Zone1 Hitler and his Nazis have been vindicated. America adopts their policies

[Sixties Fan]

You only think that way because you refuse to accept that these are human beings you are murdering

I.....am murdering? That is sick. Totally sick. And defamatory.

You prefer the woman dies while not being able to carry a pregnancy only because some people in power and in government have now decided that a any girl or woman, from 10 years old on, MUST carry a child to term, regardless of their doctors saying that the child will not survive or the woman and child will not survive.


Give a darn about all of these women. It is their bodies and their lives, NOT YOURS. !!!!!

And THAT is fascism, which is what HItler was doing. Deciding for others what was none of his business. And it is not yours either.

WOMEN's lives are at risk. Give a damn about them. Be PRO LIFE. Their lives.
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Zurawski, four other women and two doctors filed a lawsuit in state court last month against Texas, seeking to clarify the medical emergency exceptions under the state’s six week abortion ban. Zurawski, who lives in Austin, was diagnosed with an “incompetent cervix,” according to the suit, and was told her baby would not survive. The condition occurs when the cervix ruptures prematurely and is a common cause of late miscarriages.

Since her baby still had a heartbeat, Zurawski was told there was no other care the hospital could provide.

She eventually went septic, and the hospital finally agreed that she was ill enough to induce labor. She delivered her child, who passed away.

“I wasn’t permitted to have an abortion and the trauma and the PTSD and the depression that I have dealt with in the eight months since this happened to me is paralyzing,” Zurawski said at a Senate hearing about a ruling from a federal judge in Texas that attempted to block to sale of a popular abortion pill, mifepristone. “On top of that, I am still struggling to have children.”

Zurawski took aim at Cruz and Cornyn, arguing the senators supported the policy that kept her from receiving an abortion.

“I wanted to address my senators, Cruz and Cornyn, neither of whom, regrettably, are in the room right now. I would like for them to know that what happened to me… it’s a direct result of the policies that they support,” Zurawski said. “I nearly died on their watch… as a result of what happened to me, I may have been robbed of the opportunity to have children in the future.”

Both Cruz and Cornyn sit on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which held the hearing on Wednesday morning. The senators attended the hearing but were not in the room when Zurawski addressed them.

Woman suing Texas for abortion ban calls out Sens. Cruz, Cornyn: ‘I nearly died on their watch’

Amanda Zurawski, one of five women suing Texas for denying them an abortion while facing pregnancy complications, offered a scorching rebuke of Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn (R-Texas) at a Senate …

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[hobelim]

"This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" And many left. Yet Jesus did not change or reword what he said from the beginning.

Exactly. They couldn't stomach what he said, the meaning was hidden from them, but if you read on my dear you will see Jesus explain the metaphor "Eat my flesh" to the remaining disciples;

"The spirit alone gives life; the flesh is of no avail (worthless). The words that I have spoken to you are both spirit and life." (John 6:63) And then when Jesus asked if they were going to leave him too after this explanation Simon Peter replied, " Lord to whom shall we go? Your words are words of eternal life. We have faith and know that you are the Holy One of God." John 6:68

This shows that the command to "eat my flesh" means to accept my words, teaching from God.

The Word of God, became the flesh of Jesus, a new metaphor for Divine instruction, manna from heaven. This bread, a new divine revelation, came down from heaven and became flesh of Jesus.

This is irrefutable. If you don't believe me you can look it up.

 

[hobelim]

What business do I have to speak of what those of other faiths believe about God, where it differs from what I believe?

You said that I made up lies about your beliefs and so I gave you an opportunity to clear it up. You chose not to. That suggests that you do believe that God became a man. Where is your faith?

This message board is designed as a safe place for people to share, question, challenge, or confront others beliefs about God and religion. If you don't feel its any of your business, go away.

You are just a coward.

 

[Meriweather]

you can look it up.

No need. I read it constantly. And more. As I said, I understand what you get from it, and I understand everything I get from it.

How I see it: To make your case, you have to dig up things Jesus never said, while I look at everything he did say. Jesus' words/intent harm no one. Your intent and words as I said before, give a piece of bread more power than God. That is why I reject them and stick with everything Jesus said.

