I've been posting since two weeks before the election that Clinton needed a 3.9% lead in the national polls to have a 50/50 shot at the EV.

Guess what, she was no where near that. Her defeat was predictable.

But that takes some math skills Dems obviously don't have.

Yep, the polling has been bad for this election cycle. proof only that the polls should not be considered as anything more than informational in a loose sense.

Studies as far back as last December were citing sizeable discrepancies but nobody wanted to listen.

Telephone polls mean absolutely nothing. Never have, never will. Exit polls do matter because they are accurate and they are reliable. This election was stolen from Clinton by fascist Repug election officials who don't believe in democracy.

Even the highly respected 538 says exit poll are not to be trusted.

But you're opinion is to be regarded better then theirs?

Tin foil hat for you!

When babies throw a tantrum, their emotional illogical opinions are better than anyone else's, in their world.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Exit polls don't matter

 

[easyt65]

Exit polls don't matter

Just something for the desperate to cling onto.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

.
And it's why you fuck holes get so pissy and defensive about me reporting the truth about how this election was stolen from Clinton.

Remember when these Snowflakes were bashing Trump because HE thought the election was rigged...and now the flip-floppers are delusionally whining about how the election was stolen...without having any evidence to back it up....

Sure I've got evidence. I kindly posted the exit poll results in post #1, Repug goober lump of shit.

Please let me know if you need me to post it again. More than happy to oblige!

Exit polls do not decide the Presidency.

Repugnant goober lump of shit.

 

[Oldstyle]

Hillary Clinton won Florida, N. Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, according to the exit polls. The story link and polling data are provided below.

I have a very difficult time believing the exit polls were "wrong" by such large amounts in all 4 of these states. Historically, exit polls are extremely reliable, which is why they are used by the United Nations to monitor elections in Third World countries. If the U.S. were a Third World country, the United Nations would be crying foul regarding this election.

I think the more logical explanation for why the exit polls were "wrong" by such a large amount is that Repug election officials stole this election for Trump in these 4 states. It happened to Gore in Florida in 2000 and it also happened to Kerry in Ohio in 2004.

The Repug Party is fascist. The Repug Party is evil. The Repug Party does not believe in democracy. Democracy in this country is in mortal danger.

Hopefully, Jill Stein's recounts discover fraud in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, but it could be extremely difficult to prove.

2016 Exit Polls vs. Actual Results: Here’s What May Have Happened

Florida:

Exit Polls: Clinton 47.7%, Trump 46.4% (Clinton by 1.3%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.8%, Trump 49.0% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 2.5%



North Carolina:

Exit Polls: Clinton 48.6%, Trump 46.5% (Clinton by 2.1%)
Actual Results: Clinton 46.1%, Trump 49.9%) (Trump by 3.8%)

Trump gain: 5.9%



Pennsylvania:

Exit Polls: Clinton 50.5%, Trump 46.1% (Clinton by 4.4%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 48.8% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 5.6%



Wisconsin:

Exit Polls: Clinton 48.2%, Trump 44.3% (Clinton by 3.9%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 48.8% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 5.1%

I think explanation could be in the fact that few presidential contenders were as embarrassing to vote for as Trump.

Over 5% of Americans are not going to lie to the exit pollsters, which is the only way that could be true. Simply ain't happening.

And you base that on what exactly? Your own desire for it to be true?

This was such a contentious race that I know of people on both sides that thought better of putting bumper stickers on their cars because they feared having it vandalized. This election will be studied for years by political scientists trying to figure out why the pollsters got it as wrong as they did. My take on it was that there were a lot of people standing in voting booths choosing someone they didn't want because their choices sucked...choices foisted on them by a main stream media who attempted to play "king makers" with the election process and pollsters who had agendas.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

20+ pages of "because exit polls"

Like watching a PCP tripper chew his own dick off while raging at the sky.


Lovely, lovely stuff. lol.

