Holy crap, is the LEFT now beginning to wake up?

[Stormy Daniels]

I'm going allow myself ten (10) seconds of hope here: Maybe the Left easing up on the PC/Identity Politics throttle can motivate some on the Right to ease up on their end of this cultural crap. Maybe some kind of momentum can be created with the few adults left in the room.

That would be a fair hope. And I think there will probably be some tempering of the culture war stuff on the right, as the more savvy politicians will look to capitalize on the next big hog. But I think this stuff mostly sticks to cycles. The Republicans will feel empowered by making cultural inroads with Hispanics and interpret it as a sign that their culture wars are a winning horse. BTW, Americans aren't the only people who can be racist, and there's a lot of racism in Latin America. So the racial tension will only get worse, with Republicans using their token Hispanics to claim they aren't racist, while some of their new Hispanic converts end up really hating black people and occasionally showing it in public. All the closed polling stuff will really flair up, and some GOP members might even start talking about ways to fast track Cuban refugee citizenship, which the Dems will be powerless to oppose, but they'll try anyway, making themselves look like even bigger fools. While the country starts obsessing over a renewed dialogue about white Hispanics vs colored Hispanics, AOC will eventually reach the age of eligibility to run for President and probably become a reverse Donald Trump.

Alright, admittedly this is all fanciful speculation. But you gotta admit it just feels right. Maybe I'm just too pessimistic.

 

[scruffy]

Are they waking up?

I doubt it.

AND, is it too late, are they too dependent on it and attached to it to fix this?

They're dependent on Trump.

Without Trump, they have nothing.

Every thread, Trump Trump Trump

That's why

 

[Stormy Daniels]

They're dependent on Trump.

Without Trump, they have nothing.

Every thread, Trump Trump Trump

The liberal media outlets seem to give this impression. Donald was right about one thing. The news outlets really love him because he's good for ratings.

 

[Billiejeens]

Radical, ultraliberal extremist President Bill Clinton agreed to reasonable ideas like time limits on welfare and the defense of marriage itself when he was in power and thought it would be to his advantage.

Doesn't necessarily mean a change of heart at all.

Yeah
No.
Clinton did and does some icky shit.
He was not extreme politically.
Mr. Newt did make him become better - but -

 

[Billiejeens]

Well that reeked of desperation.

If a miracle happened and the dems held-on by one seat in each house of congress they would yell "mandate" and continue right on with their insidious and anti-American ways.....The same way Tater was supposed to be a unifying POTUS.

No, the dems need to be eradicated root and stem.....Do you let weeds grow in your garden? It's the same thing, lower yields and then the weeds just take over.

doesn't matter
40 to 60 seat House Republican pick up.

 

[Billiejeens]

Clinton stuck a cigar in one and you loons stuck up for him. Lol, you're such a hypocrite.

It's in their DNA. , you know that.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Do you see the difference between the ridiculous freak out over Dave Weigel's retweet of a joke and the legit revulsion over the former Adulterer-in-Chief bragging about grabbing a woman's crotch and getting away with it?

There was nothing to get away with. They let you grab their pussies. Finger Rapist *Joe did not have permission but leftists swept that under the rug because cult comes first.

 

[Mac1958]

That would be a fair hope. And I think there will probably be some tempering of the culture war stuff on the right, as the more savvy politicians will look to capitalize on the next big hog. But I think this stuff mostly sticks to cycles. The Republicans will feel empowered by making cultural inroads with Hispanics and interpret it as a sign that their culture wars are a winning horse. BTW, Americans aren't the only people who can be racist, and there's a lot of racism in Latin America. So the racial tension will only get worse, with Republicans using their token Hispanics to claim they aren't racist, while some of their new Hispanic converts end up really hating black people and occasionally showing it in public. All the closed polling stuff will really flair up, and some GOP members might even start talking about ways to fast track Cuban refugee citizenship, which the Dems will be powerless to oppose, but they'll try anyway, making themselves look like even bigger fools. While the country starts obsessing over a renewed dialogue about white Hispanics vs colored Hispanics, AOC will eventually reach the age of eligibility to run for President and probably become a reverse Donald Trump.