 

[hobelim]

How you explain it, is something you teach, and undoubtedly Jews approve,

Hmmm. Undoubtedly?

Didn't Jesus say that they would be convinced that Jesus was right when he who is the Spirit of truth came? Your church's teaching has only convinced the Jewish people that Jesus was insane.

See? I am a believer in the life giving power of the Paraclete. The proof is in the pudding.

And, if you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

 

[hobelim]

That is why I reject them and stick with everything Jesus said.

Everything that I have made known to you I have drawn from what Jesus taught.

"How can you fail to see that I was not speaking about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees." Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees."

The metaphor was established by Jesus long before the last supper. Some believer you are.....

You cannot reject my words and stick with everything Jesus said because they are perfectly one.

 

[Cougarbear]

Sure, and if right wing christian republicans have their way women would have no rights, many children will grow up in poverty, be denied an education, be subjected to emotional, physical, and sexual abuse in 'reform school', only to do desperate things and end up in private prisons owned by nefarious political donors, where many will get the death penalty or, if they are lucky, will be given the chance to join the military only to die in a war over oil or poppies.

Law and order! Mandatory minimum sentences! No mercy for criminals! Jesus is coming!

Awesome!

You actually were stating what left wing atheist secularists are. Just think, women who compete in sports now have to bow down to men who couldn't make it in men's sports. Men, dressed up as women are taking the spots women can portray in commercials and other jobs as well. Taking away the gender diversity in business and athletics. Now, our leftist President Himmler Biden wants to fulfill men's destiny to dominate women by changing Title 9 which protected women and gave them equal opportunity in sports.
Capitalism has taken more people out of poverty than any other economical system around the world. Blacks that enter the capitalist system and businesses thrive. Socialism always pulls people downward into poverty. Just look at the socialist Biden and gang trying to make it impossible for people to commute to work in cars by forcing people to buy cars out of their income reach, electric cars. Without cars, the poor people won't be able to get to work. Trucks, planes, trains won't be able to get food to everyone quickly causing people to starve and get sick on spoiled foods. Great for population control that the left demands. Kill white people! Then, there are the leftists who allow killers and other violent persons out of jail with no bail to kill and hurt people. Join that with the leftist movement to allow killer drugs into the U.S. by illegal immigration at our southern boarder to kill our youth.

 

[Clyde 154]

Everything that I have made known to you I have drawn from what Jesus taught.

"How can you fail to see that I was not speaking about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees." Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees."

The metaphor was established by Jesus long before the last supper. Some believer you are.....

You cannot reject my words and stick with everything Jesus said because they are perfectly one.

Jesus details exactly why He was teaching the laity...i.e, the common Jew to beware of the teachings of the Pharisees and Sadducees. They were supposed experts in the law of Moses..........but were guilty of placing Jewish Traditions above the actual content of the Law, therefore making the Law of non-effect. He called them vipers and hypocrites not because they taught Jewish Law but because their practice was making void the actual law by their man made traditions. Traditions that ended in the death of many prophets that were sent by God before Jesus. (Matthew 23) Jesus details in prophecy that this very generation of Pharisees and Sadducees would be punished.....soon. Rome destroyed Jersualem in or around 70 A.D.

Jesus was anything except a Revolutionary (He was the quint essential Conservative)..........He was born a Jew, born of a woman, born under the law......lived and died as a practicing JEW, tempted in all ways as is any man that came before Him, but sinned not. (Gal. 4:4, 4:15)

In fact He practiced the Law of Moses to the point of being the only man in history to follow the LAW to perfection without sin. Jesus in fact was practicing Jewish law at the supposed Last Supper....this is a well known Jewish sabbath (holiday).........The first day of the Passover or the festival of the unleavened bread. The Law of Moses ended, was fulfilled when Jesus took His last human breath and declared, "It is finished......" (John 19:30)