What can I say....all these pathetic Repugs foam at the mouth when I report the truth about how the 2016 election was stolen from Clinton. And then the Repug comforting circles jerks commence for several pages at a time.

That's a lot of damn circle jerks.

^^^ pivot man in circle jerk^^^

 

[AntonToo]

Hillary Clinton won Florida, N. Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, according to the exit polls. The story link and polling data are provided below.

I have a very difficult time believing the exit polls were "wrong" by such large amounts in all 4 of these states. Historically, exit polls are extremely reliable, which is why they are used by the United Nations to monitor elections in Third World countries. If the U.S. were a Third World country, the United Nations would be crying foul regarding this election.

I think the more logical explanation for why the exit polls were "wrong" by such a large amount is that Repug election officials stole this election for Trump in these 4 states. It happened to Gore in Florida in 2000 and it also happened to Kerry in Ohio in 2004.

The Repug Party is fascist. The Repug Party is evil. The Repug Party does not believe in democracy. Democracy in this country is in mortal danger.

Hopefully, Jill Stein's recounts discover fraud in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, but it could be extremely difficult to prove.

2016 Exit Polls vs. Actual Results: Here’s What May Have Happened

Florida:

Exit Polls: Clinton 47.7%, Trump 46.4% (Clinton by 1.3%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.8%, Trump 49.0% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 2.5%



North Carolina:

Exit Polls: Clinton 48.6%, Trump 46.5% (Clinton by 2.1%)
Actual Results: Clinton 46.1%, Trump 49.9%) (Trump by 3.8%)

Trump gain: 5.9%



Pennsylvania:

Exit Polls: Clinton 50.5%, Trump 46.1% (Clinton by 4.4%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 48.8% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 5.6%



Wisconsin:

Exit Polls: Clinton 48.2%, Trump 44.3% (Clinton by 3.9%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 48.8% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 5.1%

I think explanation could be in the fact that few presidential contenders were as embarrassing to vote for as Trump.

Over 5% of Americans are not going to lie to the exit pollsters, which is the only way that could be true. Simply ain't happening.

Lie? I'm not saying they lied, they simply would refuse to participate in the poll.

 

[PredFan]

the election was rigged, the problem is that the democrats forgot to factor in the EC votes and how they would dilute the millions of extra votes by the illegals. They should have spread those votes to some of the smaller states too instead of trying to make the big run in California.

The EC is genius, it keeps mob rule at bay.

Exactly. The Foubding Fathers were smarter than 99% of today's Americans. They DID NOT want a Democracy, and that is what you would have without the EC.

The definition of a democracy:

Two wolves and a lamb, voting on what's for dinner.

The Founding Fathers made no distinction between a democracy and a republic, goober. Only in your unsophisticated Repug goober mind did the Founding Fathers give some bizarre, all-powerful meaning to the word "republic".

In the minds of the Founding Fathers, "democracy" and "republic" were synonymous.

Your ignorance of US history explains why you believe the stupid shit you believe.

That's right, goober. A racist troll dumb fuck like you, who has probably never read a book during his miserable life, is going to educate me on the fantasy distinction between democracy vs republic according to the Founding Fathers. How fucking laughable.

You've got no facts, no game, and no intellect and we both know it. You just repeat what other idiot Repug fuckholes write on this board because you simply know nothing and are just a total poseur. You camp out on this Repug toxic sewer of a message board and post hate-filled horse shit all day....what a great life you've made for yourself.

Fuck off before I take another giant shit on your unremarkable, unsophisticated stupid fucking ass.

You are a whole lot more knowledgable in expressing anger than you are of history, that is obvious.

 

[PredFan]

The EC is genius, it keeps mob rule at bay.

Exactly. The Foubding Fathers were smarter than 99% of today's Americans. They DID NOT want a Democracy, and that is what you would have without the EC.

The definition of a democracy:

Two wolves and a lamb, voting on what's for dinner.