Alright, admittedly this is all fanciful speculation. But you gotta admit it just feels right. Maybe I'm just too pessimistic.

It has been funny -- what the hell, may as well laugh at this stuff now and then -- watching this news about Hispanics moving toward the GOP throw a wrench into the assumptions of both parties.

The Democrats thought they had that group obediently resting in their hip pocket, and that changing demographics meant that the country rapidly moving Left was inevitable. The Right has been watching these awful brown things they thought were barely human suddenly rise as a national force for them electorally.

I sincerely don't understand why more people are not insulted by the behaviors of the ends of the spectrum.

 

[Dragonlady]

First, I'm not getting my hopes up, even though I've been screaming about the Left's cynical weaponization of PC and Identity Politics since I've been on this board (and long before). However:

Interestingly, both the CNN and MSNBC morning shows spent time on how or if the American Left has gone too far with its cultural issues. This, after James Carville, Bill Maher, and even recently Hillary Clinton and Van Jones have been beating the drum on this. Even Al freakin' Sharpton said the Dems are moving from "progressive" to "regressive" (a word I've used about a thousand times here).

We're seeing Hispanics give up and move towards the GOP now. November looks like an ass kicking. Are the Democrats beginning to figure it out, are they starting to realize that they've been concentrating on the wrong issues for too long, losing the working class vote over "defund the police", reparations, destroying businesses that don't want to bake a cake, and trans parades in grade schools?

Are they waking up? AND, is it too late, are they too dependent on it and attached to it to fix this?

I think you've missed the target but hit the tree. Democrats have been letting Republicans control the narrative and they're reversing that trend now.

The Democratic Party has never had a platform of "Defunding the Police" - that's a Republican lie. So are "open borders", and "You didn't build that". They're blaming Biden for high gas prices and inflation, which is shocking because what they're saying is that Biden should be forcing American corporations to charge less. Isn't controlling wages or prices the very "socialism" that the right has been decrying all these years?

What Democrats are doing is changing the conversation from the culture wars and anti-democratic rhetoric of the right wing billionaire media, and focusing on the dinner table issues that the Democrats really are dealing with.

Democrats haven't been pushing "identity politics", they're pushing back for the minority rights which Republicans are attacking and using as wedge issues.

Republicans are attacking the education system around CRT, which isn't even an issue. They're just making up divisive crap to attack Democrats with. Democrats are pushing back with the reality of what their programs are doing for ALL Americans.

 

[Billiejeens]

Everyone has prejudices. The problem is some people just scream louder when their toes get stepped on without a legitimate reason to be offended.

It is useless to respond with sense to ideas that are totally false and fake and senseless.
No one can have a meaningful conversation with someone like Berg.
There is literally no agreed upon place to start.

 

[BluesLegend]

God is punishing Dems for their depravity, RIP Dem party.

 

[Billiejeens]

I told you the media wasn't liberal. It's certainly not speaking for us. You think it's liberal because it's not always speaking for you?

Most of the time it's not what they are saying but what they aren't saying that makes them NOT liberal anymore. But you'll continue to believe it's only lying to you and always represents us. It's a corporation. Mostly 7 big corporations. They control all the media. And they are helping to pull this country to the right.

Where is the outrage and mobilization of pro choice women? I'm not seeing enough on them. Why isn't the media defending Biden as much as I do?

No one is as insane as you?

 

[Billiejeens]

Ashley's Diary

Compared to Biden, Clinton seems almost normal.

 

[Billiejeens]

The trouble with you is that all of your positions on the issues align with about 1% of the voters on a good day

Everyone can't be involved.
There have to be fringe people.

 

[Billiejeens]

There was nothing to get away with. They let you grab their pussies. Finger Rapist *Joe did not have permission but leftists swept that under the rug because cult comes first.

Impossible to penetrate his bubble.
Facts literally have no affect.

 

[Mac1958]

I think you've missed the target but hit the tree. Democrats have been letting Republicans control the narrative and they're reversing that trend now.