Jesus stated that He did come to destroy the law of Jews.....but to Fulfill it, not one iota, title or dot would pass from the law until it was fulfilled (Matthew 5:17) Being without sin............Only Jesus could fulfilll the requirements of the law....TO THE LETTER, which was required for salvation, He who was without sin took upon Himself the sins of the entire world......to provide salvation not just for the Jew but for the entire world (John 1:29, 1 Peter 2:24) Jesus commanded His disciples to, ".............teach all nations" -- Matthew 28:18-19

The old Law, since it was for Biblical Israel only......did not include any Gentile or Gentile nation (Deut. 4, 5). It was a Shadow of the New Law to come that would be written on the heart instead of on stone like the Law of Moses (Jer. 31:31-34, Col. 2:16-17)

The old law was a problem, not because it was not righteous and fair......but because man used his gift of free will to sin continually, The Jews were guilty of BREAKING THE LAW (Jer. 31:32), therefore there was no remedy for sin until the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (God had this plan to save mankind before the worlds were formed or time itself began, through His Son Jesus Christ (1 Peter 1:20, 2 Tim. 1:9).........who became the perfect sacrificial lamb of God. The Law bound man to his acts of sin (Gal. 3:21-22)........as a result the Law would lead the entire world to Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:23-25). The Law was a shadow of better things, as the law could not remove sin, thus it was carried forward from year to year in burnt sacrificial rituals (Heb. 10:1)

 

[alang1216]

It is Catholic theology, so I am guessing it is accepted by half of all Christians.

Is it? I thought there were sacraments Catholics had to do to get themselves right with God. Wasn't that the one of the big reformation issues?

 

[Meriweather]

Is it? I thought there were sacraments Catholics had to do to get themselves right with God. Wasn't that the one of the big reformation issues?

Remember, for about a thousand years, the Catholic faith was the Christian faith. Apostolic tradition is that Christ bridged the schism between God and all of us. That is known as redemption. It might be described that redemption is God reaching out to mankind. Salvation is mankind's way of reaching back to God.

Apostolic Tradition is to follow the Way of Christ. This way is baptism, or a promise to repent of our sins for the forgiveness of sins. And if we sin after baptism? Reconciliation is within our reach, and we constantly are able to hear that our sins are forgiven. The Church assures and insures we will hear this. Next, we have the Eucharist, a remembrance of the Last Supper, where we are in Christ and Christ is in us. The Holy Spirit is upon us. All of these practices of the early Church became known as Sacraments, the Way of Salvation where we are reaching back to God.

The Protestant Reformation was about many things, not least that which were political. But the upshot was a simplified form for Christianity (in some denominations referred to as "Catholic Lite"). Basically, they through out most of the Sacraments or changed them. Accepting Jesus (baptism) was all that was needed, because once saved always saved. It was decided no one needed to hear "Sins are forgiven", because everyone knew it. The Last Supper became just a remembrance of Jesus.

Protestantism is the bones of what Christ taught. Perhaps it can be compared with doing away with Jewish Laws of Kosher eating. The frills of Kosher eating (in obedience to God) was no longer practiced, and Protestants believed Catholic hierarchy had added too many frills.

Why do Catholics still practice Sacraments, then? Because we see it as walking in the steps of Jesus' life, following him. In Jesus' time many people heard of him, probably thought he was an okay guy--and went about their lives as usual. I see Catholics as disciples who took time to actually follow Jesus where he went, and Protestants nodding and going on with their lives. I remember what Jesus said, "Those who are healthy have no need of a physician." He came for those who needed special help. Perhaps it is we Catholics who need the extra boost from Jesus today and Protestants are healthy enough. Shrug. Just something I think of every so often.

 

[Clyde 154]

Remember, for about a thousand years, the Catholic faith was the Christian faith. Apostolic tradition is that Christ bridged the schism between God and all of us. That is known as redemption. It might be described that redemption is God reaching out to mankind. Salvation is mankind's way of reaching back to God.