The Founding Fathers made no distinction between a democracy and a republic, goober. Only in your unsophisticated Repug goober mind did the Founding Fathers give some bizarre, all-powerful meaning to the word "republic".

In the minds of the Founding Fathers, "democracy" and "republic" were synonymous.

Your ignorance of US history explains why you believe the stupid shit you believe.

That's right, goober. A racist troll dumb fuck like you, who has probably never read a book during his miserable life, is going to educate me on the fantasy distinction between democracy vs republic according to the Founding Fathers. How fucking laughable.

You've got no facts, no game, and no intellect and we both know it. You just repeat what other idiot Repug fuckholes write on this board because you simply know nothing and are just a total poseur. You camp out on this Repug toxic sewer of a message board and post hate-filled horse shit all day....what a great life you've made for yourself.

Fuck off before I take another giant shit on your unremarkable, unsophisticated stupid fucking ass.

^^^posting hate filled horseshit all day^^^

Claims intellectual superiority.

Another insightful post from Dubyadadumbphuckrepugnantone.

What do you expect from a moron who's screen name is an epic fail?

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

"states that counted" according to who? You mean the current abhorrent misinterpretation of the Constitution? The Founding Fathers never intended for vote totals in the states to override the overall will of the American people, which in 2016 is Hillary Clinton.

Feel free to quote the Article and Section that says anything close to that.

BTW the founders gave the States the right to dissolve the union if they chose to.

The electoral college was meant to be a safety valve to protect from a mad man (like Trump), nothing more. There is nothing in the Constitution that states that the vote totals of the individual states is more meaningful than the total popular vote.

The national popular vote (the equivalent of a fucking unicorn and fairy dust) isn't even mentioned in the Constitution.

And there is also nothing in the Constitution about the vote totals in the individual states deciding the election, either. The electoral college voters from each state are allowed to vote for whoever they please, according to the Constitution. As I stated, the main function of the electoral college was to protect a young democracy from making a huge mistake.

Instead, we are now an old democracy making a disastrous mistake with Trump.

The State legislatures with the exception of two, chose to use the popular vote within the state to chose their electors. One uses proportional the other uses congressional districts. My bold.

Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

AMENDMENT XXIV - Passed by Congress August 27, 1962. Ratified January 23, 1964.

Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.

Section 2.
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


You were saying shit for brains?

And where does it say ANYWHERE that the vote totals in each state will be used to determine the winner? This is not in the Constitution and it was never intended to be.

The Founding Fathers intended for the electoral college voters from each state to vote for the most qualified candidate and/or to protect the country from a crazy person such as Trump. That is a fucking fact. Since Clinton has a 2.5 million vote lead and she is not mentally ill like Trump, the electoral college should choose Clinton.

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

Exit polls certainly can be studied. They've been used before by the United Nations and the State Dept to identify election fraud in the past, like the Ukraine election in 2004.

And they should be studied by the United Nations for this election, because Clinton was robbed.

Go ahead then, construct and validate a study using exit polling data
that proves this election was stolen.

I'll be waiting for that result from any body that wants to make that argument, prove it and see it withstand actual analysis.

I've been posting since two weeks before the election that Clinton needed a 3.9% lead in the national polls to have a 50/50 shot at the EV.

Guess what, she was no where near that. Her defeat was predictable.

But that takes some math skills Dems obviously don't have.

Yep, the polling has been bad for this election cycle. proof only that the polls should not be considered as anything more than informational in a loose sense.

Studies as far back as last December were citing sizeable discrepancies but nobody wanted to listen.

Telephone polls mean absolutely nothing. Never have, never will. Exit polls do matter because they are accurate and they are reliable. This election was stolen from Clinton by fascist Repug election officials who don't believe in democracy.

Even the highly respected 538 says exit poll are not to be trusted.

But you're opinion is to be regarded better then theirs?

Tin foil hat for you!