The Democratic Party has never had a platform of "Defunding the Police" - that's a Republican lie. So are "open borders", and "You didn't build that". They're blaming Biden for high gas prices and inflation, which is shocking because what they're saying is that Biden should be forcing American corporations to charge less. Isn't controlling wages or prices the very "socialism" that the right has been decrying all these years?

What Democrats are doing is changing the conversation from the culture wars and anti-democratic rhetoric of the right wing billionaire media, and focusing on the dinner table issues that the Democrats really are dealing with.

Democrats haven't been pushing "identity politics", they're pushing back for the minority rights which Republicans are attacking and using as wedge issues.

Republicans are attacking the education system around CRT, which isn't even an issue. They're just making up divisive crap to attack Democrats with. Democrats are pushing back with the reality of what their programs are doing for ALL Americans.

This goes to a point I made earlier in the thread, post 36.

I often can't tell what the point of various actions and strategies is supposed to be. The tactics I have seen the Left use, screaming RACIST and HOMOPHOBE and anything else at people who dare to voice an opinion -- outside of increasing the animosity felt by the person and motivating them to vote even more, exactly what is that supposed to accomplish? What does the Left expect is going to happen when some of their own scream DEFUND THE POLICE?

It seems to me that it's not just about the goal. It's about how one goes about achieving the goal. The way the Left is addressing the cultural issues is turning people off, including minorities the Dems thought were loyal. That just appears to be a fact. So NOW what?

 

[scruffy]

I think you've missed the target but hit the tree. Democrats have been letting Republicans control the narrative and they're reversing that trend now.

The Democratic Party has never had a platform of "Defunding the Police" - that's a Republican lie. So are "open borders", and "You didn't build that". They're blaming Biden for high gas prices and inflation, which is shocking because what they're saying is that Biden should be forcing American corporations to charge less. Isn't controlling wages or prices the very "socialism" that the right has been decrying all these years?

What Democrats are doing is changing the conversation from the culture wars and anti-democratic rhetoric of the right wing billionaire media, and focusing on the dinner table issues that the Democrats really are dealing with.

Democrats haven't been pushing "identity politics", they're pushing back for the minority rights which Republicans are attacking and using as wedge issues.

Republicans are attacking the education system around CRT, which isn't even an issue. They're just making up divisive crap to attack Democrats with. Democrats are pushing back with the reality of what their programs are doing for ALL Americans.

Ah ha ha ha ha

Democrats walking it back. ^^^

ALREADY.

I love it. They're bigly on the defensive.

Don't buy their bullshit. Crush them. Ride them out of town on a rail

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Compared to Biden, Clinton seems almost normal.

Clinton only fucked 16 year old girls, so he's no worse than Bill Gates

 

[berg80]

In other words, in your view, Obama was telling a bald faced lie and Clinton knew he was lying and said nothing about it to correct the record.

Hell of a defense, I'll give you that.

I told you what my view is. It's unambiguous. But I do understand why you felt the need to misrepresent it.

 

[Independent thinker]

First, I'm not getting my hopes up, even though I've been screaming about the Left's cynical weaponization of PC and Identity Politics since I've been on this board (and long before). However:

Interestingly, both the CNN and MSNBC morning shows spent time on how or if the American Left has gone too far with its cultural issues. This, after James Carville, Bill Maher, and even recently Hillary Clinton and Van Jones have been beating the drum on this. Even Al freakin' Sharpton said the Dems are moving from "progressive" to "regressive" (a word I've used about a thousand times here).

We're seeing Hispanics give up and move towards the GOP now. November looks like an ass kicking. Are the Democrats beginning to figure it out, are they starting to realize that they've been concentrating on the wrong issues for too long, losing the working class vote over "defund the police", reparations, destroying businesses that don't want to bake a cake, and trans parades in grade schools?

Are they waking up? AND, is it too late, are they too dependent on it and attached to it to fix this?

You've still got your core Progressives trying to explain that all Democratic losses are because they have failed to go far enough to the left. That's what they'll be saying after the midterms, we lost because of Manchin and Sinema stopping us from what the voters wanted.