Apostolic Tradition is to follow the Way of Christ. This way is baptism, or a promise to repent of our sins for the forgiveness of sins. And if we sin after baptism? Reconciliation is within our reach, and we constantly are able to hear that our sins are forgiven. The Church assures and insures we will hear this. Next, we have the Eucharist, a remembrance of the Last Supper, where we are in Christ and Christ is in us. The Holy Spirit is upon us. All of these practices of the early Church became known as Sacraments, the Way of Salvation where we are reaching back to God.

The Protestant Reformation was about many things, not least that which were political. But the upshot was a simplified form for Christianity (in some denominations referred to as "Catholic Lite"). Basically, they through out most of the Sacraments or changed them. Accepting Jesus (baptism) was all that was needed, because once saved always saved. It was decided no one needed to hear "Sins are forgiven", because everyone knew it. The Last Supper became just a remembrance of Jesus.

Protestantism is the bones of what Christ taught. Perhaps it can be compared with doing away with Jewish Laws of Kosher eating. The frills of Kosher eating (in obedience to God) was no longer practiced, and Protestants believed Catholic hierarchy had added too many frills.

Why do Catholics still practice Sacraments, then? Because we see it as walking in the steps of Jesus' life, following him. In Jesus' time many people heard of him, probably thought he was an okay guy--and went about their lives as usual. I see Catholics as disciples who took time to actually follow Jesus where he went, and Protestants nodding and going on with their lives. I remember what Jesus said, "Those who are healthy have no need of a physician." He came for those who needed special help. Perhaps it is we Catholics who need the extra boost from Jesus today and Protestants are healthy enough. Shrug. Just something I think of every so often.

Your first false premise is suggesting that the Holy Scriptures teach "once saved always save"......Paul the Apostle, apostle to the Gentile nations, directly contradicts this false premise, when He makes known that salvation comes after the race is run to its completion (death), even He feared falling from grace, and declared it was a daily struggle to run the race in an acceptable method. -- 1 Cor. 9:24-27 Simply because some people mistranslated scripture and declare once saved always saved does not indicate that if you search the scriptures.........that doctrine is found in the Holy Bible. Hitler claimed to be Christian.....that does not confirm the scriptures, as teaching falsehoods.......but confirms that Hitler was teaching false doctrine as truth.

The problem with such a "false premise" concerning why the supposed "universal church" was rejected? The RCC was rejected because it was FORCED UPON the laity (the common man) even under threat of being called a heretic......which involved torture or execution.....if anyone disagreed with the Church dictates coming from the clergy......which included events such as the Spanish Inquisitions and the Crusades (military invasion), both of which cannot possibly be authorized by anything found in the actual content of the Holy Scriptures.

Then came the invention of the printing press which allowed wide distribution in ENGLISH of the Holy Bible....with the King James Translation. The laity realized that a great many of the RCC church traditions did not actually exist in the Word of God.....and the laity "PROTESTED" greatly, thus creating the PRO.........TEST....ANT movement away from Tradition in order to focus entirely upon the actual content of the Holy Bible.

The western civilization was controlled by the Vatican and the RCC.....the government forced the church doctrine and its man made tradition upon the common people. Only the Clergy was allowed to read from the Holy Scripture in the dead language of LATIN (which originated in Rome....its the ancestral language of the modern Italian tongue) Would God actually limit the priesthood to be based upon national heritage, race, etc.,? Of course not.......God made from 1 Blood all the nations on earth (Acts 17:26).........God has no respect of person (Romans 2:11)

Jesus describes what He thinks about placing man made traditions above the actual content of the Law (Matthew 23). Jesus could have been speaking directly to the supposed Universal Church in place of the Jewish leadership of His time period.......the things He accused the Pharisees mirror the teachings and traditions of the modern Roman Catholic Church, from wearing special clothing in separating the clergy from the laity, denying sexual release through the covenant of marriage to its clergy a practice that drives many normal young men to commit horrifying sexual acts of perversion upon children..........the church clergy takes pride in their man made appointed offices, and makes a show of church services and public prayers, praying in public in a dead language. Would God authorize such private interpretations? Not according to Peter the supposed first POPE......he declared that private interpretation of prophecy and scripture is forbidden (2 Peter 1:20).