Nate Silver from 538 is simply wrong. He is not a statistician nor an exit poll expert like MIT professor Steve Freeman, who came to the conclusion that Kerry did in fact win the 2004 election.

The media is never going to come out and state that an election was stolen. If they do that, then they're admitting that democracy is a total sham and this country is fucked. Rolling Stone was the only major media publication that had the balls to report the truth that Kerry won the 2004 election.

The media will gently rock the boat from time to time, but they will never state that the ship is sinking. However, the ship has indeed sunk.

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

Hillary Clinton won Florida, N. Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, according to the exit polls. The story link and polling data are provided below.

I have a very difficult time believing the exit polls were "wrong" by such large amounts in all 4 of these states. Historically, exit polls are extremely reliable, which is why they are used by the United Nations to monitor elections in Third World countries. If the U.S. were a Third World country, the United Nations would be crying foul regarding this election.

I think the more logical explanation for why the exit polls were "wrong" by such a large amount is that Repug election officials stole this election for Trump in these 4 states. It happened to Gore in Florida in 2000 and it also happened to Kerry in Ohio in 2004.

The Repug Party is fascist. The Repug Party is evil. The Repug Party does not believe in democracy. Democracy in this country is in mortal danger.

Hopefully, Jill Stein's recounts discover fraud in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, but it could be extremely difficult to prove.

2016 Exit Polls vs. Actual Results: Here’s What May Have Happened

Florida:

Exit Polls: Clinton 47.7%, Trump 46.4% (Clinton by 1.3%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.8%, Trump 49.0% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 2.5%



North Carolina:

Exit Polls: Clinton 48.6%, Trump 46.5% (Clinton by 2.1%)
Actual Results: Clinton 46.1%, Trump 49.9%) (Trump by 3.8%)

Trump gain: 5.9%



Pennsylvania:

Exit Polls: Clinton 50.5%, Trump 46.1% (Clinton by 4.4%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 48.8% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 5.6%



Wisconsin:

Exit Polls: Clinton 48.2%, Trump 44.3% (Clinton by 3.9%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 48.8% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 5.1%

I think explanation could be in the fact that few presidential contenders were as embarrassing to vote for as Trump.

Over 5% of Americans are not going to lie to the exit pollsters, which is the only way that could be true. Simply ain't happening.

And you base that on what exactly? Your own desire for it to be true?

This was such a contentious race that I know of people on both sides that thought better of putting bumper stickers on their cars because they feared having it vandalized. This election will be studied for years by political scientists trying to figure out why the pollsters got it as wrong as they did. My take on it was that there were a lot of people standing in voting booths choosing someone they didn't want because their choices sucked...choices foisted on them by a main stream media who attempted to play "king makers" with the election process and pollsters who had agendas.

No, the simple fact is you can't prove that mass amounts of Trump supporters lied at the exit polls, goober.

You simply got nothing. You Repug fuck holes love to make shit up, but the exit polls do not lie.

 

[Oldstyle]

Feel free to quote the Article and Section that says anything close to that.

BTW the founders gave the States the right to dissolve the union if they chose to.

The electoral college was meant to be a safety valve to protect from a mad man (like Trump), nothing more. There is nothing in the Constitution that states that the vote totals of the individual states is more meaningful than the total popular vote.

The national popular vote (the equivalent of a fucking unicorn and fairy dust) isn't even mentioned in the Constitution.

And there is also nothing in the Constitution about the vote totals in the individual states deciding the election, either. The electoral college voters from each state are allowed to vote for whoever they please, according to the Constitution. As I stated, the main function of the electoral college was to protect a young democracy from making a huge mistake.

Instead, we are now an old democracy making a disastrous mistake with Trump.

The State legislatures with the exception of two, chose to use the popular vote within the state to chose their electors. One uses proportional the other uses congressional districts. My bold.

Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

AMENDMENT XXIV - Passed by Congress August 27, 1962. Ratified January 23, 1964.

Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.

Section 2.
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


You were saying shit for brains?

And where does it say ANYWHERE that the vote totals in each state will be used to determine the winner? This is not in the Constitution and it was never intended to be.

The Founding Fathers intended for the electoral college voters from each state to vote for the most qualified candidate and/or to protect the country from a crazy person such as Trump. That is a fucking fact. Since Clinton has a 2.5 million vote lead and she is not mentally ill like Trump, the electoral college should choose Clinton.

The Electoral College was not adopted to protect the country from a crazy person, you buffoon! It was adopted because individual States were fearful of an all powerful central government or too much power being concentrated in larger States like Virginia. The Electoral College was a compromise to placate smaller States who didn't want to join the United States if they would have lost control of their own governance. It was a system put into place when people in one part of the country really didn't know about people in other parts of the country giving rise to fears that a popular vote system would lead to "favorite sons" in each State being voted for with no leader emerging with a majority of the votes and a mandate to lead. The "electors" were supposed to be knowledgeable about other candidates from other areas and in it's earliest form had to cast a vote for two separate people for President, both of which counted. This again was to prevent the election of "favorite sons" of one area who was unknown in other areas.

 

[Oldstyle]

Hillary Clinton won Florida, N. Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, according to the exit polls. The story link and polling data are provided below.

I have a very difficult time believing the exit polls were "wrong" by such large amounts in all 4 of these states. Historically, exit polls are extremely reliable, which is why they are used by the United Nations to monitor elections in Third World countries. If the U.S. were a Third World country, the United Nations would be crying foul regarding this election.

I think the more logical explanation for why the exit polls were "wrong" by such a large amount is that Repug election officials stole this election for Trump in these 4 states. It happened to Gore in Florida in 2000 and it also happened to Kerry in Ohio in 2004.

The Repug Party is fascist. The Repug Party is evil. The Repug Party does not believe in democracy. Democracy in this country is in mortal danger.

Hopefully, Jill Stein's recounts discover fraud in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, but it could be extremely difficult to prove.

2016 Exit Polls vs. Actual Results: Here’s What May Have Happened

Florida:

Exit Polls: Clinton 47.7%, Trump 46.4% (Clinton by 1.3%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.8%, Trump 49.0% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 2.5%



North Carolina:

Exit Polls: Clinton 48.6%, Trump 46.5% (Clinton by 2.1%)
Actual Results: Clinton 46.1%, Trump 49.9%) (Trump by 3.8%)

Trump gain: 5.9%



Pennsylvania:

Exit Polls: Clinton 50.5%, Trump 46.1% (Clinton by 4.4%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 48.8% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 5.6%



Wisconsin:

Exit Polls: Clinton 48.2%, Trump 44.3% (Clinton by 3.9%)
Actual Results: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 48.8% (Trump by 1.2%)

Trump gain: 5.1%

I think explanation could be in the fact that few presidential contenders were as embarrassing to vote for as Trump.

Over 5% of Americans are not going to lie to the exit pollsters, which is the only way that could be true. Simply ain't happening.

And you base that on what exactly? Your own desire for it to be true?

This was such a contentious race that I know of people on both sides that thought better of putting bumper stickers on their cars because they feared having it vandalized. This election will be studied for years by political scientists trying to figure out why the pollsters got it as wrong as they did. My take on it was that there were a lot of people standing in voting booths choosing someone they didn't want because their choices sucked...choices foisted on them by a main stream media who attempted to play "king makers" with the election process and pollsters who had agendas.

No, the simple fact is you can't prove that mass amounts of Trump supporters lied at the exit polls, goober.

You simply got nothing. You Repug fuck holes love to make shit up, but the exit polls do not lie.

Quite obviously, exit polls are not as accurate as you seem to think! The polls in general in this election were wrong both on the Democratic and Republican side all through this election cycle. Why do you think the exit polls should have been any different?