The actual content of the Holy Bible teaches that every Christian.........laity and clergy are equal, everyone is considered a member of a "royal priesthood" with Jesus Christ as our high priest (1 Peter 2:9, Heb.6:20). A Christian does not require a middle man to pray for forgiveness of sin, any Christian can approach the throne through our high preiest who acts as our advocate in heaven, standing between sin and heaven.........Jesus Christ is our sole adovcate (1 John 2:1), no POPE or priest required.

While the RCC continues the Jewish practice of separating the Clergy from the Laity in pretense that the RCC somehow equates to the order of the Jewish Levite tribe in being the only caretaker of the word of God. In fact Rome has stolen many of their traditions from Jewish tradition and even from some pagan practices involving the seasonal solstices........EASTER (never an authorized Sabbath under Christian Law........the Perfect Law of liberty (James 1:25).......the same for the supposed birthday of the Christ.........which began as an RCC mass...........its never mentioned or authorized in the Holy Bible. The orthodox RCC organization (Jesutis) itself is mirrored, not from the Bible, but from the Roman military structure.

 

[nomadic5]

Your first false premise is suggesting that the Holy Scriptures teach "once saved always save"......Paul the Apostle, apostle to the Gentile nations, directly contradicts this false premise,

Meriweather is Catholic and as such, knows that the Catholic Church (the real one, not theVatican sect) does not teach once saved always saved

 

[nomadic5]

Give a darn about all of these women. It is their bodies and their lives, NOT YOURS. !!!!!




me (nomadic5):

You may be many things but a biology expert is not one of them. The baby has his/her own chromosomal makeup, totally unique... the child depends on but is not part of the woman's body (hey, just like when the child is born!).

If a woman doesn't want a child, there are ways to avoid having one... b4 she has one. If she tries to "not have one" after she already has one, that is called MURDER

 

[Billo_Really]

Hitler and his Nazis have been vindicated. America adopts their policies
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Think about it

Children in the womb have been de-humanized just as the Nazis de-humanized the Jews (and others killed in the concentration camps)

Today, children who survive the assault on the womb are also killed (assuming they were truly a candidate for abortion [gestational age]), if the leftists have their way.

Then there is doctor assisted suicide, which, like everything else, became corrupted by human sinfulness and has morphed into murder by the state (but you wanted it, you know you did...)

Nazi policies have been adopted, but they've been embraced by right wing Republicans.

 

[nomadic5]

Nazi policies have been adopted, but they've been embraced by right wing Republicans.

The R party does not murder helpless children or anyone else

please

 

[Billo_Really]

The R party does not murder helpless children or anyone else

please

What about all the children that die by gun violence and the Republican Party is unwilling to do anything about it?

 

[Ralph Norton]

Nazi policies have been adopted, but they've been embraced by right wing Republicans.

Which policies are those, Billo?
Please be specific.

 

[Billo_Really]

Which policies are those, Billo?
Please be specific.

Authoritarianism.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus details exactly why He was teaching the laity...i.e, the common Jew to beware of the teachings of the Pharisees and Sadducees. They were supposed experts in the law of Moses..........but were guilty of placing Jewish Traditions above the actual content of the Law, therefore making the Law of non-effect. He called them vipers and hypocrites not because they taught Jewish Law but because their practice was making void the actual law by their man made traditions. Traditions that ended in the death of many prophets that were sent by God before Jesus. (Matthew 23) Jesus details in prophecy that this very generation of Pharisees and Sadducees would be punished.....soon. Rome destroyed Jersualem in or around 70 A.D.

Jesus was anything except a Revolutionary (He was the quint essential Conservative)..........He was born a Jew, born of a woman, born under the law......lived and died as a practicing JEW, tempted in all ways as is any man that came before Him, but sinned not. (Gal. 4:4, 4:15)

In fact He practiced the Law of Moses to the point of being the only man in history to follow the LAW to perfection without sin. Jesus in fact was practicing Jewish law at the supposed Last Supper....this is a well known Jewish sabbath (holiday).........The first day of the Passover or the festival of the unleavened bread. The Law of Moses ended, was fulfilled when Jesus took His last human breath and declared, "It is finished......" (John 19:30)

Jesus stated that He did come to destroy the law of Jews.....but to Fulfill it, not one iota, title or dot would pass from the law until it was fulfilled (Matthew 5:17) Being without sin............Only Jesus could fulfilll the requirements of the law....TO THE LETTER, which was required for salvation, He who was without sin took upon Himself the sins of the entire world......to provide salvation not just for the Jew but for the entire world (John 1:29, 1 Peter 2:24) Jesus commanded His disciples to, ".............teach all nations" -- Matthew 28:18-19

The old Law, since it was for Biblical Israel only......did not include any Gentile or Gentile nation (Deut. 4, 5). It was a Shadow of the New Law to come that would be written on the heart instead of on stone like the Law of Moses (Jer. 31:31-34, Col. 2:16-17)

The old law was a problem, not because it was not righteous and fair......but because man used his gift of free will to sin continually, The Jews were guilty of BREAKING THE LAW (Jer. 31:32), therefore there was no remedy for sin until the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (God had this plan to save mankind before the worlds were formed or time itself began, through His Son Jesus Christ (1 Peter 1:20, 2 Tim. 1:9).........who became the perfect sacrificial lamb of God. The Law bound man to his acts of sin (Gal. 3:21-22)........as a result the Law would lead the entire world to Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:23-25). The Law was a shadow of better things, as the law could not remove sin, thus it was carried forward from year to year in burnt sacrificial rituals (Heb. 10:1)

I agree with some of the things you said but I have to point out that there is no old law for Jewish people and there is no new law for everyone else. From the beginning the law was given as "a light to the nations" which means that from the beginning the law was intended as instruction for everyone of every nation. Thats why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel. Rather they put it on the lamp stand so that everyone in the room can see." He said this because at the time the meaning of the words and subjects of the Law were being hidden from the nations and even the Jewish laity as can be seen in the Dead Sea scrolls, manual of discipline.

"No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law [Torah]."

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.


What Jesus objected to was what he called "the traditions of men" (now known as the Talmud) which people began following after the death of Moses. "For I know that after my death you will turn aside from the way that I taught you to follow [the law]" This is why Jesus said they were slaves to sin. By following the literal letter of the law they had rendered the purpose of the law, to enlighten all people, null and void and could never receive the life promised to everyone who fulfills the laws demands. The consequence for failing to comply is death, the burden of the Law.

The only way for anyone to be without sin is to follow the law in the right way, the way that Moses originally taught which was renewed by Jesus. The only thing about the law that became obsolete after the revelation of Jesus that the words used in the law are figurative and the subjects are hidden, is the wrong way to follow the law, the talmud, the traditions of men, not the law itself.

When Jesus said "it is finished", tetelestai, it was a Greek legal accounting term meaning "debt paid in full" he was not saying anything about the law ending. He had already said that the Law will remain in effect and full force for as long as heaven and earth endure. Matthew 5:17-20.

Jesus said that eternal life is "knowing he who truly is God". This knowledge of God that Jesus held was that God was not a capricious and puerile petty tyrant obsessed with diet fashion and human sexuality. This is a false image of God that does no correspond to any real living being ever in existence, created by the wrong literal interpretation of the words and subjects of Divine law.

The deeper implications of the exact same law reveal that God is a benevolent and loving Father.

Ironically many Christians perpetuate the same perverse literal interpretation of the Divine commands that Jesus died opposing. They have never understood Jesus and do not know God

 

[Frankenstein]

Sure, and if right wing christian republicans have their way women would have no rights, many children will grow up in poverty, be denied an education, be subjected to emotional, physical, and sexual abuse in 'reform school', only to do desperate things and end up in private prisons owned by nefarious political donors, where many will get the death penalty or, if they are lucky, will be given the chance to join the military only to die in a war over oil or poppies.

Law and order! Mandatory minimum sentences! No mercy for criminals! Jesus is coming!

Awesome!

You make it seem as though the woman didn't have the right to not engage in sex, just stop while you are behind.